PS5 and MLB20 is Smooth As Butter, But next Year?

[DavidPuddy]

so, not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but now that PS5 is running at 60fps @ 4k HDR, 'Sharper' details what about next year? My thought is, if they further improve graphics, add ray tracing, etc. we're back to where we ended with the PS4, having to run maximum 30fps with all the eye candy on the PS5 and we'll have the same complaints again. My guess is we won't see 60fps with RT on, better graphics etc until PS6? It's like we're in a never ending cycle where we're always trying to play catch up.

That said, loving the PS5 and the current gen MLB, it's so smooth at 4k, maximum details but next year could be the same ball game as the PS4. It might look better but at the cost of that butter smooth framerate even on PS5. What do you think?

[Archie56]

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so, not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but now that PS5 is running at 60fps @ 4k HDR, 'Sharper' details what about next year? My thought is, if they further improve graphics, add ray tracing, etc. we're back to where we ended with the PS4, having to run maximum 30fps with all the eye candy on the PS5 and we'll have the same complaints again. My guess is we won't see 60fps with RT on, better graphics etc until PS6? It's like we're in a never ending cycle where we're always trying to play catch up.



That said, loving the PS5 and the current gen MLB, it's so smooth at 4k, maximum details but next year could be the same ball game as the PS4. It might look better but at the cost of that butter smooth framerate even on PS5. What do you think?

My thoughts are that The Show doesn't really need ray tracing. Just my two cents but I'd rather have smoother gameplay than ray tracing.

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[baseballguy99]

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Good post, I totally thought about this.. honestly they need to keep it as smooth as it is now, it makes a HUGE difference to the experience. Worth sacrificing some visuals IMO

[DavidPuddy]

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My thoughts are that The Show doesn't really need ray tracing. Just my two cents but I'd rather have smoother gameplay than ray tracing.

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yea, not sure how important RT is on a sports games but even if they add more details to stadiums, and textures and animations to the players etc. I'm hoping it won't come at the cost of that smooth framerate we have now.

[DavidPuddy]

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Good post, I totally thought about this.. honestly they need to keep it as smooth as it is now, it makes a HUGE difference to the experience. Worth sacrificing some visuals IMO

yes, hope they can keep it like this even if they can add even more realism to the graphics but that's always ends up being the problem.

It's like with the remake of spiderman and demons souls, they added more detail to the graphics and ray tracing, and they look amazing, but then you're back to 30fps. What we really want is RT On, amazing next gen graphics, 4k hdr @ 60fps, hahaha.

By the time PS6 comes out, then we'll be talking about 8k then the cycle continues all over again.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Curious how the older versions will look.

I've gone back to '17 for Season mode. (which was the first year of HDR, as I recall) won't know how it looks until Tuesday.

[jrnlgrn]

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The PS4/PS4 Pro have basically pushed as far as they are going to go. That's why it actually runs well on the PS5 since it's more powerful. Unlike the switch from PS3 to PS4 the systems aren't completely different hence the reason we can get backwards compatible games on PS5. So instead of learning from scratch veteran dev teams basically have 7 years of experience in a similar environment. A game built specifically for the PS5 should have no problems looking good and running smoothly.

[Culture Rot]

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I remember how they would talk about how once Ps3 rolled around load times would be non existent. They got worse. I remember they said once PS4 rolled around they would be much improved. They got worse. As others have said, it’s an endless cycle. Instead of optimizing the game, they build more and more on top.

[bcruise]

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Yeah, this is the million dollar question right now. For those of us who have now seen a version of The Show running virtually flawlessly at its highest settings, what happens when the graphics get taken up another level? Performance is almost certain to take a hit - the question is how much? Even a little bit of frame drop is going to stand out a lot to those of us who have played '20 on PS5.

2K still does 30 FPS in it's off-play scenes while maintaining 60 FPS in gameplay, in next-gen 2K21 from what I've seen - I really don't doubt it's going to be a similar situation with the next version of the Show. I'm just praying for no framerate issues during gameplay - that's always the main concern for me.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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To me, I think 4K 60FPS is now the standard moving forward, so to answer your question, yes, I think the game will be just as smooth in the MLB The Show 21 for PS5.

PS4 was never meant to run 4K 60FPS. The new console (PS5) is easily running the ‘Sharper’ mode. There’s plenty of room to grow with that power, it’s not like the PS5 is barely running MLB 20 at 60FPS.

[TNKNGM]

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What TV are you using, I have a Sony 900e and with HDR on, my picture is considerably darker than with HDR off. I did not have this issue with my PS4 Pro? Any suggestions?

I had this 65" Sony 4k HDR TV and honestly the HDR sucked, I played with HDR off and any 4K content from Verizon FIOS with HDR looked dim and not good

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900c#page-top

I just bought this 65" LG OLED and oh my god the difference is absolutely night and day.....television shows, movies, 4K content and most impprtantly gaming is 100x better

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/bx-oled

I will never buy anything other than a LG in the near future.....the BX is the same as CX just has 2 HDMI 2.1 port instead of 4

If you want to get the right TV for PS5 - look here

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/ps5

[TripleCrown]

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don't forget PS5 is a beast. By experience, at our studio i can tell you it takes a good 2-3yrs to fully exploit all the tricks a console can deliver.

Current version is not optimized for a PS5. it is running in semi-emulation mode. Wait until we start to see a fully PS5 compiled version. See by example the first iterations of MLB on PS4 versus the last one. Day and night on same hardware.

I've seen some tech demo our team have done so far on the PS5 and can tell you I'm impressed. If some want an idea...Google for PS5 Unreal Engine 5 Tech Demo

What is impressive with the PS5 is his built-in architecture and the efficiency of how the CPU-GPU and RAM is accessed. This is why right now our current game in dev is running smoother on PS5 vs the new Xbox.

[LankyRyan]

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It'll be interesting to see how the PS5 responds to actual 120Hz games when they start coming out. My worry is developers will over-engineer games just because they "can", similar to what's happened so far with every other next generation console.

[bcruise]

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So far at least, the next-gen offerings that are already out use a "mixed frame rate" mode that allows gameplay to be 60 frames per second, but drops to 30 FPS in the cutscenes.

Watch this vid at 11:57 to basically the end if you want a very good explanation of what's happening. If you can't see it with your eyes, at least look at the numbers and the chart - it's a rare opportunity to see Digital Foundry doing their thing with a sports game. And, although this video only focuses on NBA, I've seen Madden and FIFA behave the same way regarding in-gameplay vs. cutscenes.

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This is what I expect the Show to do as well as a tradeoff for next-gen level visuals, but I hope I'm wrong.

[jrnlgrn]

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Assuming they want to make cutscenes at 60fps I think '21 might have a leg up compared to the other sports titles. The other games needed to push out their titles close to launch of the next gen. So maybe corners were cut and dropping to 30 fps was the best option.

It would be nice if the cutscenes could be rendered in realtime without sacrificing performance though.