Franchise Mode is Piece of a Bigger Picture Says San Diego Studios

[Armor and Sword]

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The dev's dont interact here anymore because they've largely abandoned the mode that 95% of us use for almost 5 iterations now.

They are not stupid. They know we are a franchise community. Why consistently post on a forum looking for feedback when they know what we want. If we were a DD focused forum they'd be here all the time. Not to mention in the last 5 years there social media presence has taken over as the main form of communication.

You just seem to always defend SDS like you are Leonidas of the Spartans. It's in near every thread. Constructive criticism is okay. After all we are here to talk about the game. Not to please the devs so they can comment on a post once a week.

This misconception they have abandoned the mode is exactly that. Preception is everything. And if they do not add what “you” want....they abandoned the mode.

Since they moved to PS4 they added player morale, player quirks, 2 more presentation themes, dynamic storylines in-game, better stat swipes, better crowd swells, dynamic attendance, better weather effects, rain delays, in season contract extensions, better retirement logic, trade logic, real time replay, better camera angles, phases re-skin and a far better UI (I love the new look and it is far easier to navigate around franchise mode big time).

The perception is they have done absolutely nothing and it is simply false. They just have not done much in terms of building off a lot of these additions. And that is a valid concern. But the issue I have with some of the posts is the tone and vitriol and a few have a hyperbole and vitriol agenda that makes it’s way into every single thread on this general forum and it is just ridiculous.


Now......since they made MTO the new hyperbole is we are going to lose 30 team control, we are going to lose franchise mode, it is going the way of EA and Madden. They are trying to hook you into gambling, card modes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Lord man. Get off your moral high horse and get over it. People love card collecting modes. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. This is America. This is capitalism. Just get over yourself already with this rhetoric and stop telling me how to spend my money. It’s none of your ****ing business. And if you don’t like all this.....don't spend you money on it.

All bunk. These guys are well aware of how loved those features (30 team control) are for us franchise heads. MTO was not created for us. It was created for the casual players. Thank your druthers they understand how daunting “our” franchise mode is and how cumbersome it can be to a casual player and let’s be frank......13-14 year olds today are far different gamers than we were folks.....so ****ing get over it and stop being so damn old and sounding like our parents did when we were kids.

We are playing video games and the fact we are, means we still have a piece of our youth. So embrace it. Enjoy it. We have a great game. A highly functional game, in fact IMO the best console sports game ever made.

Criticize, suggest, make SDS aware we need fixes, we want more features, better gameplay (and speaking of gameplay the advancements of this from 17 to now 19 has been amazing) That is all very important in helping develop a game. And I have never disagreed with doing just that. I do it myself a lot. I want more too. Depth, more immersive features, better logic, bigger rosters, international free agents, better scouting and drafting, relocation, etc etc etc etc.

We all know the history of this game. Incremental changes. They had one big year where franchise was really revamped (2009). They need to build off the foundation they have in place. And that is the biggest bone of contention for most of us.

Where CB, Chase and few others are getting annoyed is how some here communicate this.

Grow up.

[BatsareBugs]

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I will have to say, shouldn't Molina not have any options left?

[King Gro23]

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I have a fear this is where it is heading 30 team control will be taken out. when you look at this MTO mode. it;s got EA with their CFM crap written all over it. when they killed franchise and brought that in. they took 32 team control out. that was 6 years ago. there is a way to have 32 team control in madden now but that requires spending hours beyond hours of creating 32 team profiles then having to spend more hours re order depth charts making the transactions needed. etc and then half the damm free agents VANISH from the game. That mode is designed for online single player because of 1 profile. that is why making 32 damm profiles is a time wasting joke. it only took then 5 years to fix the Long snapper even being able to be on the depth chart issue.

Baseball games in the past didn't have 30 team control it was rare to see. MLB the show was one of the first back then they listened to us and put it in the game. if the gaming industry is heading this battle royal fortnite bandwagon. this can all take a back seat.

