Help Navigating New RTTS

[ChaseB]

Re: Help Navigating New RTTS

2K gives you a skip story option.

You can finally skip cutscenes, but the single-player story is still there. You're also gated if you try to go online right away. All these modes come with some trash drawbacks out of the box.

[itsmb8]

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Sorry for the rant, Chase was 100% correct in removing it. But damn, you can't help but feel hopeless when EVERY SINGLE sports game is focusing almost their entire development to the pay-to-win trading card modes or E-Sports. RTTS, March to October, and probably even Franchise(?) all tied to DD in some way.

The beginning tutorial is also a terrible move, IMO. The first couple games are still a part of your "pro career." 2K doesnt make your first couple NBA games a "tutorial" to the mode. And how in the world do you even remove the option to actually get drafted from your career mode?

Spoiler

Bottom line, they completely gutted this mode in order to push people to DD and give them more money.

[ChaseB]

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Sorry for the rant, Chase was 100% correct in removing it. But damn, you can't help but feel hopeless when EVERY SINGLE sports game is focusing almost their entire development to the pay-to-win trading card modes or E-Sports. RTTS, March to October, and probably even Franchise(?) all tied to DD in some way.

The beginning tutorial is also a terrible move, IMO. The first couple games are still a part of your "pro career." 2K doesnt make your first couple NBA games a "tutorial" to the mode. And how in the world do you even remove the option to actually get drafted from your career mode?

Spoiler

Bottom line, they completely gutted this mode in order to push people to DD and give them more money.

Again, you start out this 2K choosing to play 2 or 3 high school games. That's a tutorial. Every 2K game starts you out more or less in this fashion as you build your initial dude and decide what you want to do to some extent. Then there's generally a rather gated story mode for your first year before it expands out further to just playing games. If you just head online, that's a separate thing now where you are stuck in Rookieville before being able to go to The City.

I 100 percent understand the desire to immediately go to the money-grab thing, but this to some extent just has to do with trying to tie every mode together so peeps check out every mode. It's what 2K tries to do, it's what Madden tries to do now. They want people touching every part of the game as these these games continue to just get bigger and bigger -- and as much as maybe peeps want to do deny it, they do get more and more complex. Their reasons are more than just money going this route, albeit money obviously is delightful and nice.

[itsmb8]

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Again, you start out this 2K choosing to play 2 or 3 high school games. That's a tutorial. Every 2K game starts you out more or less in this fashion as you build your initial dude and decide what you want to do to some extent. Then there's generally a rather gated story mode for your first year before it expands out further to just playing games. If you just head online, that's a separate thing now where you are stuck in Rookieville before being able to go to The City.

I 100 percent understand the desire to immediately go to the money-grab thing, but this to some extent just has to do with trying to tie every mode together so peeps check out every mode. It's what 2K tries to do, it's what Madden tries to do now. They want people touching every part of the game as these these games continue to just get bigger and bigger -- and as much as maybe peeps want to do deny it, they do get more and more complex. Their reasons are more than just money going this route, albeit money obviously is delightful and nice.

Its not the tutorial in general that I, or probably most, have an issue with. Its the fact that the tutorial is your first couple minor league games. They HAD it 100% correct with the combine and showcase. Those were your tutorial into hitting, pitching, and fielding, and the showcase was your in-game tutorial as youre trying to build your draft stock. Now you completely skip that, dont even get drafted, and it becomes a "hey, lets teach you about your career options as your career is already underway."

[ChaseB]

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Its not the tutorial in general that I, or probably most, have an issue with. Its the fact that the tutorial is your first couple minor league games. They HAD it 100% correct with the combine and showcase. Those were your tutorial into hitting, pitching, and fielding, and the showcase was your in-game tutorial as youre trying to build your draft stock. Now you completely skip that, dont even get drafted, and it becomes a "hey, lets teach you about your career options as your career is already underway."

Yeah, for sure, I get the problems with not having Showcase and all that. That's my point that I don't think the two-way thing is even really worth talking about as the issue or the symptom. It's a byproduct maybe, but it's not the beef people really have, yet I think it's getting too much airtime still.

[zello144]

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Again, you start out this 2K choosing to play 2 or 3 high school games. That's a tutorial. Every 2K game starts you out more or less in this fashion as you build your initial dude and decide what you want to do to some extent. Then there's generally a rather gated story mode for your first year before it expands out further to just playing games. If you just head online, that's a separate thing now where you are stuck in Rookieville before being able to go to The City.

After the first cutscene you have a skip story option and can immediately start your career. Same thing in Last gen and last gen doesn't even have rookieville so you can go play park games right away.

[ChaseB]

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After the first cutscene you have a skip story option and can immediately start your career. Same thing in Last gen and last gen doesn't even have rookieville so you can go play park games right away.

Mate, I'm aware. I'm saying that wouldn't cure the issues people have here though either.

(Plus, we have to, ya know, ignore that 2K is the most egregious offender when it comes to microtransactions for its career mode.)

