HDR on or Off?

[TheWarmWind]

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That's what I was getting at, Oleds do not meet the HDR standard you can get from LCDs due to weak peak nits.

The HDR standard is a litany of poor planning and forethought anyways, and should probably get ignored. You can get the best rating possible with only 2 lighting zones. Makes the standard completely and utterly useless when it comes to measuring the quality of a TVs HDR implementation. At least with OLED you know that pixels are self-illuminating.

Honestly it's a toss up between OLED and LCD as to which is better. It's more the room you are using it in and what you are using it for. Gamers want faster framerates, and faster pixel response times, so yeah in general they are more likely to be happier with a non-OLED display.

OLEDs are also a bad choice for gamers due to the chance that HUD elements can burn into the screen.

Still pisses me off to this day that plasma died despite being the superior technology just because the first generation had burn in issues and it killed the brand. We are now several generations into OLED with its burn in issues and it's still an industry leader. WTF.

My old 2nd gen plasma lasted for 12 years before any burn in BTW.

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[ParisB]

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That's what I was getting at, Oleds do not meet the HDR standard you can get from LCDs due to weak peak nits.

You missed the point but oh well. They do meet the HDR standard, and like I said their contrast is infinitely better due to perfect black levels.

[Vercingetirex]

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The trade offs for gaming are not worth getting an OLED. Burn in being the biggest issue, which impacts gaming greatly. Black crushing is another common OLED issue, losing detail in darker scenes. And as I have pointed out, they cannot get close to the peak brightness of LCDs. Not worth their price point, especially if you game on it often.

[ParisB]

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The trade offs for gaming are not worth getting an OLED. Burn in being the biggest issue, which impacts gaming greatly. Black crushing is another common OLED issue, losing detail in darker scenes. And as I have pointed out, they cannot get close to the peak brightness of LCDs. Not worth their price point, especially if you game on it often.

I own both and game on both, and disagree. I can list potential cons of LCD too.

A great TV delivers great performance (HDR), period. Whether it come from backlighting or self emitting pixels.

[Drty_Windshield]

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As an owner of a handful of 1080p Tv's, (2) 4K Tv's one being a QLED and a 1440p gaming monitor, the only things you really need to worry about are proper color calibration, input lag and grey to grey pixel response times. The panel type, HDR, local dimming etc. is all icing on the cake. None of the special features matter if the display isn't set up properly and or if it's not adequate for gaming purposes.

[Jatt96]

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I own both and game on both, and disagree. I can list potential cons of LCD too.

A great TV delivers great performance (HDR), period. Whether it come from backlighting or self emitting pixels.

I completely disagree with this. Had an OLED and returned it, especially with the ABL issue.

Until the OLED ABL technology gets better, it's pretty much a no-go for gaming (unless you play nothing but dark games).

[JHedges2]

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Admittedly I haven't read through entire thread, so I apologize if this has been addressed--but I recently bought a new 4K TV (LG - 55" Class - LED - UM6910PUC Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR). I have an older PS4 (early 2014).

When I first turned on HDR for FIFA 20, and now MLBTS20--the games (menus specifically) seem to be very laggy. Is this due to the PS4 (not being Pro) just incapable of handling HDR? Also--a friend advised of a "Premium HDR" cable? Never heard of this. Should I get one, or--given that I don't have a Pro--it won't matter?

Thanks in advance!

[ThrowBack]

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Just want to throw this out there, I have an OLED E8 and when playing the show HDR turned on during day games, game is beautiful, but during night games, the game dims randomly, then will brighten back up, then rinse repeat. So annoying.

Anyone else have this issue? Any way to fix this? Happens with Madden 19 as well during night games.

I had this issue with my C9. Turning off "Dynamic Contrast" fixed it for me.

[PVarck31]

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Admittedly I haven't read through entire thread, so I apologize if this has been addressed--but I recently bought a new 4K TV (LG - 55" Class - LED - UM6910PUC Series - 2160p - Smart - 4K UHD TV with HDR). I have an older PS4 (early 2014).

