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  • Mackrel829
    MVP
    • Mar 2019
    • 1261

    #16
    Re: OBPS

    Originally posted by ktd1976
    No, it is not. It literally measures the number of bases, in a percentage, that a player gets per at bat. It removes walks, hit by pitches, etc. It only goes by the at bats in which a player gets a hit, or makes an out.

    The formula for slugging percentage is literally total bases from hits divided by at bats. (1B+2B*2 + 3B*3 + HR*4)/AB

    It is a literal percentage of bases per at bat.
    I'm not exactly sure what a weighted average but it occurred to me that slugging can, at the very least, be considered X percentage. .500 would mean you'd take 50% of a base each at bat, for example.

    Slugging can be above 1.000 though, correct? You can't really take 120% of a base per at bat, but you can take 1.2 bases.

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    • ExarKub00720
      Rookie
      • Apr 2021
      • 117

      #17
      Re: OBPS

      Originally posted by ktd1976
      No, it is not. It literally measures the number of bases, in a percentage, that a player gets per at bat. It removes walks, hit by pitches, etc. It only goes by the at bats in which a player gets a hit, or makes an out.

      The formula for slugging percentage is literally total bases from hits divided by at bats. (1B+2B*2 + 3B*3 + HR*4)/AB

      It is a literal percentage of bases per at bat.
      No it literally is not. A percentage tells you how often you do something, where as the formula for slugging is telling you the average.

      If you even look up the definition for slugging percentage most sites will tell you it’s named incorrectly.

      “The name is a misnomer, as the statistic is not a percentage but an average of how many bases a player achieves per at bat. It is a scale of measure whose computed value is a number from 0 to 4.”



      “ While the name of the stat is “slugging percentage,” the name itself is slightly inaccurate, as it is a ratio, or a so-called “rate stat,” rather than a true percentage.”



      Sources like this can be found all over the internet. This is why is said it’s a weighted average which isn’t 100% correct either but it’s closer to what it is than a true percentage.

      In the end it simply tries to give people an idea of how often someone will hit XBH but it isn’t exactly a one to one percentage as the name implies.

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      • ktd1976
        MVP
        • Mar 2006
        • 1935

        #18
        Re: OBPS

        Originally posted by Mackrel829
        I'm not exactly sure what a weighted average but it occurred to me that slugging can, at the very least, be considered X percentage. .500 would mean you'd take 50% of a base each at bat, for example.

        Slugging can be above 1.000 though, correct? You can't really take 120% of a base per at bat, but you can take 1.2 bases.
        Slugging can be above 1.000 (or 100%) yes.

        120% of a base is the exact same as 1.2 bases. It is still a percent. It's not weighted.

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        • ExarKub00720
          Rookie
          • Apr 2021
          • 117

          #19
          Re: OBPS

          Originally posted by ktd1976
          Slugging can be above 1.000 (or 100%) yes.

          120% of a base is the exact same as 1.2 bases. It is still a percent. It's not weighted.
          That is literally average though. Just cause it is presented like .800 or 1.200 doesn’t mean it is a percentage. The weighted portion is cause each hit is worth more depending on how many bases.

          Think of it as GPA. A class that has 2 credit hours is weighted less than a class that has 4 credit hours. Each hour makes the GPA of that class with less or more. That is the same thing with slugging.

          How you use that numbers says that on average each at bat will have so many bases. If your slugging is .600 then each at bat you will get .6 bases. Could be more could be less, but that’s how average works vs percentage.

          A percentage tells you EXACTLY how often something happened. OBP is an exact number, they were on base literally 43.5% of the time for a .435 OBP.

          I know the numbers when we calculate look the same, but how they are used is not the same. One is telling you the exact frequency something occurs, ie percent and the other tells you an estimate of how many occurs per instance, ie the average.

          To think of slugging as a percentage, despite its name, gives it an incorrect view of what it really is.
          Last edited by ExarKub00720; 06-17-2021, 02:40 PM.

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          • Mackrel829
            MVP
            • Mar 2019
            • 1261

            #20
            Re: OBPS

            Originally posted by ExarKub00720
            That is literally average though. Just cause it is presented like .800 or 1.200 doesn’t mean it is a percentage. The weighted portion is cause each hit is worth more depending on how many bases.

