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  • FindingTim
    Rookie
    • Mar 2009
    • 386

    #16
    Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

    I started on HOF with no slider adjustments.

    I found that the computer peppered the strike zone too much, and among those strikes, a high percentage were meatballs. Simply too many pitches that were eminently mashable - to the extent that it felt like an unrealistic advantage in my favor.

    (I was hitting home runs left and right, and felt that if I'd have been more focused and practicing discipline, I'd have hit even more.)

    Pitching on HOF felt much more challenging. But I definitely had to paint corners and nibble to some extent, otherwise get rocked.

    I moved both offense and pitching up to Legend -- which in past iterations of The Show was too much for me.

    My first 'Legend' at-bat came against Alex Reyes (fantasy drafted by the Pirates). The pitch speed boost was immediately noticeable. He was struck out Acuna with a 99mph heater upstars and I had no chance. Then, somewhat cheating to catch the fastball, he made me look foolish with offspeed stuff. On Legend, pitchers want to destroy you. On HOF, it felt like 40% of the time they were saying "here's a meatball for you, slugger! crush it - it'll feel good!"

    Pitching on Legend is tough. HOF seemed realistic and I'm not sure it was necessary to move up - I suppose I just wanted to keep things in sync with my hitting difficulty.

    You can't lose focus for one pitch. I had a lapse in focus for one pitch - a first pitch cutter from Desclafani to Miguel Sano - which I left pretty much dead center. He promptly deposited a 2-run homer and tied the game at 4. And it was by far the least focused I'd been for any pitch to that point.

    The next game I faced Marco Gonzales and it was worlds different than my (failed) experience against Alex Reyes. Marco kept me off balance with changeup low and away, occasionally mixing a cutter up and in to keep me honest. His velo wasn't an issue, but he took advantage of impatience and peppered the lower corners. It was a neat (and apt) change from facing a fireballer. I certainly don't look forward to facing a deGrom or Cole type on Legend. I think I'll be lucky to muster 1-2 runs. Which I suppose is probably how real MLB teams feel against those guys.

    In summary, I don't think legend is necessarily too easy. I'll be sticking with it for now, and I'm not ready to venture into the world of Vault sliders. I do find myself wondering if HOF hitting would be solid, with a (needed) bump to pitch speed and a reduction of cpu pitcher strike frequency. Frankly, the default fastball speed on HOF isn't quick enough to force you to (somewhat) cheat fastball, the way real MLB hitters probably do to some extent. And because of that, it makes the HOF off-speed pitches play down, because you don't have to be geared up to catch up to fastballs. That, combined with too many meatballs, makes HOF feel more like an advanced "All-Star" level of years past.

    Legend, for now, feels like the best emulation of real MLB baseball.
    Last edited by FindingTim; 03-29-2020, 12:40 PM.

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    • bcruise
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2004
      • 23274

      #17
      Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

      Played to the All Star break on Legend+ and I really like what I'm seeing. I'm still what I would consider "above projection", but it's not unrealistically good for a player of Heyward's ratings IMO.

      Here's the basic stats on this new test on Legend+ for the ASB (highlighted line):


      As compared to the Legend one:


      As I expected, when the average came down the homers dropped sharply as well. It's a natural drop in those numbers since hitting obviously got tougher overall with the half-difficulty step up - it doesn't feel forced as if I was trying to drive homers down with the sliders. I feel like this might be what a lot of people are seeing this year with the increased homer totals - chances are they're hitting for unrealistically high averages as well (though it may not be as obvious when controlling a whole team as opposed to just one player). Treat the cause - not the effect. The HR's might still be a little high especially when comparing my current total with his career high, but this feels like a much better base to work from if I need to do any slider tweaking.

      There's a huge spread in the game to game results - I've had games where I struck out 3 times and, as I mentioned, I actually hit for the cycle in another. That's the beauty of this game, especially when you're able to apply it to a highly user-influenced mechanic like zone hitting. You really feel like you have an impact on the game, but with the right settings you can still keep it in check and in-line with reality.

      When solid contact and average drops, you also see the gamut of hit varieties in this game. I've had infield grounders that were slow enough for hits, smokers past the 1B inside the foul line for extra bases, Texas League bloops into CF, opposite field hits and HR's, hooking line drives that settled in the RF corner, and so on.

      There's really only one slider tweak I'm even entertaining the idea of making and it's a favorite of mine - the strike frequency slider. I'm finding myself in a lot of hitters counts because the CPU gets behind early. The way that slider works, it only influences the early counts so it doesn't directly affect the CPU's ability to strike me out - it only gives it more opportunities to do so. It hasn't led to an increase in hittable strikes for me in the past either, so it's been a low-impact slider tweak to use when I want to increase the CPU's ability to strike me out. I don't swing at every strike in early counts - only those that I feel like I feel like I can reach by not moving the PCI much or at all (not always the middle). I need to play some full games before I really get a handle on early count strikes on this difficulty though - it's hard to judge something like that when you only see one player's at-bats.

      Before that though, I'm going to play out the rest of this season - partially for the full season of data and partially because I'm just enjoying it so much.
      Last edited by bcruise; 03-29-2020, 06:48 PM.

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      • bcruise
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2004
        • 23274

        #18
        Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

        Full season data:



        So, at least we've got a realistic looking season line, though perhaps not one for a player of Heyward's ability. He wasn't going to hit 35 HR's in this or any other season. And because of that number, slugging and OPS were also up.

        I'm still in the middle of going through a lot of data from the franchise related to this (how other comparable players performed in sims, etc.) but I'll at least say that by season's end he had +6 power vs righties due to auto training and he was playing above expectations (contributing to his +2 OVR boost from morale). So there were factors at play other than just the difficulty, and it could help explain the 2nd half power surge.

