Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

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  • Flyerr23
    Rookie
    • Sep 2017
    • 36

    #1

    Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

    Or are all the players potential 100% accurate?
  • BigOscar
    MVP
    • May 2016
    • 2971

    #2
    Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

    The potentials are accurate but players don't always (rarely in fact) reach them, so yes, plenty of "top prospects" don't pan out. Particularly those ones with low starting hitting stats, it's very tough for them to get great as they just struggle to progress quickly enough

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    • countryboy
      Growing pains
      • Sep 2003
      • 52799

      #3
      Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

      There are also players who have a potential of say "D" or "C" that play beyond their expectations. I've seen a few draft picks potentials increase due to them playing so well. It's never been more than a letter grade that I've noticed, but it is nice that potentials aren't set in stone.
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      • Flyerr23
        Rookie
        • Sep 2017
        • 36

        #4
        Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

        Originally posted by countryboy
        There are also players who have a potential of say "D" or "C" that play beyond their expectations. I've seen a few draft picks potentials increase due to them playing so well. It's never been more than a letter grade that I've noticed, but it is nice that potentials aren't set in stone.



        Oh, really? That's awesome. I was hoping this was the case. I enjoy a little bit of risk in drafting.

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        • zippy2212
          MVP
          • Jun 2008
          • 1095

          #5
          Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

          I've seen this happen quite a bit. I've seen players that were B prospects who never really improved in 9 years and C's who have progressed to B's in only a couple of years. It's pretty cool.

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          • millertime98
            Rookie
            • Apr 2016
            • 198

            #6
            Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

            When it comes to Blue Chips:
            I've found that (depending on your settings) very few pitchers are "Ace" material. They usually have a lot of struggles on the way up. Of course, I had to start doing 30 team control because I couldn't stand seeing teams draft a player at 18 years old and have him the rotation the next season and he never panned out because of the obvious struggles that ensued.
            I've had a few pitchers I've drafted in my many rebuilds that have become number 2 in the rotation but rarely a stud number 1. I have had a few position players win ROY and later MVP.
            If player is slotted to be in the MLB in a few years and is already a 60-70 overall, he'll likely pan out if you take your time with him. If they are ETA years down the road and a 30-50 overall, they likely will be in your trade plans around age 26.

            Which brings up the "should I go by the trade value meter or what I know is legit?" question I've struggled with in the past, but I digress.

            In short (too late), yes.

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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #7
              Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

              I know I've had a few A potential prospects and just flat out couldn't play well with them. I'm probably to blame for screwing up quite a few potential HoF careers lol so if you dont perform well with them, they'll bust. I know thats quite a different thing than simming their milb games and then they bust, but thats the way it usually happens to me when it does.
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              • tessl
                All Star
                • Apr 2007
                • 5685

                #8
                Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                I guarantee there are busts - or to be specific the player attributes only vaguely similar to what the player turns out to be after the draft.

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                • millertime98
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 198

                  #9
                  Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                  It should be noted that the way they make some prospects A level potentials are based upon their attributes that are projected to reach "well above average" or "elite".

                  This can be frustrating because there have been several position players that were 30's or 40's hitters but have the potential in the 90's for speed, base running, stealing and the always important...drag bunting.

                  While I love the detail in this game, I wish they'd get rid of the drag bunting all together. I think they got rid of the easily accessible stat of avg vs LHP and RHP.

                  So, there have been several times I've drafted a player who is B, C, or even D potential over a higher graded player because he has a higher potential (or even current) attributes in the categories that are important to me.

                  For example: In my last draft I was between to LHRP in the 4th round. One had a potential of a an 80 rating in velocity. The other was 65. However, the higher velocity guy was rated 40 points lower in clutch than the soft tosser. I went with the soft tosser because he was more clutch and threw a sinker and I love ground ball double plays. He was a potential of D but is dominating at AAA and will be in the pen for me next year.

                  Side note: I wish they'd go back to the old rating system. I enjoy the realism but not sure why a 20-80 is better in real life or in the game. I'd rather know my guy is going to top out around 88 mph vs having to project what a 65-70 rating is. Just give me the facts.

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                  • tessl
                    All Star
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5685

                    #10
                    Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                    Originally posted by millertime98
                    It should be noted that the way they make some prospects A level potentials are based upon their attributes that are projected to reach "well above average" or "elite".

