Re: Lighting - Too Dark?

[RCMSfan77]

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I made some adjustments by raising the black level and lowering the contrast on my TV; and then I compared various stadiums mentioned in this thread and compared it with a few FIFA stadiums. I now have both games looking very good on the same TV settings. With that said, The Show lighting in general seems a tad off on the PS5.

[Blzer]

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That looks too dark.

Skylines, on the other hand, may want to be dark because they're outside of the stadium and aren't going to be captured very well because of the ambient light inside of the ballpark. Look at Pirates home games at night to see what I mean.

[SmashMan]

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The more I play and see, the more I...just don’t know if it’s a bug or design choice.

I really like the darker crowd so part of me hopes design choice, but then you see the night lighting in some of the closed-roof stadiums or that many stadium elements (seen most recently here with the out of town boards in the KC pics) aren’t lit at all, and I’m thinking it’s a bug.

So now I’m just hoping they can fix the bugs while also leaving the darker crowds. I didn’t really notice how unnaturally bright everything in the stadium was in previous games until seeing the current lighting in 21.

[cvantu]

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The more I play and see, the more I...just don’t know if it’s a bug or design choice.

I really like the darker crowd so part of me hopes design choice, but then you see the night lighting in some of the closed-roof stadiums or that many stadium elements (seen most recently here with the out of town boards in the KC pics) aren’t lit at all, and I’m thinking it’s a bug.

So now I’m just hoping they can fix the bugs while also leaving the darker crowds. I didn’t really notice how unnaturally bright everything in the stadium was in previous games until seeing the current lighting in 21.

i think it is neither a bug or a design choice. I think it's just the lighting system in place that seems to work well in some stadiums and not so much in others. Maybe an oversight in some instance.

[LastActionHero]

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Same problen occurred with the switch to ps4 so definitely a bug in which the lighting engine is not working properly in some stadiums.

Hopefully they can patch this. Knowing the stadiums in stadium creator can only be used in daytime maybe they’re having some trouble with the lighting engine at night overal.

[cvantu]

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Same problen occurred with the switch to ps4 so definitely a bug in which the lighting engine is not working properly in some stadiums.

Hopefully they can patch this. Knowing the stadiums in stadium creator can only be used in daytime maybe they’re having some trouble with the lighting engine at night overal.

Very plausible.

[Vercingetirex]

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Some shots from a game I just played at Kansas City last night

That looks way too dark. Has anyone submitted this as an issue to the devs?

[Ratbones80]

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Yeah I submitted a bug to SDS for this issue Friday night. Hopefully this gets patched soon.

[Ed21]

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Some shots from a game I just played at Kansas City last night

I actually don’t have a problem with this. Yeah it looks quite dark but I think this is probably quite an accurate representation of how the baseball field and outfield looks from a hitters perspective.

The lights shining towards you are always gonna make objects under that light appear darker (such as the outfield fans and water falls in this example, being directly below the big flood lights).

[mjfootball]

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I actually don’t have a problem with this. Yeah it looks quite dark but I think this is probably quite an accurate representation of how the baseball field and outfield looks from a hitters perspective.

The lights shining towards you are always gonna make objects under that light appear darker (such as the outfield fans and water falls in this example, being directly below the big flood lights).

I think this is important for people to understand. Even if it is a "bug", this is what any stadium looks like from field level when attempting to look up into an upper deck with stadium light banks shining back at you from the field level. You see it more in NFL stadiums, but my guess is it is the same with this from the batter's view looking outward.

[brianski71]

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Nevermind the lighting for a minute. Xbox player here, I haven't played The Show in years. But, my God do certain colors always look this off? The color palette seems to be a trainwreck. I'm a Pirates fan and almost can't even use them on the game (nevermind how awful they are). Why are they a dull yellow instead of vibrant gold? I noticed the Padres have the same problem. I remember Madden had the same problem for years, they could never seem to get the Steelers gold right. I'm playing in HDR and their colors aren't even close to right. And it's not my tv. The Steelers look perfect on Madden in HDR. The Penguins look perfect on NHL, obviously not HDR. Even the Pirates look perfectly fine on RBI 21 on my Switch in ugly 1080P. I can't believe that a "next gen" video game can't manage to display the color gold.

[Blzer]

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Nevermind the lighting for a minute. Xbox player here, I haven't played The Show in years. But, my God do certain colors always look this off? The color palette seems to be a trainwreck. I'm a Pirates fan and almost can't even use them on the game (nevermind how awful they are). Why are they a dull yellow instead of vibrant gold? I noticed the Padres have the same problem. I remember Madden had the same problem for years, they could never seem to get the Steelers gold right. I'm playing in HDR and their colors aren't even close to right. And it's not my tv. The Steelers look perfect on Madden in HDR. The Penguins look perfect on NHL, obviously not HDR. Even the Pirates look perfectly fine on RBI 21 on my Switch in ugly 1080P. I can't believe that a "next gen" video game can't manage to display the color gold.

What's likely happening is they have the right "hex code" for the color, but their use of PBR (physically-based rendering, basically the type of material that is used and how lighting is affected by it) probably mutates the color in a way that makes it not the color we'd want it to appear as. I know this was always a problem for the walls in Chase Field for a time, and by all means it may still be.

[Bravescountry123]

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The lighting in Minnesota during the frank thomas moment from the broadcast view is awful

[knucklecutter]

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What's likely happening is they have the right "hex code" for the color, but their use of PBR (physically-based rendering, basically the type of material that is used and how lighting is affected by it) probably mutates the color in a way that makes it not the color we'd want it to appear as. I know this was always a problem for the walls in Chase Field for a time, and by all means it may still be.

Not so much of the pbr shaders, but the specular maps attached to them usually causes the colors to shift. Although that may very well have nothing to do with it in this game.

[brahmagoul]

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To me, it's the city backdrops. It's like there's a power outage in town. I've played in Cleveland and Chicago and it's the lack of lights outside the stadium that are jarring to me. I don't -- or barely -- see the buildings.