            Think of it as GPA. A class that has 2 credit hours is weighted less than a class that has 4 credit hours. Each hour makes the GPA of that class with less or more. That is the same thing with slugging.

            How you use that numbers says that on average each at bat will have so many bases. If your slugging is .600 then each at bat you will get .6 bases. Could be more could be less, but that’s how average works vs percentage.

            A percentage tells you EXACTLY how often something happened. OBP is an exact number, they were on base literally 43.5% of the time for a .435 OBP.

            I know the numbers when we calculate look the same, but how they are used is not the same. One is telling you the exact frequency something occurs, ie percent and the other tells you an estimate of how many occurs per instance, ie the average.

            To think of slugging as a percentage, despite its name, gives it an incorrect view of what it really is.
            This is a useful explanation of a weighted average. I didn't have a secure understanding of what that was before but I feel like I do now.

            To the poster above, I understand that 120% and 1.2 are the same. You can't take 120% of a base though. Once you've taken 100%, there's nothing left to take. The number doesn't make sense as a percentage, and the quoted post explains how it does make sense as an average.

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            • ktd1976
              MVP
              • Mar 2006
              • 1935

              #21
              Re: OBPS

              Originally posted by Mackrel829
              This is a useful explanation of a weighted average. I didn't have a secure understanding of what that was before but I feel like I do now.

              To the poster above, I understand that 120% and 1.2 are the same. You can't take 120% of a base though. Once you've taken 100%, there's nothing left to take. The number doesn't make sense as a percentage, and the quoted post explains how it does make sense as an average.
              It does make sense as a percent though. Taking 1 base every at bat would be 100% Taking more than 1 base every at bat would be over 100%

              It is also NOT a weighted average. The hits don't matter. Total bases are what are being measured.

              Now, you can argue that it is an average, but it is still a percent.

              Look at it this way. A player with a .500 SLG. On average they are getting 1/2 base each at bat. That is 50%. It is still a percent.

              Just like Batting Average is an "average" but also a percent. Someone with a .330 batting average gets a hit 33% of the time.

              But, at any rate, it is NOT a weighted average. Because someone who gets 2 singles (2 bases) would have the same SLG percentage as someone who got a double (2 bases) Each total base is treated equally.

              What SLG is meant to show, is the QUALITY of the hits the player gets.

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              • ExarKub00720
                Rookie
                • Apr 2021
                • 117

                #22
                Re: OBPS

                Originally posted by ktd1976
                It does make sense as a percent though. Taking 1 base every at bat would be 100% Taking more than 1 base every at bat would be over 100%

                It is also NOT a weighted average. The hits don't matter. Total bases are what are being measured.

                Now, you can argue that it is an average, but it is still a percent.

                Look at it this way. A player with a .500 SLG. On average they are getting 1/2 base each at bat. That is 50%. It is still a percent.

                Just like Batting Average is an "average" but also a percent. Someone with a .330 batting average gets a hit 33% of the time.

                But, at any rate, it is NOT a weighted average. Because someone who gets 2 singles (2 bases) would have the same SLG percentage as someone who got a double (2 bases) Each total base is treated equally.

                What SLG is meant to show, is the QUALITY of the hits the player gets.
                It’s weighted cause each hit does have a weight to it. 3 singles and 1 triple may equal the same slugging but that’s the whole point. The one triple is literally worth more in the realm of this calculation. I have giving evidence shown how this is true shown why it isn’t a percentage. I have literally studied for years in math and statistics to know the differences between the two.

                It still though measures the quality of what a players at bats are. If someone has .650 slugging it means each at bat has a average of .65 bases. In a game of 4 at bats this means on average that player is going to get at least 1.3 bases could be they just hit one single could be a lucky day they get two singles maybe they just hit a double could be a home run and yes that means they went above and beyond 1.3 but as in all things averages have highs and lows, that’s why it is an average.

                In the end the understand of how to use the slugging seems to be used for a player is correct for everyone so no real reason to keep rubbing in circles.

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                • ktd1976
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1935

                  #23
                  Re: OBPS

                  Originally posted by ExarKub00720
                  It’s weighted cause each hit does have a weight to it. 3 singles and 1 triple may equal the same slugging but that’s the whole point. The one triple is literally worth more in the realm of this calculation. I have giving evidence shown how this is true shown why it isn’t a percentage. I have literally studied for years in math and statistics to know the differences between the two.

