MLB The Show 21 Check Swings - Love it or Hate it?

[countryboy]

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I have the game but still waiting for my ps5 to be delivered. I use manage mode exclusively. Will a good discipline attribute rating help with this issue or does it afflict every player?

I'm not sure its really an issue because prior to '21 being able to hold up on a check swing for me personally was far too easy. It would be an extremely rare occurrence for a check swing to be ruled a strike.

With that said, the discipline rating attribute still determines how successful an AI controlled hitter is at check swinging.

Higher the discipline rating the better they will be at holding up on a swing.

[mattynokes]

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I really love the gameplay, except for this. I can agree that it was too easy to check swing last year, but I don't agree with how difficult it is this year and that there's a rating that has no effect on human controlled players. It seems a lot of these issues that us Franchise players have (i.e. rocket bunts) could be solved with online gameplay tuning settings. Yet they always appease the online crowd and give the Franchise players the shaft.

[zukes]

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Definitely needs to be somewhere between last year and this year. Gone from almost always able to check swing to near impossible.

[PVarck31]

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This is really bothering me now. Playing my franchise and I've been used to the old system and being able to check my swing when I felt it warranted it in past iterations.

Now I feel like I have much less control and also feel like I'm striking out too often because of it.

I hope they at least adjust it a bit.

And Armor is right. I'm a former varsity high school umpire. It is subjective. There really is no imaginary "plane." It's about you deciding if there was intent to swing or not. We were basically taught in umpiring school in Ohio that it's basically did he swing or not. You have to make that judgement call.

[dubplate]

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This is really bothering me now. Playing my franchise and I've been used to the old system and being able to check my swing when I felt it warranted it in past iterations.

Now I feel like I have much less control and also feel like I'm striking out too often because of it.

I hope they at least adjust it a bit.

And Armor is right. I'm a former varsity high school umpire. It is subjective. There really is no imaginary "plane." It's about you deciding if there was intent to swing or not. We were basically taught in umpiring school in Ohio that it's basically did he swing or not. You have to make that judgement call.

I am right there with you. They need to do some fine-tuning.

[HBKSean216]

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It's good that they have worked on them being called but they are HORRIFICALLY inaccurate. The bat will barely move and the ump will say I went to far. Then the little feedback box will show my bat basically doing a 3/4 swing lmao. Literally my player does basically a little shoulder hesitation. Not even exaggerating. There's like 3 different animations for checks and there is no consistency in calling them. It's basically random if they'll call it a swing or not.

[countryboy]

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Personally I hope they leave them as they are. I feel like the balance is great between being able to check a swing and unable to hold up.

The feedback in the box, I don't pay any attention to, because on check swings it will show that the ball was in a different spot in the zone, so I'm not sure the swing feedback on check swings is working properly.

This is with using zone hitting and after having played nearly 100 full games thus far, for disclosure.

[knucklecutter]

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The problem is that your personally ability to check / the players ability to check has nothing to do with user / player skill assuming the inputs are correct. The ability to check is tied to the distance of the ball compared to home plate.

Imagine you draw a line from the pitcher to home plate... It's basically that a 3rd of the way to home from the pitcher is checkable with no issue (shoulder flinch / you started swinging way too early anyway), the middle way portion is a grey area that could go either way ( with the possibility to ask the ump / this is ok timing wise) and once the ball gets within a certain range of the batter it's impossible to check ( you were never going to hit the ball anyway but you should still be able to prevent the player from committing to swinging all the way through).

The issue is amplified with faster pitch speeds because you have so little time to react. It's borderline impossible to check on higher difficulties with faster pitch speeds using directional hitting because the cards are stacked against you. If you're early you can check but if you're late it won't let you even try to check.

[canes21]

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It's good that they have worked on them being called but they are HORRIFICALLY inaccurate. The bat will barely move and the ump will say I went to far. Then the little feedback box will show my bat basically doing a 3/4 swing lmao. Literally my player does basically a little shoulder hesitation. Not even exaggerating. There's like 3 different animations for checks and there is no consistency in calling them. It's basically random if they'll call it a swing or not.

The feedback box isn't a 1 to 1 replay of what actually happened. If it is called a strike then the feedback is just going to play an animation showing you went around. If it is said you held up then it plays one showing you held up. It doesn't actually "remember" what you did and replay the actual bat motion.

[deamon93]

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The feedback box isn't a 1 to 1 replay of what actually happened. If it is called a strike then the feedback is just going to play an animation showing you went around. If it is said you held up then it plays one showing you held up. It doesn't actually "remember" what you did and replay the actual bat motion.

just fyi: I can remember that at least 1 time when I got a called strike, the animation showed i didn't break homeplate, so would've been a ball. it still wasn't accurate compared to my actual swing, but i found it a nice feature they displayed the difference between the call and the swing.
But as you said, it doesn't replay the actual bat motion.

[countryboy]

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The feedback box isn't a 1 to 1 replay of what actually happened. If it is called a strike then the feedback is just going to play an animation showing you went around. If it is said you held up then it plays one showing you held up. It doesn't actually "remember" what you did and replay the actual bat motion.

That's not always true.

Plenty of times I've held up and the replay box shows that I went around and vice versa.

I don't think the swing feedback is working properly on checked swings, because it will often times show the pitch placement in a completely different area than the ball was actually located.

[bronxbombers21325]

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It still isn’t balanced. Before strikes were never called on check swings, now they’re nearly always called.

[knich1]

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It still isn’t balanced. Before strikes were never called on check swings, now they’re nearly always called.

I have had several checked swings called strikes by 1st or 3rd base ump. Very frustrating! I can live with these calls if it is built in to umps imperfections. But given how sensitive checked swings are this year, I would like to see a higher percentage of checked swings be correct calls.

That said, I have also gotten the benefit of no swing on some calls I clearly didn't check.

[HBKSean216]

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Anyone else notice the umpire mouth just starts moving all over after they make the call....

[Armor and Sword]

MLB The Show 21 Check Swings - Love it or Hate it?

It still isn’t balanced. Before strikes were never called on check swings, now they’re nearly always called.

Using the word “never” is simply not true.

I use directional hitting as a point of reference (HOF hitting). Strikes are certainly called on MLB 20 and I have hundreds of hours of streams that show it.