7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

[jcar0725]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

This is perfect.

I've done the same thing for 6 straight innings and it worked? Why doesnt it keep working?

The same reason it doesnt work when I'm hitting. If the cpu is constantly doing the same thing, I'm going to score 15 runs.

So, yeah if I sense the cpu is on to me, I better start doing something else and fast.

Love this response. People complain but the AI picks up on your trends. By the 7th inning if you’re constantly pitching low and away or down and in the CPU picks up on that. Then we get hit around and blame comeback code.

I just can’t get on board with this.


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[ninertravel]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

I comeback against the CPU all the time.. but that is because of the dumb CPU BP management because they continue to NEVER put their setup guys in teh game unless they have a 1 run lead in the 8th innings.

There is no comeback code it is all about the CPU BP management. I find the home team can come back as well might be some advantage or something

[tytyboogie]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

I comeback against the CPU all the time.. but that is because of the dumb CPU BP management because they continue to NEVER put their setup guys in teh game unless they have a 1 run lead in the 8th innings.

There is no comeback code it is all about the CPU BP management. I find the home team can come back as well might be some advantage or something

So i just cant get past how in every single game ive played this year in my chise the CPU has put in there LRP no matter what inning it is if they are losing. one run games, 2,3 it dont matter. 6th, 7th, 8th,..its so annoying and as long as they are losing they stick with them. ive decided to go with 12 pitchers with every team stay with 25 man rosters though and have no pitchers in LRP slot anymore this worked good in past years i forgot to do this right away thinking sds actually took time to adjust bullpen management. i belive this will have the cpu use SU2 more often as well.

[CubFan23]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

I've scored 1 run in the first and had it hold up for a 1-0 win. Same goes for the CPU, they take an early lead and hold it. I've also won and lost in the late innings. I love how it's always a comeback code, ever think maybe you're just not good? These threads are ridiculous!

[wizfan2]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Ive said it the last 3 years this game has been out that the game has something with the CPU making comebacks in the 7th inning.
I have had the CPU score at least 1 run vs me in every game except 2 (currently 14 games into my Franchise) but this past game just takes the cake.
Up 3-1 and my starter is cruising and than the 7th inning comes along and BAM!
2-2 count low inside curve and its a hanger, Gone!
(Hit the meter Perfect)
Next guy strikes out
Next guy walks and 2 pitches that are in the zone get called balls.
Next guy 1-2 count high inside fastball and turned around for a 2 run shot
Next batter grounder to 1st, bad bounce single.
Bring in relief P and his very 1st pitch low and outside change up pulled for a 2 run shot
Game Shut Off!
This is ridiculous!
So 15 games and the CPU has scored in 13 of them in the 7th inning!!!

Your problems could be traced back to the teams you use and their starting pitching and bullpen strength, as an example this year again rolling with the Nats(Champs��) and Angels, let me tell you there is a huge difference in Pitching staffs after 5 games my Angels ERA was over 6 after an opening series in Houston, was like a slow pitch softball tourney then rolled into Texas and actually pitched pretty well. But to sum it up there can be a bunch of factors including your pitchers confidence in clutch spots, I have found myself looking at a pitchers clutch rating in high leverage spots. As a disclaimer I use classic pitching now, after years using meter, I feel the ratings matter more and you can feel if a pitcher has his good stuff or having to work aroumd certain hitters that might be on a hot streak.

[KnightTemplar]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Your problems could be traced back to the teams you use and their starting pitching and bullpen strength, as an example this year again rolling with the Nats(Champs��) and Angels, let me tell you there is a huge difference in Pitching staffs after 5 games my Angels ERA was over 6 after an opening series in Houston, was like a slow pitch softball tourney then rolled into Texas and actually pitched pretty well. But to sum it up there can be a bunch of factors including your pitchers confidence in clutch spots, I have found myself looking at a pitchers clutch rating in high leverage spots. As a disclaimer I use classic pitching now, after years using meter, I feel the ratings matter more and you can feel if a pitcher has his good stuff or having to work aroumd certain hitters that might be on a hot streak.

Yep. Everything matters. I've gone into the 6, 7, 8 innings with a pitcher (s) and I've said to myself, "Let me get this one more batter out" when his stamina/confidence/pitches thrown/actually watching him get a bit wild and BOOM, I paid for it. This game can't be a race to the 9th. It actually asks you , no it will tell you to strategize.

[stealyerface]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

One could argue that by the third time through the lineup, the CPU has figured out some trends in your pitching.

You are pounding the #9 cold zone- down and in to the same right-handed hitter you have been starting him off with in the first two at bats. Now, the third time through, you try to run that pus by him again, with a pitcher whose stamina is waning, and he jumps on your offering and belts one out and now the game is cheating.

Now, we go online to the boards, and rant about this year's version of comeback code.

And the best part, we start off our rant with, "I've been doing the same thing for six innings"...

