Reason Fielders Dont Back Up Plays?

[beastthesherg]

Does anyone know the actual reason why the show has never realistically depicted the way fielders actually react and back each other up on balls hit in play? I figure its either:
1. player collision/engine problems
2. laziness/unwillingness to properly make all 9 players do what they are supposed to do
3. developers are clueless and dont really know how players ALWAYS back each other up.
4. some sort of punishment system so that if you miss a flyball no one is there to prevent extra bases.

i really want to know the answer to this

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Reason Fielders Dont Back Up Plays?

2. laziness/unwillingness to properly make all 9 players do what they are
supposed to do
3. developers are clueless and dont really know how players ALWAYS back each other up.


i really want to know the answer to this

C’mon, cheap shots. These guys live at the studio, even sleep there during crunch time. They actually have a couple devs, Chris Gil, who played pro ball. I believe he was in the Cards minor league system.

[Ace2734]

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This presumes players in real life still back each other up. I half-kid


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[mrsaito]

Re: Reason Fielders Dont Back Up Plays?

From what I've seen in the outfield when there is a ball hit in the gap there will be a second fielder in the area, although not completely backing up the selected fielder.

This discounts #2. Perhaps if they are too close it would interfere with the ability to select a given fielder.

[jcar0725]

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I dont see this at all. I think it's pretty accurate as depicted. A ball in the gap of the outfield will usually have two outfielders in the area. A fly ball directly to LF you wont see the CF race over and get behind him in the big leagues, this isnt softball.

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[AstrosAllDay85]

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I’ve never had a issue with the AI not being properly positioned....... The Show does a hell of a job at replicating baseball


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[nemesis04]

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Overall I think the AI does a good job most of the time. I do see it collapse though when you take control of different fielder from the default one. The default fielder now in cpu control will still run to the spot of the catch resulting in both of you standing on top of one another instead of the cpu fielder breaking off and backing up the play.

[beastthesherg]

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not gonna insult anybody but you are all dead wrong if you think this game properly depicts what all 9 guys do on a play. maybe its something you arent focusing on. for instance, have you ever seen 2 guys even come remotely close to colliding? didnt think so. ever hit a pop up foul down the 1st or 3rd baseline? how many guys actually go for the ball? 3? 2? nope just 1. i wasnt insulting devs either thats why i left the answer open to different possibilities. to the softball guy, obviously no one is talking about balls hit directly at someone, but plays in the gap you should see 2 guys racing to the ball until 1 get there 1st or is clearly going to get there 1st. t
mainly im talking about pop ups where the infielder has to go deeper than usual. you nevere see these plays backed up correctly. years ago i use tothink it was the mlb not allowing/wanting the show to rate collionsions for some reason. not sure why i thought they would careabout that

[garry1221]

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not gonna insult anybody but you are all dead wrong if you think this game properly depicts what all 9 guys do on a play. maybe its something you arent focusing on. for instance, have you ever seen 2 guys even come remotely close to colliding? didnt think so. ever hit a pop up foul down the 1st or 3rd baseline? how many guys actually go for the ball? 3? 2? nope just 1. i wasnt insulting devs either thats why i left the answer open to different possibilities. to the softball guy, obviously no one is talking about balls hit directly at someone, but plays in the gap you should see 2 guys racing to the ball until 1 get there 1st or is clearly going to get there 1st. t
mainly im talking about pop ups where the infielder has to go deeper than usual. you nevere see these plays backed up correctly. years ago i use tothink it was the mlb not allowing/wanting the show to rate collionsions for some reason. not sure why i thought they would careabout that

As someone mentioned earlier. I see CF and LF/RF chasing a ball in the gap. Pop-ups as you described, i've never NOT noticed an OF racing in to back up. Even throws to the corners, i notice the pitcher covering in foul ground when possible. Pop fouls? I've always seen the player with the best read on the ball go for it. No need for 2 or 3 chasing a foul ball.. Idk what your complaint is there (if i misread that one, my bad).

[countryboy]

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not gonna insult anybody but you are all dead wrong if you think this game properly depicts what all 9 guys do on a play. maybe its something you arent focusing on. for instance, have you ever seen 2 guys even come remotely close to colliding? didnt think so. ever hit a pop up foul down the 1st or 3rd baseline? how many guys actually go for the ball? 3? 2? nope just 1. i wasnt insulting devs either thats why i left the answer open to different possibilities. to the softball guy, obviously no one is talking about balls hit directly at someone, but plays in the gap you should see 2 guys racing to the ball until 1 get there 1st or is clearly going to get there 1st. t
mainly im talking about pop ups where the infielder has to go deeper than usual. you nevere see these plays backed up correctly. years ago i use tothink it was the mlb not allowing/wanting the show to rate collionsions for some reason. not sure why i thought they would careabout that

I've seen fielders remotely close to colliding quite a bit, especially on balls into the gap in the outfield where the centerfielder and the corner infielder are both chasing it down. Its a reason why one of the complaints about the game is that there is no collision detection because if the two fielders get too close or would actually collide they warp through one another.

