Player Ratings

[Soxfan34]

I'm curious as to what people think of the player ratings in general.
I've noticed some players stats/ratings that I think are pretty far off. For instance, I'm playing through my franchise with the Redsox. Xander Boagaerts fielding is rated at a 54!!! I wouldn't say he's elite, but he's a very solid defensive shortstop.
Also a bit comical is Gio Urshela being rated at an 85 overall and Rafael Devers below him at 84. He was statistically better in just about every offensive category.
Also Kevin Pillar and Jackie Bradley Jr. are pretty safely top 15, arguably top 10 defensive outfielders in all of baseball. But Aaron Judge is VASTLY superior to both of them in the game.
I think whoever is in charge of player ratings is a Yankees fan. Like c'mon!

[Rmiok222]

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I’m an Indians fan and one stat that I even think is insane is naquin arm strength is a 99 lol


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[GoDucks1224]

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I'm curious as to what people think of the player ratings in general.

I've noticed some players stats/ratings that I think are pretty far off. For instance, I'm playing through my franchise with the Redsox. Xander Boagaerts fielding is rated at a 54!!! I wouldn't say he's elite, but he's a very solid defensive shortstop.

Also a bit comical is Gio Urshela being rated at an 85 overall and Rafael Devers below him at 84. He was statistically better in just about every offensive category.

Also Kevin Pillar and Jackie Bradley Jr. are pretty safely top 15, arguably top 10 defensive outfielders in all of baseball. But Aaron Judge is VASTLY superior to both of them in the game.

I think whoever is in charge of player ratings is a Yankees fan. Like c'mon!

Spoken like a true Red Sox fan lol.

I agree on Xander’s fielding to an extent. He is too low rated there. But he’s also not great. He has a pretty negative DRS, and a low UZR.

Urshela is a far better defender than Devers and was extremely close offensively. Their WRC+ was like 2 points apart, and had similar WAR. The defensive side of things factors a lot in MLBTS ratings.

Pillar is a terrible defender. He just occasionally makes flashy catches so people give him the benefit of the doubt. His metrics are quite poor. And he’s one of the worst mainstay offensive outfielders in the league. JBJ is a normally good defender who just had his worst season in the field. He’s an abysmal bat aside from that one random season a couple years ago. Aaron Judge is statistically one of the best defensive outfielders in the league believe it or not, and his offensive contribution is not even on the same planet as JBJ. Neither JBJ or Pillar are top 15 defensively.

PS: I’m a Giants fan who hates both of these teams.

[Detroit Tigers]

Player Ratings

Even as a fairly casual baseball fan, it’s pretty clear SDS does not use any kind of advanced scouting service/metrics to determine ratings. Not saying they just make stuff up on the fly but my god stuff is constantly wrong. Off the top of my head, Miggy Cabrera’s power rating against lefties is WAAAY higher than his power rating against RHP, despite him never being particularly powerful against lefties. There are eyebrows to be raised about virtually every player if I had to guess.

[BigOscar]

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Unfortunately a lot of these ratings are deliberately skewed to make the players overalls stay below/sneak above certain marks in DD, so as a result they aren't as accurate as they should be. If Boggaerts was even a marginally better fielder, he'd be a diamond in DD, that's why they put it so low, for example.

It is also that they don't want the best live series players to be too good, as it limits their ability to sell packs with the new flashbacks they release throughout the year. They have deliberately set the LS players ratings a bit on the low side, to make room for new cards to be better than them. It makes sense for DD, but for the game on the whole it's pretty bad to not have accuracy being the number one priority for ratings.

[JTommy67]

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I would add to this by sharing my own experience in trying to understand the player ratings. For the hitting and pitching ratings, it's fairly easy to crunch the numbers and clearly see what they're using for the ratings by calculating R-values (correlation coefficients). In most cases the statistics used are what you'd expect and fairly logical.

