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  • mdgoalie37
    MVP
    • Apr 2006
    • 1456

    #16
    Re: Ineffective curveballs

    I'm using classic pitching and have had some guys really bury the curve and others hang it to create a souvenir for someone sitting about 450 feet from the plate. Its one of the pitches I throw early on to gauge if the pitcher really has 'it' that day. I like on classic how you get inconsistent results start to start.

    I recall one game where Nola's knuckle-curve was just unhittable. I was aiming it around knee height and it would get to the plate and just dive, you could feel how tight the spin was. No one touched it. Other games it's merely good and some get hung.
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    • Caulfield
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 10986

      #17
      Re: Ineffective curveballs

      yeah, a curve isn't the best strikeout pitch in the Show. I mostly use them as waste pitches when I get ahead in the count, and don't let the marker get very far into the meter either so as not to expend unnecessary energy on them. I use to swear by the 12-6 curve as my favorite curve in the game but over time it's changed to where I prefer the sweeping curve and love the horizontal movement on that curve. and I now prefer the splitter as my favourite vertical breaking ball over the 12-6.
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      • Syrjis
        Rookie
        • Aug 2018
        • 97

        #18
        Re: Ineffective curveballs

        Originally posted by Godgers12
        Conversely I find that sliders are probably the best pitch in the game. For me anyway sliders away are the toughest pitch in the game to hit.
        This. All the way.

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        • ktd1976
          MVP
          • Mar 2006
          • 1940

          #19
          Re: Ineffective curveballs

          Originally posted by Caulfield
          yeah, a curve isn't the best strikeout pitch in the Show. I mostly use them as waste pitches when I get ahead in the count, and don't let the marker get very far into the meter either so as not to expend unnecessary energy on them. I use to swear by the 12-6 curve as my favorite curve in the game but over time it's changed to where I prefer the sweeping curve and love the horizontal movement on that curve. and I now prefer the splitter as my favourite vertical breaking ball over the 12-6.
          I get TONS of strikeouts on Curve balls, even on LEGEND difficulty. The biggest key is having the pitch set up correctly. Not only that, but you have to show that you can throw the curve for strikes too.

          If you only break the pitch out with 2 strikes, as a "waste" pitch, the CPU will lay off of it. If you show you can throw it for strikes earlier in the count, they won't be able to lay off of it. Because they won't automatically "think" it will be a ball.

          If every time you get an 0-2 or 1-2 count, you throw a curve in the dirt, or out of the strike zone, the CPU will lay off of it. If you can show you can get the curve over for a strike earlier in the count, they won't be able to lay off of it.

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          • Coach11
            Rookie
            • Mar 2019
            • 20

            #20
            Re: Ineffective curveballs

            Originally posted by Rmiok222
            I appreciate this legitimate response instead of telling me to learn how to use them properly lol. Kudos. Curveball seems tough to aim this year.


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            I agree with you. Doesn’t seem to matter if I set it up or where I aim it, too many times it hangs. One of the more frustrating parts of the game. I rarely use it anymore opting to go with more sliders


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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #21
              Re: Ineffective curveballs

              Originally posted by ktd1976
              I get TONS of strikeouts on Curve balls, even on LEGEND difficulty. The biggest key is having the pitch set up correctly. Not only that, but you have to show that you can throw the curve for strikes too.

              If you only break the pitch out with 2 strikes, as a "waste" pitch, the CPU will lay off of it. If you show you can throw it for strikes earlier in the count, they won't be able to lay off of it. Because they won't automatically "think" it will be a ball.


              If every time you get an 0-2 or 1-2 count, you throw a curve in the dirt, or out of the strike zone, the CPU will lay off of it. If you can show you can get the curve over for a strike earlier in the count, they won't be able to lay off of it.
              yeah, I try to stay unpredictable but throwing curves is where I usually fail and is my Achilles heel. I prefer a good slider or changeup or even a slurve to the curveball. I tend to get rid of my 3-pitch relievers that throw a curveball as 1 of the pitches and if their other 2 pitches are a fastball and a changeup. my biggest problem with the curve is when I do throw it in the zone, I'm always afraid I'll accidentally hang it high
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              • ktd1976
                MVP
                • Mar 2006
                • 1940

                #22
                Re: Ineffective curveballs

                Originally posted by Caulfield
                yeah, I try to stay unpredictable but throwing curves is where I usually fail and is my Achilles heel. I prefer a good slider or changeup or even a slurve to the curveball. I tend to get rid of my 3-pitch relievers that throw a curveball as 1 of the pitches and if their other 2 pitches are a fastball and a changeup. my biggest problem with the curve is when I do throw it in the zone, I'm always afraid I'll accidentally hang it high
                But hanging a pitch can happen with any pitch. Change up, Slider, any pitch, not just a curve. Can't be afraid to throw a curve in a fastball count. If you only throw it in predictable counts, the CPU will start to look for it.