When I first turned on HDR for FIFA 20, and now MLBTS20--the games (menus specifically) seem to be very laggy. Is this due to the PS4 (not being Pro) just incapable of handling HDR? Also--a friend advised of a "Premium HDR" cable? Never heard of this. Should I get one, or--given that I don't have a Pro--it won't matter?

Thanks in advance!

Are you using game mode? If so, it shouldn't be laggy at all. Do you have any post processing settings on? You should turn off any motion setting or smoothing settings. Also do you have instant game response on? You need to set ultra HD deep color to on. Enable ultra HD color as well. If you've done all this I'm sorry,

This TV has great input lag even in 4K HDR mode. Unfortunately, this TV is not very good with HDR10. It just doesn't get bright enough and doesn't have a wide color gamut. But I always say, use whatever looks best to you. Play around with the picture modes if you are able to still select one in game mode. Vivid will probably make everything brighter and some people like it, but it crushes colors and make them very inaccurate in some cases.

As far as an HDMI cable, the one that came with the PS4 pro is all you need. The rest of the ones that are labeled high performance are just BS marketing to get you to pay more. Pretty much all HDMI cables out there now are 2.0.

Edit: Just realized you are on the og PS4. It does support HDR. Set all video settings to auto. And as far as an HDMI cable, just make sure you have a 2.0. But like I said, you won't get a lot of HDR benefits with this TV. But again, if it looks good to you, that's all that matters.

[JHedges2]

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Edit: Just realized you are on the og PS4. It does support HDR. Set all video settings to auto. And as far as an HDMI cable, just make sure you have a 2.0. But like I said, you won't get a lot of HDR benefits with this TV. But again, if it looks good to you, that's all that matters.

REALLY appreciate the thorough feedback. Super helpful. The game looks great to me in “standard” (non HDR), was just initially a bit disappointed to see it not work as I hoped.

Thanks again!


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[knucklecutter]

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REALLY appreciate the thorough feedback. Super helpful. The game looks great to me in “standard” (non HDR), was just initially a bit disappointed to see it not work as I hoped.

Thanks again!


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Not just you but anybody, if you don't have a display with a wide color gamut and a decent implementation of local dimming with a true HDR 10 certification then trying to use HDR is a waste of time.

[statum71]

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It is a bit white washed. I’ve been playing with HDR on since I got a PS4 Pro.

But I just turned it off a few weeks ago and the colors in my sports games really pop a lot better now. Especially NBA 2K and MLB The Show. A LOT more realistic looking.


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[ParisB]

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It is a bit white washed. I’ve been playing with HDR on since I got a PS4 Pro.

But I just turned it off a few weeks ago and the colors in my sports games really pop a lot better now. Especially NBA 2K and MLB The Show. A LOT more realistic looking.


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It will depend on your TV specs, performance, and settings.

Personally, to me HDR is far superior experience visually that turning it off is a nonstarter.

[statum71]

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It will depend on your TV specs, performance, and settings.

Personally, to me HDR is far superior experience visually that turning it off is a nonstarter.

My TV is great. I have a Vizio. It's not that it looks bad with HDR on. But for me I like the colors of the court and the skin texture (in 2K) and the sunlight and grass texture ( in The Show). It just looks better in my opinion without it.

[ParisB]

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My TV is great. I have a Vizio. It's not that it looks bad with HDR on. But for me I like the colors of the court and the skin texture (in 2K) and the sunlight and grass texture ( in The Show). It just looks better in my opinion without it.

True, it's likely just a preference too. It could be because HDR allows for a more natural and wider range of color and luminance which looks realistic, while the more compressed SDR feed makes it looks brighter and more poppy if your eyes haven't adjusted (in reality there's less range but the overall bottom is raised). People do usually prefer more pop in video games, but similar to how compressed music sometimes appears louder and we associate louder with better. Or like when our eyes are used to Vivid picture mode etc. At the end of the day, we all have our own preferences