Hey Copernicus, the Earth doesn't revolve around you, and your weak game planning. Mix it up, get the starter out of there, and you better have a back-third plan for hitters and defense this year, because the CPU will abuse you if you are predictable.

~syf

[JoshC1977]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Pre-pitch, hit R2...it shows your pitch history to that batter from the last AB. Don't repeat the same patterns to the same hitters. Don't repeat patterns from hitter to hitter. I mean, that's basic "Baseball 101" stuff.

If your pitcher starts missing his spots (even if the "pitcher tired" thing doesn't pop up), get the pen heated up ASAP. First baserunner he allows, get the pitching coach out there for a visit to the mound. Baseball is about "five and fly" now...if you're getting into the 7th, it was a good outing, but get your pen warmed up.

[ktd1976]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

One could argue that by the third time through the lineup, the CPU has figured out some trends in your pitching.

You are pounding the #9 cold zone- down and in to the same right-handed hitter you have been starting him off with in the first two at bats. Now, the third time through, you try to run that pus by him again, with a pitcher whose stamina is waning, and he jumps on your offering and belts one out and now the game is cheating.

Now, we go online to the boards, and rant about this year's version of comeback code.

And the best part, we start off our rant with, "I've been doing the same thing for six innings"...

Hey Copernicus, the Earth doesn't revolve around you, and your weak game planning. Mix it up, get the starter out of there, and you better have a back-third plan for hitters and defense this year, because the CPU will abuse you if you are predictable.

~syf

THIS!!!!

There is no "come back logic"

You simply cannot pitch the same way to each hitter EVERY time. Sooner or later, just like in real life, the hitters will figure out what you are doing, and ADJUST.

This is why pitchers don't normally have much success the third time through the order.

[AstrosAllDay85]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

THIS!!!!



There is no "come back logic"



You simply cannot pitch the same way to each hitter EVERY time. Sooner or later, just like in real life, the hitters will figure out what you are doing, and ADJUST.



This is why pitchers don't normally have much success the third time through the order.

Exactly!, how boring would it be for that to actually work anyways? I’m loving this years game so much even though it’s tougher than it has been in the past for me for some reason


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[stealyerface]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Now....

That being said.....

I still firmly believe, in no uncertain terms, that each game starts off with a predisposition towards the winner- before the first pitch.

Yep, you read that right. I think that in order for the game to portray an accurate replication of the ebbs and flows of the season, that there is a slant and a subsequent bias towards an outcome, that you either fall in place with, fight to get out of it, or succumb to the slant with no chance to change it.

I have done exhaustive testing. I mean, to the point of being obnoxious testing, on this exact claim.

I load up my sliders, load up my sweet roster edits, and get a game set up. I then start the game, and play one inning.

Then I restart the game and play it again. And again. And again. Same lineups, same pitchers, same exact everything. The differences in these one inning replay games is astounding.

You'll get a game where you have a six-pitch inning and you are up 5-0 before the CPU records an out.

You'll have a game where your pitcher, who throws a 96mph fastball, cannot get his fastball up over 93mph, and he gets torches for 7 runs and your defense has 2 errors in the first half an inning.

The next restart, he'll be throwing BB's at 98mph, and dotting the corner-black like a surgeon.

Hitting is the same way. You'll have what seems to be perfect timing on a ball in the zone, and ground weakly to second base, but in the next restart, that same number three hitter will take a ball off the plate, and mash it off the wall.

The disparities are remarkable, and waaaaaaay too different, for there not to be some sort of programming voodoo that pushes towards an outcome that is predetermined- or at least is headed that way. Sometimes you can pull your plane out of the tailspin, but more often, you are in the rapids, just hanging on to the raft.

So, while I contend, and have for years, that there is no "Comeback Code" and as such, most of the late-inning meltdowns are self-inflicted, I am fully vested in the notion that you may not have had a chance to win from the onset.

It just so happens that it manifested itself later in the game, as opposed to earlier.

Try it out, and have some test-game fun. You may be ordering the same stew on the menu, but the ingredients are definitely different from batch to batch...

~syf

[KnightTemplar]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Now....

That being said.....

I still firmly believe, in no uncertain terms, that each game starts off with a predisposition towards the winner- before the first pitch.

Yep, you read that right. I think that in order for the game to portray an accurate replication of the ebbs and flows of the season, that there is a slant and a subsequent bias towards an outcome, that you either fall in place with, fight to get out of it, or succumb to the slant with no chance to change it.

I have done exhaustive testing. I mean, to the point of being obnoxious testing, on this exact claim.

I load up my sliders, load up my sweet roster edits, and get a game set up. I then start the game, and play one inning.

Then I restart the game and play it again. And again. And again. Same lineups, same pitchers, same exact everything. The differences in these one inning replay games is astounding.

You'll get a game where you have a six-pitch inning and you are up 5-0 before the CPU records an out.