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                • Caulfield
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 10986

                  #23
                  Re: Ineffective curveballs

                  Originally posted by ktd1976
                  But hanging a pitch can happen with any pitch. Change up, Slider, any pitch, not just a curve. Can't be afraid to throw a curve in a fastball count. If you only throw it in predictable counts, the CPU will start to look for it.
                  perhaps I've just been fortunate but I've been punished for high curves more than other pitches. in any event, it's my least favorite pitch in the Show.
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                  • reyes the roof
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 11526

                    #24
                    Re: Ineffective curveballs

                    I tend to stay away from curveballs, I feel like I have the least amount of control over them. In my Mets franchise, Lugo and Betances are the only guys I use a curveball with for the most part

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                    • Rmiok222
                      MVP
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 3129

                      #25
                      Re: Ineffective curveballs

                      Originally posted by reyes the roof
                      I tend to stay away from curveballs, I feel like I have the least amount of control over them. In my Mets franchise, Lugo and Betances are the only guys I use a curveball with for the most part


                      Yeah that’s how I feel. It’s either hit or a really bad miss for me.


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                      • BigOscar
                        MVP
                        • May 2016
                        • 2971

                        #26
                        Re: Ineffective curveballs

                        Yeah I stay away from them tbh, as you just can't trust the pitching engine this year not to put it right down the middle, regardless of input. That's true of all pitches this year tbh, but the curve is the most likely to have it happen and the worst if it does happen. Even a perfect release curve aimed in the dirt might decide to catch an awful lot of plate, and if it does, it will probably leave the park.

                        Also, against the computer at least, sliders and changeups seem to be far more enticing, they lay off curves out of the zone a lot more than sliders, which they seem incapable of resisting.

                        The risk/reward just isn't there for curveballs imo, a fastball/slider/change combination just seems better than risking the curveball

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                        • Rmiok222
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 3129

                          #27
                          Re: Ineffective curveballs

                          Originally posted by BigOscar
                          Yeah I stay away from them tbh, as you just can't trust the pitching engine this year not to put it right down the middle, regardless of input. That's true of all pitches this year tbh, but the curve is the most likely to have it happen and the worst if it does happen. Even a perfect release curve aimed in the dirt might decide to catch an awful lot of plate, and if it does, it will probably leave the park.



                          Also, against the computer at least, sliders and changeups seem to be far more enticing, they lay off curves out of the zone a lot more than sliders, which they seem incapable of resisting.



                          The risk/reward just isn't there for curveballs imo, a fastball/slider/change combination just seems better than risking the curveball


                          Yeah you nailed it right on the head with every thing you said there.


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                          • reyes the roof
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 11526

                            #28
                            Re: Ineffective curveballs

                            Originally posted by Rmiok222
                            Yeah that’s how I feel. It’s either hit or a really bad miss for me.


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                            Yeah I can throw a slider for a strike right on the edge of the plate, but if I don’t aim a curveball way out of the zone it’s anybody’s guess where it is going to end up

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                            • snakes2007
                              Just started!
                              • Jun 2020
                              • 4

                              #29
                              Re: Ineffective curveballs

                              I play on pulse pitching with HOF difficulty. I’ve always preferred the slider for put away pitches. I’ve actually had success throwing normal curveballs for strikes early in the count, I can’t do that with 12-6 and sweeping. As long as the pitcher has some decent control on it I can get curveballs for strikes on the inner half of the plate.

                              I try not to throw consecutive curveballs. If I’m early county and get a curveball strike, I won’t push my luck risk the hitter waiting on one to crush it.

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                              • Unlucky 13
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 1707

                                #30
                                Re: Ineffective curveballs

                                It goes without saying that difficulty level of course effects everything. And if you play on a really hard setting, then I may not be able to relate. But I play on Veteran+, and have a lot of success using them vs the CPU.

                                With right handed pitchers, I only throw them aiming for the bottom left corner of the zone, or slightly outside. Almost always with two strikes. I mostly throw them vs RH batters, but will try them against leftys sometimes too.

                                With left handed pitchers, I almost never throw a curve vs a RH hitter. Either I'm no good at it, or its just too hard to do, but it results in a lot of homers given up. However, its an extremely effective pitch for me lefty on lefty, on either side of the plate. Sometimes, I'll even try and sneak one in early in the count to get a free strike.
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