when do players regress in franchise mode?

[SouthernWarrior]

I have a bunch of 32-35 yr old relievers I want to re-sign to one year deals but I'm wondering when they regress. I'm just past the ASB and worry if I sign them to 4-5 million deals now, by the offseason they could lose 3 overall points or so and I could have gotten them for cheaper.

Is this accurate? When do players regress?

[garry1221]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

I've noticed the drop like flies zone is typically 34+. The older they are, the better the chance. I typically only touch STA and DUR during edits, but this year I'm leaning towards trying to counteract the extreme regression as a whole.

While I haven't set it in stone yet, I think I'm going to use 4.xx ERA as a baseline to counteract the drop like flies extreme. I believe others here have halved the regressed attributes across the board for these extreme cases, so that's what I'll do, rounding up when needed. I want to set a ceiling on pitch control, but i'm not sure what that number might be just yet.

[MightyMaxxx13]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

Like the poster above said, age-related regression usually hits heavy during age 34 season.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

Progression is dynamic from what I've witnessed.

Playing around with roster creation recently, I've had multiple young 80+ potential prospects go through bad seasons, and they've dropped noticeably in rating.

[MountUrCastle]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

Would like to add that progression is dynamic, until its not in the case of J.J Bleday in a Marlins practice run I did where he went up 3 OA points despite hitting .150 in double-a.

[SouthernWarrior]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

OK thank you everyone.

Has anyone noticed a major drop in regression once the off-season starts? Or it's all dynamic?

[AReifschneider]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

Mitch Moreland has lost 6 points in power and a couple OVR points in under 2 months. Obviously he's not an all-star to begin with, but he's right at 34 and will probably be under replacement level very soon for me. And he also hit six homers in that time frame.

[tdogg097]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

I don't know that it is unrealistic to expect players to fall off a cliff in their mid 30s. Look at A.Pujols. With STL a .328/.420/.617 slash line with an 86.6 WAR in 11 seasons. With LAA a .258/.314/.450 line with a 14.4 WAR in 8 seasons. And the drop-off started in his first season with the Angels at age 32. His highest WAR with the Angels would have been his lowest low with STL. I'm sure you can find countless examples throughout history. Father time is undefeated.

[garry1221]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

I don't know that it is unrealistic to expect players to fall off a cliff in their mid 30s. Look at A.Pujols. With STL a .328/.420/.617 slash line with an 86.6 WAR in 11 seasons. With LAA a .258/.314/.450 line with a 14.4 WAR in 8 seasons. And the drop-off started in his first season with the Angels at age 32. His highest WAR with the Angels would have been his lowest low with STL. I'm sure you can find countless examples throughout history. Father time is undefeated.

Its not unrealistic to expect regression at these ages. I won't argue that. I do think 90+ OVR dropping to 50-something OVR while not seeing much of a drop off in stats, in the span of a season, is extreme. If attributes are supposed to mean anything, a drastic drop there should coincide with a drop (or rise) in stats. Might fire up a franchise later and jot down notes along the way.

[tdogg097]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

Its not unrealistic to expect regression at these ages. I won't argue that. I do think 90+ OVR dropping to 50-something OVR while not seeing much of a drop off in stats, in the span of a season, is extreme. If attributes are supposed to mean anything, a drastic drop there should coincide with a drop (or rise) in stats. Might fire up a franchise later and jot down notes along the way.

I personally have never seen that big of a drop during the season regardless of stats. Big drops are in the 15-20 range.

[Rocket32]

Re: when do players regress in franchise mode?

I don't know that it is unrealistic to expect players to fall off a cliff in their mid 30s. Look at A.Pujols. With STL a .328/.420/.617 slash line with an 86.6 WAR in 11 seasons. With LAA a .258/.314/.450 line with a 14.4 WAR in 8 seasons. And the drop-off started in his first season with the Angels at age 32. His highest WAR with the Angels would have been his lowest low with STL. I'm sure you can find countless examples throughout history. Father time is undefeated.

It’s not unrealistic, but the problem in my opinion is that the current system doesn’t really allow any exceptions. The game just hammers their attributes no matter their stats in the season. A Nelson Cruz couldn’t happen in game naturally. For example in my franchise he’s still hitting great but all his attributes are already down -5 anyway and it’s not quite even 2 months in yet.

A Verlander probably couldn’t happen either. I think the game needs to factor in performance more and not automatically plummet older players ratings off a cliff. I think some regression no matter what is realistic, but it shouldn’t be drastic even if the player is doing well.