                    This can be frustrating because there have been several position players that were 30's or 40's hitters but have the potential in the 90's for speed, base running, stealing and the always important...drag bunting.

                    While I love the detail in this game, I wish they'd get rid of the drag bunting all together. I think they got rid of the easily accessible stat of avg vs LHP and RHP.

                    So, there have been several times I've drafted a player who is B, C, or even D potential over a higher graded player because he has a higher potential (or even current) attributes in the categories that are important to me.

                    For example: In my last draft I was between to LHRP in the 4th round. One had a potential of a an 80 rating in velocity. The other was 65. However, the higher velocity guy was rated 40 points lower in clutch than the soft tosser. I went with the soft tosser because he was more clutch and threw a sinker and I love ground ball double plays. He was a potential of D but is dominating at AAA and will be in the pen for me next year.

                    Side note: I wish they'd go back to the old rating system. I enjoy the realism but not sure why a 20-80 is better in real life or in the game. I'd rather know my guy is going to top out around 88 mph vs having to project what a 65-70 rating is. Just give me the facts.
                    I agree. I believe SDS changed it because some people were complaining the draft was too accurate. My belief is with only 6 or 7 rounds in the draft and the international draft being rolled into the June draft there simply aren't enough draft picks for it to be this inaccurate.

                    Stamina for starting pitchers is critical because stamina declines automatically by -1 per year. The prospect needs to be mid to upper 80's just to have a chance of being a 6 inning pitcher by the time he hits the majors. We need to know what that number is when we draft the guy. To be honest the draft doesn't produce enough starting pitchers who will be effective pitchers 10 years into the franchise. I plan on carrying over my franchise and perhaps appropriate changes will be made. The devs do make an attempt to fix stuff but I'm sure they have a long list in franchise.

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                    • TheWarmWind
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 2620

                      #11
                      Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                      In my 2014 carry over (now 2020) I've seen both busts and surprises.

                      I've seen high risk players pay off, but more often never make it. I have a guy who I drafted 99 potential 43 OVR. He's now a 96 OVR at the age of 25. But other teams left him for me in the draft due to the risk.

                      I've seen "sure thing" players fail. I had a guy who was 93 Pot 76 OVR fail to improve for 4 years. He's still 76 OVR, and has only managed to trade attributes.

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                      • Braves854life
                        Just started!
                        • Feb 2019
                        • 1

                        #12
                        Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                        I can’t post my own thread to ask but i am a newer player to the game and I am getting the 2019 version so i am just trying to construct a roster but I have questions. In franchise mode I have read all the topics that were on the first 10 pages, but I didn’t come across these questions.

                        1) I read that International Free Agents are included in the draft with other players, but is there a minimum age that is eligible for the draft? Most international players sign at 16 or the later ages when they come over from Japan, korea, etc. I guess I am really asking is if they have to be 18 before the day of the draft to be in the draft pool?

                        2) How many people can you draft in the draft?

                        3) Is it possible in the franchise mode to play without the salaries on? I mean like no payroll restrictions? Does this change the way that you sign free agents and contracts or how you get to draft?

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                        • millertime98
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 198

                          #13
                          Re: Are there "busts" in the rookie draft in The Show?

                          Originally posted by Braves854life
                          I can’t post my own thread to ask but i am a newer player to the game and I am getting the 2019 version so i am just trying to construct a roster but I have questions. In franchise mode I have read all the topics that were on the first 10 pages, but I didn’t come across these questions.

                          1) I read that International Free Agents are included in the draft with other players, but is there a minimum age that is eligible for the draft? Most international players sign at 16 or the later ages when they come over from Japan, korea, etc. I guess I am really asking is if they have to be 18 before the day of the draft to be in the draft pool?

                          2) How many people can you draft in the draft?

                          3) Is it possible in the franchise mode to play without the salaries on? I mean like no payroll restrictions? Does this change the way that you sign free agents and contracts or how you get to draft?
                          1) Draft eligible players are 18-24.

                          2) Last year they implemented the Competitive Balance Rounds (for teams that weren't good) so those teams could draft around 8-10 players. Usually, it is a 7 Round draft (draft picks are not part of trades).

                          3) When you start a franchise there is a screen (in '18 at least) that you can only see once. You decide about whether or not to have salaries on (for the duration of your franchise) GM contracts on (you get fired if you don't meet them after 3 years) etc. It doesn't change how you get to draft but if you have salaries on your free agent signings could be affected.

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