However, when I did this for fielding ratings I came up with nothing. And I mean nothing...I compared the ratings with every metric I could think of and nothing matched up. Eventually, I gave up and in my utility I just went with my own logic.

But another good clue is to look at ratings progressions themselves from year-to-year for a given player. For a contact rating, for example, since they're based on three year averages the movement from year to year is slow. You might have a guy go from 57 to 64 the next year and then 76 if he steadily improves. But it's impossible for a guy to go from 45 to 90 in one year...the numbers don't work that way, unless he hit .450 the last year....

...and yet this is what you see with their defensive ratings. A guy could be rated 54 one year and then 90 the next, once they realize he's got enough buzz around his fielding prowess.

The defensive ratings, on the whole, have seemed to me to be almost purely subjective.

[BoNity]

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I never understood people who have issues with ratings, if you think someone is rated too low or high just change their ratings lol. It's all subjective to a degree and it's a game so ... Why not just do it yourself, takes 2 minutes. Not to bash anyone, this is just my opinion on ratings.

[HollaMV7]

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Ender Inciarte of the Braves.

He has 40 something speed in the game and his defense is low. He's won 3 gold gloves and stole 28 bases in 2018.

[PrettyT11]

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Even as a fairly casual baseball fan, it’s pretty clear SDS does not use any kind of advanced scouting service/metrics to determine ratings. Not saying they just make stuff up on the fly but my god stuff is constantly wrong. Off the top of my head, Miggy Cabrera’s power rating against lefties is WAAAY higher than his power rating against RHP, despite him never being particularly powerful against lefties. There are eyebrows to be raised about virtually every player if I had to guess.

They actually have that right. If we just use last year Miggy slugged .557 and had an OPS of .971 against lefties vs .357 and .687 against righties. 2018 he basically didn’t play. In 2017 he slugged over 100 points higher against lefties. Even if you just take his career numbers he has a higher slugging and OPS against lefties. So they clearly don’t have that one wrong.

[PrettyT11]

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I'm curious as to what people think of the player ratings in general.
I've noticed some players stats/ratings that I think are pretty far off. For instance, I'm playing through my franchise with the Redsox. Xander Boagaerts fielding is rated at a 54!!! I wouldn't say he's elite, but he's a very solid defensive shortstop.
Also a bit comical is Gio Urshela being rated at an 85 overall and Rafael Devers below him at 84. He was statistically better in just about every offensive category.
Also Kevin Pillar and Jackie Bradley Jr. are pretty safely top 15, arguably top 10 defensive outfielders in all of baseball. But Aaron Judge is VASTLY superior to both of them in the game.
I think whoever is in charge of player ratings is a Yankees fan. Like c'mon!

You do realize that Judge was tied for the most defensive runs saved last year in RF despite missing a ton games?? He also won MLB’s defensive player of the year in RF. His defense is far better than Pillar and Bradley and every stat, metric, and award backs that up.

[Drop_ya_mitts]

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Even as a fairly casual baseball fan, it’s pretty clear SDS does not use any kind of advanced scouting service/metrics to determine ratings. Not saying they just make stuff up on the fly but my god stuff is constantly wrong. Off the top of my head, Miggy Cabrera’s power rating against lefties is WAAAY higher than his power rating against RHP, despite him never being particularly powerful against lefties. There are eyebrows to be raised about virtually every player if I had to guess.

SDS do use sabermetrics and advanced scouting.
Now you're welcome to debate how much you agree with how they weight the years these are accumulated against (3 years) but you're categorically wrong by stating the contrary.

[Caulfield]

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I never understood people who have issues with ratings, if you think someone is rated too low or high just change their ratings lol. It's all subjective to a degree and it's a game so ... Why not just do it yourself, takes 2 minutes. Not to bash anyone, this is just my opinion on ratings.

I dont play online but I imagine the largest complaint would be from those that do and are stuck with it is what it is. for offline complaints it's probably more a matter of not wanting to go through roughly 3000 players and verify SDS is at least close.