How Terrible Is the Trade Logic?!

[jtott]

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Not funny, I'm a Rockies fan lol

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[Friar Fanatic]

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Have you SEEN the stupid deals that happen in real baseball?

Did you SEE what Nolan Arenado got traded for?

Did you SEE that the ROCKIES paid the CARDINALS fifty million dollars to take him?

In real life, GMs and owners are idiots. That's reflected in the game.

The Rockies got better value in that Trade than the Cardinals did.

Pics or it didn’t happen, I call BS ����*♂️


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These do happen if you play around with it enough. As the Padres I offered Tommy Pham and Adrian Morejon and the Blue jays were willing to give me Vlad Jr., Teoscar Hernanez, and some C pot prospect

I use self imposed trade restrictions which allow some trades but not enough to develop an elite team in exchange for peanuts.

Even number of players traded on both teams. Single player trades must be same position or cpu team position of need on the trading block. Multiple player trades must be equal number of players and the highest rated player on the cpu team must be on the trading block.

There is more to it but trust me it's not going to allow for a bunch of rip off trades.

Having said that I do not have mlbts21 yet. Waiting on a ps5 console if and when one becomes available at a reasonable price. It's amazing they can land a helicopter on Mars but can't produce ps5 consoles on Earth.

You can use this website too. https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

If I personally put myself in the shoes of the opposing team's GM and ask if I would be happy with this return. It's no fun ripping off the CPU for good players. If people want that, you can just edit your own players to whatever you want lol.

[The_Subspace_Mariner]

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Ok, buddy. I don't do pics, but here's what's still on my transaction backlog 2 games into year 2.

Got RF Luis Robert from White Sox for SP JC Cloney, 3B Darin Maddox, and SP Steven Gingery.

Got SS Bobby Witt Jr from the Mets for CF Lolo Sanchez, RP Evan Steele and CF Daz Cameron.

Got SS Tommy Edman from the Cardinals for SP Tommy Wilson and SS Raynel Delgado.

Got SS Wander Franco and C Francicso Mejia from the Rays for RF Nomar Mazara, CF Justin Dean and SS Michael Aochi.

Got 2B Ozzie Albies and SP Mike Soroka from the Braves for 1B Jared Walsh, SS Migeul Rojas and 3B Bryan Stephens.

And Jared Walsh was in the Trout trade in the offseason, which also included Ohtani. I **** you not.

You don't have to believe it, but it's true. Pics or not.

Yeah...there's no way I'm buying those trades without pics.

[tessl]

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I'm sure trade logic is difficult to program but I also am sure a lot of parents buy this game for their kids and the kids want to rip off the cpu teams which may be a factor in why trades can be easily made.

If you use the same self imposed trade restrictions I use then you wouldn't think it is easy to make trades.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Playing on PS5. I'm waiting for full minors rosters, so haven't started a Franchise yet, but thought I'd poke around it to take my first look. Used the Royals. After looking around, I tried the Trade Finder. Put RF Jorge Solar (C) and SP Danny Duffy (C) up for trade to see what they would fetch. LOOK at what the computer is offering in return ...

BOS - Rafael Devers
NYY - Jasson Dominguez
TB - Tyler Glasnow
TB - Austin Meadows
DET - Akil Baddoo
MIN - Royce Lewis
HOU - Kyle Tucker
SEA - Julio Rodriguez
ATL - Christian Pache
SD - Chris Paddack
SD - McKenzie Gore

I thought SDS said in the lead ups to this release that they were re-evaluating trade logic and putting more value on young elite talent?!

You can literally get any player you want via trade for virtually nothing. I EASILY had a deal in place for Mike Trout. This is absolutely insane.

And I would argue that there is not a single sports game in the market that has trade logic AI worth investing time in. Zero. Not even OOTP or NBA2K.

If I ever platt any franchise mode, I just turn trading off. It’s not worth the headaches.

[Rocket32]

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And I would argue that there is not a single sports game in the market that has trade logic AI worth investing time in. Zero. Not even OOTP or NBA2K.

If I ever platt any franchise mode, I just turn trading off. It’s not worth the headaches.

I’ve pretty much just accepted that trade logic in sports video games is never going be where we want it to be, at least not anytime soon. Either it’s too difficult to program for now, or it takes so much time to make significant progress on with every game launching yearly that no developer sees it as worth the investment.

We’ll probably always have to police ourselves to some extent for a realistic experience, you’ll probably always be able to rob the CPU and exploit it if that’s what the player aims to do. I keep my expectations low when devs start talking about ‘improved trade logic’.

[JayhawkerStL]

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I’ve pretty much just accepted that trade logic in sports video games is never going be where we want it to be, at least not anytime soon. Either it’s too difficult to program for now, or it takes so much time to make significant progress on with every game launching yearly that no developer sees it as worth the investment.

We’ll probably always have to police ourselves to some extent for a realistic experience, you’ll probably always be able to rob the CPU and exploit it if that’s what the player aims to do. I keep my expectations low when devs start talking about ‘improved trade logic’.

Exactly. Same goes for the AI adjusting lineups, making roster moves, and cutting and signing players.

[JoeRodgers1175]

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How is the CPU-CPU trade logic? That’s actually more important to me because I can control my own trades (try to keep them fair, and at the deadline try to only do deals with teams that are not contending and may be selling.)

[thedudedominick]

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I haven't messed around much with manual trades, but the trade finder seemed to be giving fair returns on the players I was putting on it. Maybe you can steal players by manipulating the value in your favor, but it's really easy to just not do that if you want a realistic franchise.

I haven't played enough to see if the CPU/CPU logic is good though. If it is then the user abuse doesn't really scare me much.


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[BrianM207]

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Also, in '20, the default rosters were horribly balanced so the couch would trade with itself due to positions of need and the results were not good.

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[LegendKillerOne]

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This is why I do 30 team control

[Gagnon39]

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I run 30 team control and I’m just going to do all my traders manually.


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[Fuimus Troes]

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Yeah...there's no way I'm buying those trades without pics.

OK. Suit yourself.

But I always do a test franchise or two to test out trade logic, and this is what you can get.

Why wouldn't you believe? What do I have to gain by making this up? That's comical. I'm in my 40's. I have no interest in trolling people on a video game message board.

[CujoMatty]

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OK. Suit yourself.

But I always do a test franchise or two to test out trade logic, and this is what you can get.

Why wouldn't you believe? What do I have to gain by making this up? That's comical. I'm in my 40's. I have no interest in trolling people on a video game message board.

if it helps, I believe you. Mainly because I've seen the same terrible trades when I "shop" a player.

[The_Subspace_Mariner]

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OK. Suit yourself.

But I always do a test franchise or two to test out trade logic, and this is what you can get.

Why wouldn't you believe? What do I have to gain by making this up? That's comical. I'm in my 40's. I have no interest in trolling people on a video game message board.

Because I haven't seen a single trade offer remotely similar to the ones you're posting. Shoot, I used suggest trade to try and replicate your trades, haven't gotten the offer. Tried manually offering the players, haven't gotten the trade done.