[aj102404]

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So I took the day off work and played an entire RTTS season today, the same as I always do when this game comes out. For the first time I bought stubs as I wasn’t progressing for feces halfway through the season, I was at 58 before the All Star Break.

I did make it to the majors by the end of the season but feel pretty empty compared to previous years. Finished with a 71 pitcher rating and a 63 3B rating. I can’t get progression on the main perk load out, it doesn’t work or isn’t playing nice because I alter sliders. Normally tomorrow I’d be starting on season 2, this year I’m moving onto another game. I’ll come back if they patch in some changes but I doubt it happens.

This whole tie every damn sports game to online and microtransactions has killed my joy for the segment. I’d pay $500 for an MLB The Show that had the Two Way player option with the old training points system and an updated roster.

[jeffy777]

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I mean it's like two games of you being a two-way player and then you can just decide what position you want to be. It's a weird hang up with something as trivial as a a built-in tutorial to the mode so everyone can start from the same spot. If people want to be mad about only having "one" ballplayer rather than multiple saves etc. I get that, but this two-way thing is mostly a non-issue after the tutorial ends. It seems like it's being wrapped up in the other beefs people have with the RTTS changes, but I wouldn't even really point to it as a symptom of a larger problem, it's just a pretty standard tutorial-style intro like we basically get in most career modes.

Every 2K career mode starts with an intro and so on before you can branch out a bit more etc.

I get ya. Thanks for sharing your take on it. All I have to go on is impressions at this point so it's helpful to get more clarity.

[dalger21]

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They want people touching every part of the game as these these games continue to just get bigger and bigger -- and as much as maybe peeps want to do deny it, they do get more and more complex. Their reasons are more than just money going this route, albeit money obviously is delightful and nice.

Here is my issue with this: I buy TS ever year for one mode - RttS. I have zero interest in DD, BR, and all of the other modes. If I am going to drop my coin on their product, I want to play the game my way as I have done in the past 12 iterations of TS. I don’t care about all of the other modes. Let me have my own fun without feeling like I am being pushed to play DD or whatever.

[GruffyMcGuiness]

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So I didn’t pre order this year because it’s coming out on Game Pass and I’m an Xbox guy first. If I’m reading things correctly, you get no XP if you make changes to the sliders in RTTS? Embarrassingly enough, I always adjust the sliders so I become a god on the diamond. I enjoy putting on my music, relaxing, and mindlessly crushing dingers every other at bat. Does this incorporation with DD (that I have zero interest in ever playing) mean that I have to play RTTS the way SDS wants me to play it?

[loungefly85]

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I mean it's like two games of you being a two-way player and then you can just decide what position you want to be. It's a weird hang up with something as trivial as a a built-in tutorial to the mode so everyone can start from the same spot. If people want to be mad about only having "one" ballplayer rather than multiple saves etc. I get that, but this two-way thing is mostly a non-issue after the tutorial ends. It seems like it's being wrapped up in the other beefs people have with the RTTS changes, but I wouldn't even really point to it as a symptom of a larger problem, it's just a pretty standard tutorial-style intro like we basically get in most career modes.

Every 2K career mode starts with an intro and so on before you can branch out a bit more etc.

Yeah. I think by now people have figured out the forced 2 way beginning of RTTS. I’m sure most us of have beaned enough batters to prove we don’t want to pitch.

I think our problem is they decided to include their little card game in game modes that people play without any intention of playing their little casino game of stubs.

TLDR: We’re tired of card games and stubs interfering in our game modes.

It has literally come to the point where it is killing everything else.

[ChaseB]

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Here is my issue with this: I buy TS ever year for one mode - RttS. I have zero interest in DD, BR, and all of the other modes. If I am going to drop my coin on their product, I want to play the game my way as I have done in the past 12 iterations of TS. I don’t care about all of the other modes. Let me have my own fun without feeling like I am being pushed to play DD or whatever.

And I wouldn't disagree with you, I'm just pointing out a general trend.

[Dolenz]

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So I didn’t pre order this year because it’s coming out on Game Pass and I’m an Xbox guy first. If I’m reading things correctly, you get no XP if you make changes to the sliders in RTTS? Embarrassingly enough, I always adjust the sliders so I become a god on the diamond. I enjoy putting on my music, relaxing, and mindlessly crushing dingers every other at bat. Does this incorporation with DD (that I have zero interest in ever playing) mean that I have to play RTTS the way SDS wants me to play it?

Pretty much.

Hell, I will admit that I gave up on the mode mostly when they added archetypes. It was a fun casual mode for me. If I played enough and earned enough training points I'd raise all my stats to 99 and become a baseball god.

Hey remember a few years ago when everybody praised SDS for taking the ability to buy training points with stubs out of the game (ignoring the fact that they simply replaced it with equipment). Now you are absolutely required to spend stubs on equipment and perk cards if you want to be the best.

[loungefly85]

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RTTS is ruined because of the online nonsense. End of story.