While franchise on MLB the show has small updates. it still doesn't have it's fixes we have been asking for. like the playoff rosters. or import a player option. (it is there is is grayed out so it's never been put in)they don't even bother to try and make fixes for issues for years. instead lets create Retro mode lets create M2O. lets not fix our current modes.

Think about all the gameplay changes... it was all because of online play in DD nothing to do with franchise. players cheesing running between bases. etc I never had this issue against the CPU. all the fixes were for that.

Here's my take while everybody is up in arms I see a much bigger picture. I will say I do enjoy franchise but I am a RTTS dominant player. I dont play 162 games I simulate often. I may play a month and sim the next. That's just the franchise person I am. I cannot complete a 30 team chise.

While it does blow some features aren't in I'm definitely aware.

In a nutshell. SDS understands the mass majority of play time are in RTTS & DD. With franchise being in the bottom 3rd of most utilized mode. Now I know they have put it off.

M2O is smart! They are going to be adding depth to so many other modes in the future. How do they add in (in one cycle) the ability to have season preview and storylines if we the user have been pushing towards 30 team control? It had to be implemented first in a locked down mode to see how its effect let alone to get some of that content code in the game.

Rtts has personalities and quirks this is a whole new robust chemistry morale feature. It is in rtts because that is the leading mode of mlb the show series. Most of your audience will be getting hands on giving feedback on this new chemistry morale settings.DONT FORGET THEY have the playable trainings now which could also go into franchise and scouting if you integrate a system to tie the Bowman prospect (which they skipped in stream because of the goodies couldn't reveal)


I'm not familiar with DD.

But this is all pushing positive for the new console push and a new wave for the new console. While franchise lacking they added real salaries for feedback as to how that is going to work so they know how to attack next gen.

I'd say in the future. Franchise will have storylines, full player chemistry revamped, headliner moments option. Real and functioning fully finances. Now if they add in custom draft classes or a new scouting tool which is realistic and tie in all these other features it all ties into franchise will will take an insane leap

Think big picture. You can't put these things in franchise as implemented first year features when only 25% of gamers actually dedicate real amount of times to franchise. It's not ideal for them or us


Stay woke. I have faith

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[MrArlingtonBeach]

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We all know the history of this game. Incremental changes. They had one big year where franchise was really revamped (2009). They need to build off the foundation they have in place. And that is the biggest bone of contention for most of us.

Regardless of anyone's thoughts and opinions about Franchise Mode's past, present, or future state, I just realized that 2009 was 10 years ago...and yikes, time sure flies. MLB 09: The Show was the first one I had on PS3, so now I just feel old.

[Mercury112491]

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This misconception they have abandoned the mode is exactly that. Preception is everything. And if they do not add what “you” want....they abandoned the mode.

Since they moved to PS4 they added player morale, player quirks, 2 more presentation themes, dynamic storylines in-game, better stat swipes, better crowd swells, dynamic attendance, better weather effects, rain delays, in season contract extensions, better retirement logic, trade logic, real time replay, better camera angles, phases re-skin and a far better UI (I love the new look and it is far easier to navigate around franchise mode big time).

The perception is they have done absolutely nothing and it is simply false. They just have not done much in terms of building off a lot of these additions. And that is a valid concern. But the issue I have with some of the posts is the tone and vitriol and a few have a hyperbole and vitriol agenda that makes it’s way into every single thread on this general forum and it is just ridiculous.


Now......since they made MTO the new hyperbole is we are going to lose 30 team control, we are going to lose franchise mode, it is going the way of EA and Madden. They are trying to hook you into gambling, card modes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Lord man. Get off your moral high horse and get over it. People love card collecting modes. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. This is America. This is capitalism. Just get over yourself already with this rhetoric and stop telling me how to spend my money. It’s none of your ****ing business. And if you don’t like all this.....don't spend you money on it.

All bunk. These guys are well aware of how loved those features (30 team control) are for us franchise heads. MTO was not created for us. It was created for the casual players. Thank your druthers they understand how daunting “our” franchise mode is and how cumbersome it can be to a casual player and let’s be frank......13-14 year olds today are far different gamers than we were folks.....so ****ing get over it and stop being so damn old and sounding like our parents did when we were kids.