You'll have a game where your pitcher, who throws a 96mph fastball, cannot get his fastball up over 93mph, and he gets torches for 7 runs and your defense has 2 errors in the first half an inning.

The next restart, he'll be throwing BB's at 98mph, and dotting the corner-black like a surgeon.

Hitting is the same way. You'll have what seems to be perfect timing on a ball in the zone, and ground weakly to second base, but in the next restart, that same number three hitter will take a ball off the plate, and mash it off the wall.

The disparities are remarkable, and waaaaaaay too different, for there not to be some sort of programming voodoo that pushes towards an outcome that is predetermined- or at least is headed that way. Sometimes you can pull your plane out of the tailspin, but more often, you are in the rapids, just hanging on to the raft.

So, while I contend, and have for years, that there is no "Comeback Code" and as such, most of the late-inning meltdowns are self-inflicted, I am fully vested in the notion that you may not have had a chance to win from the onset.

It just so happens that it manifested itself later in the game, as opposed to earlier.

Try it out, and have some test-game fun. You may be ordering the same stew on the menu, but the ingredients are definitely different from batch to batch...

~syf

Why would anyone touch this game, waste their time playing? Sorry, I don’t get it.

[jmcole33]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Now....

That being said.....

I still firmly believe, in no uncertain terms, that each game starts off with a predisposition towards the winner- before the first pitch.

Yep, you read that right. I think that in order for the game to portray an accurate replication of the ebbs and flows of the season, that there is a slant and a subsequent bias towards an outcome, that you either fall in place with, fight to get out of it, or succumb to the slant with no chance to change it.

I have done exhaustive testing. I mean, to the point of being obnoxious testing, on this exact claim.

I load up my sliders, load up my sweet roster edits, and get a game set up. I then start the game, and play one inning.

Then I restart the game and play it again. And again. And again. Same lineups, same pitchers, same exact everything. The differences in these one inning replay games is astounding.

You'll get a game where you have a six-pitch inning and you are up 5-0 before the CPU records an out.

You'll have a game where your pitcher, who throws a 96mph fastball, cannot get his fastball up over 93mph, and he gets torches for 7 runs and your defense has 2 errors in the first half an inning.

The next restart, he'll be throwing BB's at 98mph, and dotting the corner-black like a surgeon.

Hitting is the same way. You'll have what seems to be perfect timing on a ball in the zone, and ground weakly to second base, but in the next restart, that same number three hitter will take a ball off the plate, and mash it off the wall.

The disparities are remarkable, and waaaaaaay too different, for there not to be some sort of programming voodoo that pushes towards an outcome that is predetermined- or at least is headed that way. Sometimes you can pull your plane out of the tailspin, but more often, you are in the rapids, just hanging on to the raft.

So, while I contend, and have for years, that there is no "Comeback Code" and as such, most of the late-inning meltdowns are self-inflicted, I am fully vested in the notion that you may not have had a chance to win from the onset.

It just so happens that it manifested itself later in the game, as opposed to earlier.

Try it out, and have some test-game fun. You may be ordering the same stew on the menu, but the ingredients are definitely different from batch to batch...

~syf

I disagree with this. I don't believe there is any sort of comeback code or predisposed outcome in this game. If that were the case, wouldn't the results be the exact same every time you loaded up to play the same game?

There is an inherent randomness in every outcome in the game - every pitch, every AB, every fielding chance, every throw - the same as real life.

If the Mets played the Cardinals with the same lineups and same pitchers 1,000 times in a row, each and every game would be unique.

[stealyerface]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

Why would anyone touch this game, waste their time playing? Sorry, I don’t get it.

I wasn't saying it as a bad thing. Not even close.

I LOVE the fact that the games are all different, and have written extensively about the "Variable Stuff" setting from the other game back in 2005.

I am a big proponent of games not being cookie cutter games with a #1 vs #1 starter, and the games all being 2-1 or 1-0 low-scoring affairs. This seems to me, to be the only way to keep the games from getting stale and I LOVE the fact there is something that is replicating the ins and outs of life on the field.

It is through my own fault that I have tested this, and again, this is not a knock.

It is the only way to make it work, and the only way to make it seem like organic.

~syf

[jcar0725]

Re: 7th inning CPU Comeback again this year!

I disagree with this. I don't believe there is any sort of comeback code or predisposed outcome in this game. If that were the case, wouldn't the results be the exact same every time you loaded up to play the same game?

There is an inherent randomness in every outcome in the game - every pitch, every AB, every fielding chance, every throw - the same as real life.

If the Mets played the Cardinals with the same lineups and same pitchers 1,000 times in a row, each and every game would be unique.

I think player hot and cold streaks factor in to games, but not a predisposed game outcome no way. I've played too many games I would have noticed that. Sometimes my starter in said game will be having a bad day because he's on a cold streak, but I get him through 5 and put in my top reliever and suddenly he's mowing them down. If I don't do that I lose the game, but the game adjust to what's happening throughout.