And I see two infielders going for a ball in the hole or up the middle and at times the guy going deeper (closer to the outfield) will make the play when it gets past the front guy (closer to Homeplate) and I've seen two outfielders chasing a ground ball in the gap until one of them gets there.

[beastthesherg]

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I've seen fielders remotely close to colliding quite a bit, especially on balls into the gap in the outfield where the centerfielder and the corner infielder are both chasing it down. Its a reason why one of the complaints about the game is that there is no collision detection because if the two fielders get too close or would actually collide they warp through one another.

And I see two infielders going for a ball in the hole or up the middle and at times the guy going deeper (closer to the outfield) will make the play when it gets past the front guy (closer to Homeplate) and I've seen two outfielders chasing a ground ball in the gap until one of them gets there.

no you havent....at least not like it should be. you will never see fielders come within 6 feet of each other, but usually way further than that... you dont see any sort of collisions on doubleplays either...the show has been this way for years, come on now. im not hatin or nothing, just want to know the technical reasons for it. its all good. still a great game and franchise.

but thanks for your feedback on the collision detection, i figured that might be the reason because i was pretty sure they had knowledgeable guys there and i really didnt think they were lazy. so is that an engine problem or something?

[beastthesherg]

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As someone mentioned earlier. I see CF and LF/RF chasing a ball in the gap. Pop-ups as you described, i've never NOT noticed an OF racing in to back up. Even throws to the corners, i notice the pitcher covering in foul ground when possible. Pop fouls? I've always seen the player with the best read on the ball go for it. No need for 2 or 3 chasing a foul ball.. Idk what your complaint is there (if i misread that one, my bad).

"No need for 2 or 3 chasing a foul ball"

you lost all credibility with that statement, as well as proved my point.

no one ever said the CF and RF dont both chase a ball in the gap nor is anyone talking about pitchers backing up the plate. apparently, as someone mentioned, there is some sort of collision issue as to why. so my question/inference/query (not complaint) is valid and now i have an answer so thats why i posted this

[countryboy]

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no you havent....at least not like it should be. you will never see fielders come within 6 feet of each other, but usually way further than that... you dont see any sort of collisions on doubleplays either...the show has been this way for years, come on now. im not hatin or nothing, just want to know the technical reasons for it. its all good. still a great game and franchise.

but thanks for your feedback on the collision detection, i figured that might be the reason because i was pretty sure they had knowledgeable guys there and i really didnt think they were lazy. so is that an engine problem or something?

Actually I have, but I'm not about to go round and round with someone who's sole objective is to argue.

[KnightTemplar]

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not gonna insult anybody but you are all dead wrong if you think this game properly depicts what all 9 guys do on a play. maybe its something you arent focusing on. for instance, have you ever seen 2 guys even come remotely close to colliding? didnt think so. ever hit a pop up foul down the 1st or 3rd baseline? how many guys actually go for the ball? 3? 2? nope just 1. i wasnt insulting devs either thats why i left the answer open to different possibilities. to the softball guy, obviously no one is talking about balls hit directly at someone, but plays in the gap you should see 2 guys racing to the ball until 1 get there 1st or is clearly going to get there 1st. t
mainly im talking about pop ups where the infielder has to go deeper than usual. you nevere see these plays backed up correctly. years ago i use tothink it was the mlb not allowing/wanting the show to rate collionsions for some reason. not sure why i thought they would careabout that

“Lazy” and “clueless“ speak for themselves.

I’m going to guess it’s a programming issue. These devs, for years, have tried to address our issues and have done a pretty good job of replicating real life in A VIDEO GAME.

[garry1221]

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no you havent....at least not like it should be. you will never see fielders come within 6 feet of each other, but usually way further than that... you dont see any sort of collisions on doubleplays either...the show has been this way for years, come on now. im not hatin or nothing, just want to know the technical reasons for it. its all good. still a great game and franchise.

but thanks for your feedback on the collision detection, i figured that might be the reason because i was pretty sure they had knowledgeable guys there and i really didnt think they were lazy. so is that an engine problem or something?

Are you talking about a scenario like:TEAM B runner trying to mow down/bump TEAM A SS while sliding into 2nd to try and negate a doubleplay? I could only imagine the injury RNG having a field day with that. While I wouldn't necessarily be against it, I'd imagine a lot of ppl would say just let it play.