We are playing video games and the fact we are, means we still have a piece of our youth. So embrace it. Enjoy it. We have a great game. A highly functional game, in fact IMO the best console sports game ever made.

Criticize, suggest, make SDS aware we need fixes, we want more features, better gameplay (and speaking of gameplay the advancements of this from 17 to now 19 has been amazing) That is all very important in helping develop a game. And I have never disagreed with doing just that. I do it myself a lot. I want more too. Depth, more immersive features, better logic, bigger rosters, international free agents, better scouting and drafting, relocation, etc etc etc etc.

We all know the history of this game. Incremental changes. They had one big year where franchise was really revamped (2009). They need to build off the foundation they have in place. And that is the biggest bone of contention for most of us.

Where CB, Chase and few others are getting annoyed is how some here communicate this.

Grow up.

This should should be stickied to the top of the forum and Mods should delete any non constructive criticism posts about the subject. It’s taking over every inch of the board. Enough.


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[coach422001]

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I will have to say, shouldn't Molina not have any options left?

If he has not been sent down at all he wouldn't use them so it is possible he still has options left.

[KnightTemplar]

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This should should be stickied to the top of the forum and Mods should delete any non constructive criticism posts about the subject. It’s taking over every inch of the board. Enough.


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Uh, no. Look there was a lot of vitriol (Armors own word) in his own post, so who is right, who is wrong? Isn't there an ignore button if you don't want to see what certain members post. Seems like its mostly the same people who post their annoyance over and over, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe some posts go too far with the critique, just as some people who jump on them go too far, knee jerk "well this thread has gone to *ell" over the slightest criticism. Or, caveats, of "I should expect that on this forum". Even those comments are disruptive, no?

The internet is not the best place for understanding nuance, nor is it the best place for diplomacy with some.

Some guys have zero problems with the game, let them rule the boards? Some people have all kinds of problems with the game, let them rule? I guess you could say that if you don't like the feeling here, move on, but then we'd have no forum.

Grain of salt. Thick skin.

[Rob_NYY]

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Reads like damage control. Every post I've read on Facebook and Twitter has the comments full of people complaining about Franchise mode and the lack of attention they have been giving it. Hopefully, the firestorm makes them realize just how outdated and stale Franchise mode has become and they focus on it for '20.

Contract extensions are a great addition, and I love being able to front-load or back-load contracts, but it's simply not enough.

- The entire scouting/drafting system needs to be thrown out and rebuilt.

- Add Single A teams. Even if the games are not playable, at least make it so we can assign players to the teams and set lineups/rotations and then see their simulated stats. Just having them sitting around not playing games and not seeing how they are playing and progressing is silly.

- Make generic Coaches and Managers editable. Seeing coaches/managers with the wrong uniform number is a pet peeve of mine. I also always play as the Yankees and having coaches with facial hair breaks immersion.

- Add to contract negotiations. The way it is now is boring and simplistic, and sometimes too random. You could have the best offer, the "interest" circle full, and the player will randomly sign somewhere else for less years, less money, and stuck behind a player at their position who is better than them. The logic needs to be adjusted. And maybe have messages from the player/agent saying something like, "We like your offer, but team X is offering this, so increase the years/money to this and we have a deal." Or "add a player option for X amount of money and we have a deal." Things like that will make the offseason more fun and immersive. Instead of making an offer, simulating to the next day and hoping for the best.

- Do something similar to the above with trades. Make them more like negotiations rather than just making an offer and hoping for them to accept. Messages from rival GMs and such.

- Update playoff eligibility rules. This has been wrong for years now and has to finally be fixed.

- Rotating schedules! Please, find a way to finally get this in. If it's too much to have the cpu randomly generate correct schedules, make it so year two of Franchise uses the 2018 schedule. Year three uses 2017. Then year four goes back to the 2019 schedule. And rotate so on and so forth.

These are just some of the things off the top of my head that could be added to make Franchise feel fresh and exciting again.