        Little bummed about the way that 2nd half went, with several multi-HR games including a 3 homer one. But I still enjoyed playing through that season a ton, and it gives me a much better base to work from. I really like Legend+.

        Edit: LOL, there's a game 163 for the division between the Cubs and Brewers. I'm not going to include that in the stats.
        Last edited by bcruise; 03-29-2020, 11:32 PM.

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        • underdog13
          MVP
          • Apr 2012
          • 3222

          #19
          Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

          I'm more impressed at just you ripping through those games (player lock, but still). I haven't had a day where I've just sat down and played for hours yet.
          PSN: Dalton1985
          Steam: Failure To Communicate

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          • bcruise
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2004
            • 23274

            #20
            Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

            Originally posted by underdog13
            I'm more impressed at just you ripping through those games (player lock, but still). I haven't had a day where I've just sat down and played for hours yet.
            Yep....lots of time on my hands right now, unfortunately.

            I sped things up somewhat by only doing the plate appearances and simming everything else including the baserunning.

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            • MetsFan16
              MVP
              • Nov 2011
              • 1416

              #21
              Legend Hitting too easy this year?

              I’m having trouble keeping my RTTS realistic. I’m playing on Legend and am still hitting over .300 in AAA as an 18 year old 2B. I turned all hitting sliders down to 0 just so I can suck for a year or two and not get called up at the ripe age of 18

              I’m also weary of starting my franchise before I tune my sliders to get the right balance of challenge and success
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFx...dAg4-xmpkL1Jhw

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              • douevenbench
                Banned
                • Jan 2020
                • 166

                #22
                Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                Originally posted by MetsFan16
                I’m having trouble keeping my RTTS realistic. I’m playing on Legend and am still hitting over .300 in AAA as an 18 year old 2B. I turned all hitting sliders down to 0 just so I can suck for a year or two and not get called up at the ripe age of 18

                I’m also weary of starting my franchise before I tune my sliders to get the right balance of challenge and success
                Strike zone camera?

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                • buziii
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 399

                  #23
                  Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                  Oops, I'm in the wrong thread...

                  Can someone point me to the "All-Star hitting is too difficult" thread?

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                  • BA2929
                    The Designated Hitter
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3342

                    #24
                    Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                    I'm on Legend+ hitting and I haven't played a The Show game since 2017. Using the Offset Zoom camera.

                    Granted, I have been playing Super Mega Baseball for 2 years so maybe that's helping.
                    "Baseball is the coolest sport because, at any moment, the catcher can stop the game and go tell the pitcher a secret" - Rob Fee

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                    • bcruise
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 23274

                      #25
                      Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

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                      Here's a short video example of why I'm loving Legend+, and why I'd encourage anyone finding Legend too easy to try it. I decided to try everyone's favorite meme Joey Gallo in Player Lock for a bit (don't know if I'll play a whole season like Heyward) to see how things go for him. The power's obviously not in question, but he has significantly lower contact and as such it's much harder for me to square up. If that leads to him not threatening to break the HR record, then there's a pretty good balance on this difficulty for me.

                      You can see the stats in progress on the score bug - I'm certainly not lighting the world on fire yet. But a lot of the at-bats have looked like this - I'm lucky if I see more than one hittable pitch in an at-bat, and I'm walking and striking out a lot - even more than with Heyward. The walks have mostly been earned, meaning I usually have to foul a couple close pitches to see that 4th ball.

                      Challenging, but a lot of fun if you enjoy the mental aspect of baseball as much as the physical.

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                      • douevenbench
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2020
                        • 166

                        #26
                        Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                        Originally posted by bcruise
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                        Here's a short video example of why I'm loving Legend+, and why I'd encourage anyone finding Legend too easy to try it. I decided to try everyone's favorite meme Joey Gallo in Player Lock for a bit (don't know if I'll play a whole season like Heyward) to see how things go for him. The power's obviously not in question, but he has significantly lower contact and as such it's much harder for me to square up. If that leads to him not threatening to break the HR record, then there's a pretty good balance on this difficulty for me.

                        You can see the stats in progress on the score bug - I'm certainly not lighting the world on fire yet. But a lot of the at-bats have looked like this - I'm lucky if I see more than one hittable pitch in an at-bat, and I'm walking and striking out a lot - even more than with Heyward. The walks have mostly been earned, meaning I usually have to foul a couple close pitches to see that 4th ball.

                        Challenging, but a lot of fun if you enjoy the mental aspect of baseball as much as the physical.
                        Somebody that doesnt play strike zone 1 or 2...I like it!!

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                        • douevenbench
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2020
                          • 166

                          #27
                          Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                          I'm enjoying directional hitting...zone is op

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                          • underdog13
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 3222

                            #28
                            Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                            Originally posted by douevenbench
                            Somebody that doesnt play strike zone 1 or 2...I like it!!
                            I hate those strike zone views lol. They feel so unnatural.
                            PSN: Dalton1985
                            Steam: Failure To Communicate

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                            • bcruise
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23274

                              #29
                              Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                              Originally posted by underdog13
                              I hate those strike zone views lol. They feel so unnatural.
                              That's actually Strike Zone 3 in my video....but it looks so different from the other two, doesn't it? I think of it as more of a zoomed in fisheye - I mean, I can even still see down the baselines.

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                              • baseballguy99
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2019
                                • 933

                                #30
                                Re: Legend Hitting too easy this year?

                                Now that we’ve had a few more patches do you guys still find default legend too easy?

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