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  • Endorphinrush3000
    Rookie
    • Nov 2019
    • 154

    #1

    Diving plays need to be tightened up

    Not sure how many of you are seeing this but 90% of diving plays or jumping plays result in the ball bouncing off a glove or arm. This doesnt seem to matter wether its a gold fielder or a below average rated fielder. Seems like an honest error as they try to work on defense, hopefully there will be more clean highlight reel plays in the near future.

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  • Drop_ya_mitts
    Rookie
    • Nov 2019
    • 104

    #2
    Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

    I haven't got a big enough sample size to say either way. I've had some really nice plays and some that bounce off gloves. Haven't had a problem when either happen. Had one last night where Trey Mancini dived for a flair into right field and it bounced off is glove at full stretch. Now after watching Trey for years, I'd say the chances of him successfully making that grab would be quite low, so I have no issues with him not making the play in game.
    Like I say though, my sample size is still small as I only get to play maybe 10 games a week but I haven't felt this as an issue so far.
    Good to keep the feedback rolling.
    Last thing we want is too common a highlight play, otherwise they become the norm and not actual highlights (imo)

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    • LastActionHero
      MVP
      • Feb 2009
      • 2453

      #3
      Diving plays need to be tightened up

      I have never liked the diving mechanic in this game. The fact that you have to decide whether to use the jump or dive button in a split second is terrible if you ask me.

      The MVP series from EA had the easiest way: just point the R stick in the direction the ball is and the player will make the appropriate jump/dive necessary to make the play. This resulted in some great plays that aren’t even possible in The Show.

      I’ve been asking for this gameplay change for years.
      Last edited by LastActionHero; 04-02-2020, 06:30 AM.
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      • rick diesel
        Rookie
        • Nov 2010
        • 66

        #4
        Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

        I agree that the diving catches need to be successful more often even with below average fielders. Pro players usually are able to make those plays when the ball is in the reach of their glove. Heck, in my softball beer league guys probably complete diving catches 8 or 9 times out of 10 (and 10 out of 10 times when I'm batting it seems). In The Show even playing with auto fielding on it seems to be 50/50 whether they catch it or it bounces off of the fielder's glove/wrist (which is fine occasionally) or arm (should never happen). Fielding overall has seen terrific improvements over the last few years which has pleased me as someone who was all about defense back in my real-life baseball playing days. However the diving/jumping/home run robbing mechanics have been and continue to be a rough spot. Obviously it is very tough to get natural looking and fluid animations for those plays and The Show is far from the only baseball video game that has come up short in that area. Hopefully soon with tech advancements improvements will come.
        Last edited by rick diesel; 04-02-2020, 07:47 AM.

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        • dubplate
          MVP
          • Dec 2002
          • 3783

          #5
          Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

          Originally posted by Endorphinrush3000
          Not sure how many of you are seeing this but 90% of diving plays or jumping plays result in the ball bouncing off a glove or arm. This doesnt seem to matter wether its a gold fielder or a below average rated fielder. Seems like an honest error as they try to work on defense, hopefully there will be more clean highlight reel plays in the near future.

          This is offline play

          Sent from my LG-H873 using Operation Sports mobile app
          I’m seeing a good mix and have been happy with the change this year, in years past nearly every diving play resulted in a catch.

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          • rick diesel
            Rookie
            • Nov 2010
            • 66

            #6
            Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

            Originally posted by dubplate
            I’m seeing a good mix and have been happy with the change this year, in years past nearly every diving play resulted in a catch.
            But isn't it realistic for most diving plays to result in catches? At least on fly balls and line drives in the air MLB players almost always hang on to the ball. Even the freshman high schoolers I coach rarely drop the ball on diving plays in the outfield. It's one thing to dive and fail to reach the ball, but if a player gets their glove on the ball they are most likely going to catch it. That being said, when it comes to ground balls it's a bit of a different story. Diving stops on grounders commonly result in the ball being knocked down instead of gloved cleanly and I think The Show has a good balance on those plays. But, using auto fielding, outfielders are completely butchering diving catches too often imo.

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            • BigOscar
              MVP
              • May 2016
              • 2971

              #7
              Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

              Reckon the computer controlled fielders average about a 95% catch rate on dives and homerun grabs, human not so much. Seems fine for human controlled players tbh, they are supposed to be tough plays, they just need to tone down the auto fielders

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              • countryboy
                Growing pains
                • Sep 2003
                • 52728

                #8
                Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                I'm seeing a good balance between both USER and CPU in terms of diving plays being successful and missed. Me personally I hope they do not tune/tweak it one way or the other.
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                • TheWarmWind
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 2620

                  #9
                  Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                  This year is way better then last year. They may have to do a little too help human players reach parity with CPU fielders, but last year and all years previous if a CPU fielder were to dive at a catch they were WAY to likely to catch it.

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                  • HighCmpPct
                    Denny 3K
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 3593

                    #10
                    Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                    Originally posted by LastActionHero
                    I have never liked the diving mechanic in this game. The fact that you have to decide whether to use the jump or dive button in a split second is terrible if you ask me.

                    The MVP series from EA had the easiest way: just point the R stick in the direction the ball is and the player will make the appropriate jump/dive necessary to make the play. This resulted in some great plays that aren’t even possible in The Show.

                    I’ve been asking for this gameplay change for years.
                    Then turn on one-button Dive/Jump. You dont have to play with it being two different buttons.

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                    • knich
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 1116

                      #11
                      Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                      Originally posted by countryboy
                      I'm seeing a good balance between both USER and CPU in terms of diving plays being successful and missed. Me personally I hope they do not tune/tweak it one way or the other.
                      I use AF and it is the best yet. Really like how organic it seems. Very happy with the balance too.

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                      • LastActionHero
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 2453

                        #12
                        Diving plays need to be tightened up

                        Originally posted by HighCmpPct
                        Then turn on one-button Dive/Jump. You dont have to play with it being two different buttons.

                        Yeah this option has never worked properly. Players jumping when needing to dive and vice versa when turned on.

                        Even if it did work, I’ve never seen and infielder dive for a ball behind them left or right in the direction of the outfield, that animation is just simply not in the game. At least I’ve never been able to pull it off. They always seem to jump straight up, or do a superman dive left or right.
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                        • bronxbombers21325
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2012
                          • 3058

                          #13
                          Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                          Every diving play I’ve attempted has bounced out of the glove, or missed completely. It’s better to just pull up and let the ball drop for a single than attempt a diving play that is going to miss and probably give up a triple.

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                          • Drop_ya_mitts
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2019
                            • 104

                            #14
                            Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                            Originally posted by bronxbombers21325
                            Every diving play I’ve attempted has bounced out of the glove, or missed completely. It’s better to just pull up and let the ball drop for a single than attempt a diving play that is going to miss and probably give up a triple.
                            Keep trying, you'll get better at it and it's a wonderful feeling when you do start timing them and making them

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                            • Drop_ya_mitts
                              Rookie
                              • Nov 2019
                              • 104

                              #15
                              Re: Diving plays need to be tightened up

                              Originally posted by LastActionHero
                              Yeah this option has never worked properly. Players jumping when needing to dive and vice versa when turned on.

                              Even if it did work, I’ve never seen and infielder dive for a ball behind them left or right in the direction of the outfield, that animation is just simply not in the game. At least I’ve never been able to pull it off. They always seem to jump straight up, or do a superman dive left or right.

                              Do you find the use of R1 and R2 difficult? I'm not being facetious. You can use RS as well. I like to have control of what actions my fielder is taking. I find it easier to RS for diving and R1 for jumping (on a personal note)

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