[Mercury112491]

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Uh, no. Look there was a lot of vitriol (Armors own word) in his own post, so who is right, who is wrong? Isn't there an ignore button if you don't want to see what certain members post. Seems like its mostly the same people who post their annoyance over and over, maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe some posts go too far with the critique, just as some people who jump on them go too far, knee jerk "well this thread has gone to *ell" over the slightest criticism. Or, caveats, of "I should expect that on this forum". Even those comments are disruptive, no?

The internet is not the best place for understanding nuance, nor is it the best place for diplomacy with some.

Some guys have zero problems with the game, let them rule the boards? Some people have all kinds of problems with the game, let them rule? I guess you could say that if you don't like the feeling here, move on, but then we'd have no forum.

Grain of salt. Thick skin.

If you can’t tell the difference between the fed up tone in armors post and the angry bitching just to bitch tone in the posts he was referring to then I don’t know what to tell you. Also if you read what I said carefully I said that the unconstructive posts should be removed. I said absolutely nothing about no allowing discussion or useful criticism. Nor do I have an issue with it occurring in the threads dedicated to the subject. But it shouldn’t be on me and other users to have to mod our own board and ignore users who pop into a RttS or DD thread with “Franchise is being ignored, this mode is killing the game grumble grumble”. Otherwise whats the point of threads? Just make the entire board one big community thread.


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[tessl]

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I was a huge fan of Destiny 1. It was for the hardcore folks much like franchise is for the "The Show". When Destiny 2 came out in 2017, it catered way too much to the casual gamer and was littered with microtransactions and subsequently alienated the people that actually made the game as popular as it was, including me. This is the same feeling I get with the way The Show is headed with each new release. I don't even play franchise but I feel for the people that feel like they are being left by the wayside. I get it. As a developer, you always want to be able to do different things to make money for your publisher. At the same time, you have to be able to improve on what made The Show great, including updates to modes that are not as popular as the "main modes". Give player options. You will never be able to satisfy everyone but you can satisfy the majority if you try your best and keep the majority of the modes updated and refreshed.

No doubt microtransactions are a factor but my impression is the devs themselves are more interested in the "casual" modes and project that onto their customers. I see nothing about franchise which is "hardcore" or complicated.

I own a game called Elite Dangerous. If you want a hardcore game check that out.

[Impetuous65]

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The moral high ground is crazy in here, telling people how they should respond, just because you don't like how it was said or the percieve tone. I don't like the condescending tone or the moral high ground, people have a gripe and they have expressed their grievance.

Capitulate or say it how I want you to say it?

[KnightTemplar]

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If you can’t tell the difference between the fed up tone in armors post and the angry bitching just to bitch tone in the posts he was referring to then I don’t know what to tell you. Also if you read what I said carefully I said that the unconstructive posts should be removed. I said absolutely nothing about no allowing discussion or useful criticism. Nor do I have an issue with it occurring in the threads dedicated to the subject. But it shouldn’t be on me and other users to have to mod our own board and ignore users who pop into a RttS or DD thread with “Franchise is being ignored, this mode is killing the game grumble grumble”. Otherwise whats the point of threads? Just make the entire board one big community thread.



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"If you can't tell the difference..." Easy, maybe we also shouldn't take things too personally. It was obvious he's "fed up", I like what he's done on his own for the game, but geez, it does come from both sides. It would be nice if everyone could be diplomatic, but it's the internet. Some brave people sit at their keyboards and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. It's in the hands of the moderators.

[King Gro23]

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This misconception they have abandoned the mode is exactly that. Preception is everything. And if they do not add what “you” want....they abandoned the mode.

Since they moved to PS4 they added player morale, player quirks, 2 more presentation themes, dynamic storylines in-game, better stat swipes, better crowd swells, dynamic attendance, better weather effects, rain delays, in season contract extensions, better retirement logic, trade logic, real time replay, better camera angles, phases re-skin and a far better UI (I love the new look and it is far easier to navigate around franchise mode big time).

The perception is they have done absolutely nothing and it is simply false. They just have not done much in terms of building off a lot of these additions. And that is a valid concern. But the issue I have with some of the posts is the tone and vitriol and a few have a hyperbole and vitriol agenda that makes it’s way into every single thread on this general forum and it is just ridiculous.


Now......since they made MTO the new hyperbole is we are going to lose 30 team control, we are going to lose franchise mode, it is going the way of EA and Madden. They are trying to hook you into gambling, card modes blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Lord man. Get off your moral high horse and get over it. People love card collecting modes. People are free to do whatever they want with their money. This is America. This is capitalism. Just get over yourself already with this rhetoric and stop telling me how to spend my money. It’s none of your ****ing business. And if you don’t like all this.....don't spend you money on it.

All bunk. These guys are well aware of how loved those features (30 team control) are for us franchise heads. MTO was not created for us. It was created for the casual players. Thank your druthers they understand how daunting “our” franchise mode is and how cumbersome it can be to a casual player and let’s be frank......13-14 year olds today are far different gamers than we were folks.....so ****ing get over it and stop being so damn old and sounding like our parents did when we were kids.

We are playing video games and the fact we are, means we still have a piece of our youth. So embrace it. Enjoy it. We have a great game. A highly functional game, in fact IMO the best console sports game ever made.

Criticize, suggest, make SDS aware we need fixes, we want more features, better gameplay (and speaking of gameplay the advancements of this from 17 to now 19 has been amazing) That is all very important in helping develop a game. And I have never disagreed with doing just that. I do it myself a lot. I want more too. Depth, more immersive features, better logic, bigger rosters, international free agents, better scouting and drafting, relocation, etc etc etc etc.

We all know the history of this game. Incremental changes. They had one big year where franchise was really revamped (2009). They need to build off the foundation they have in place. And that is the biggest bone of contention for most of us.

Where CB, Chase and few others are getting annoyed is how some here communicate this.

Grow up.

I'm not sure why people feel so entitled to complain about getting money's worth. Its 60$ that's a tank of gas and a lunch.

Most and to be constant in here on the boards reading about a game for months on end...

It's a subtle piece of change. If your breaking a budget to buy the show then end up mad because they are recalibrating the game for the next gen then just dont buy it.

It's like having 70$ to your name and going out to eat with your wife and she has money but you really can't afford to make that move.

Once again as mentioned above they have produce very high quality gameplay more consistent than any sports title arguably. And as I previously mentioned.

I believe it's all to recalibrate and revamp franchise with the tools from other modes for 20, next gen 21?

Then online chose should return fully fleshed. With armors mentioned improvements and my forecast.



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[Archie56]

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I'm sorry Nick but you would have been better off staying quite on this one.



There mere fact that can claim to be in touch with the OS community and then turn around and say franchise needs to be more appealing to casual players shows how out of touch you are with the OS community. Don't make claims you can't back up.



You say you have a long list of things that you want to improve in franchise, but you're too afraid to say anything specific. I get it, you don't want to make a commitment in case it can't be kept, and if this were 3 years ago I would have given you the benefit of the doubt. But after 3 years of lip service for franchise, I cannot take that claim on faith any longer. I need something tangible before that faith is restored.



This whole situation reeks of peddling to the new consumer while selling falsehoods to the faithful. This whole interview conjures nothing but negative emotions in me.



The cherry on top of the FU sundae though was calling Franchise just a piece of a bigger picture. We don't want or need your empty platitudes.

SDS is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If he stays quiet, then people complain that they're not saying anything and not being responsive. And now that they've come out and made an attempt at talking about the negative feedback they've gotten about franchise, people are bashing it. I get people's frustrations, I do. But for people to come out and say some of the rude and nasty things they've said about the dev team is ridiculous. They are human beings also

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[jeffy777]

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To me gameplay and presentation are king, and that’s what keeps me coming back to franchise to grind those 162 games. Sure I’d love to see more off-the-field stuff revamped and added, but to me that is secondary. If it has to be one or the other, I’m personally glad they’re prioritizing gameplay/presentation.