                  It still though measures the quality of what a players at bats are. If someone has .650 slugging it means each at bat has a average of .65 bases. In a game of 4 at bats this means on average that player is going to get at least 1.3 bases could be they just hit one single could be a lucky day they get two singles maybe they just hit a double could be a home run and yes that means they went above and beyond 1.3 but as in all things averages have highs and lows, that’s why it is an average.

                  In the end the understand of how to use the slugging seems to be used for a player is correct for everyone so no real reason to keep rubbing in circles.
                  Again, it is NOT weighted. Hits don't matter. TOTAL BASES do. Slugging percentage is NOT measuring hits. It is measuring how many total bases a player gets per at bat. Each base is weighted the same. Slugging Percentage is literally measuring how may bases a player gets, per at bat. HOW the player got those bases, DOES NOT MATTER. Thus, it is not a weighted average. It is literally TOTAL BASES/AT BATS.

                  I'm not denying that it is an average, but it is represented in percent form.

                  What it definitely is not, is a weighted average. The type of hit doesn't matter. Only the total bases matter.

                  30 singles is still just 30 bases. 10 triples is also 30 bases. Only the total number of bases a player gets is being measured. HOW he got those bases doesn't matter. Thus, the average is not weighted.

                  EDIT: I do see how some places do incorrectly attribute it to be a "weighted average" by saying that home runs have more weight than triples, triples more weight than doubles, etc. But, this is simply just not accurate. A home run is 4 total bases. A single is 1 total base. So, to figure out the slugging percentage (average) you take hits right out of the equation.

                  Example 10 At bats.
                  AB1=1 total base
                  AB2=2 bases
                  AB3=0 bases
                  AB4=0 bases
                  AB5=0 bases
                  AB6=4 bases
                  AB7=0 bases
                  AB8=1 base
                  AB9=0 bases
                  AB10=1 base

                  10 at bats. 9 total bases.

                  SLG pct.= .900

                  the average is not weighted. It is literally the number of bases the player got, divided by the number of at bats.

                  In order for it to be a "weighted average" certain "bases" would have to be given a greater weight.

                  In Slugging Pct (avg) each base is just one total base.
                  Last edited by ktd1976; 06-17-2021, 10:16 PM.

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                  • ExarKub00720
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2021
                    • 117

                    #24
                    Re: OBPS

                    Originally posted by ktd1976
                    Again, it is NOT weighted. Hits don't matter. TOTAL BASES do. Slugging percentage is NOT measuring hits. It is measuring how many total bases a player gets per at bat. Each base is weighted the same. Slugging Percentage is literally measuring how may bases a player gets, per at bat. HOW the player got those bases, DOES NOT MATTER. Thus, it is not a weighted average. It is literally TOTAL BASES/AT BATS.

                    I'm not denying that it is an average, but it is represented in percent form.

                    What it definitely is not, is a weighted average. The type of hit doesn't matter. Only the total bases matter.

                    30 singles is still just 30 bases. 10 triples is also 30 bases. Only the total number of bases a player gets is being measured. HOW he got those bases doesn't matter. Thus, the average is not weighted.

                    EDIT: I do see how some places do incorrectly attribute it to be a "weighted average" by saying that home runs have more weight than triples, triples more weight than doubles, etc. But, this is simply just not accurate. A home run is 4 total bases. A single is 1 total base. So, to figure out the slugging percentage (average) you take hits right out of the equation.

                    Example 10 At bats.
                    AB1=1 total base
                    AB2=2 bases
                    AB3=0 bases
                    AB4=0 bases
                    AB5=0 bases
                    AB6=4 bases
                    AB7=0 bases
                    AB8=1 base
                    AB9=0 bases
                    AB10=1 base

                    10 at bats. 9 total bases.

                    SLG pct.= .900

                    the average is not weighted. It is literally the number of bases the player got, divided by the number of at bats.
                    (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4)/AB that is the formula for slugging literally from mlb, https://www.mlb.com/glossary/standar...ing-percentage

                    Why is this important? It is showing from their own page that each hit you get an AB IS weighted. If you look at as you are and say did the AB get 1,2,3, or 4 bases then technically you are correct but how you get that is based on what kind of hit you got. This is why it is considered weighted when you do the math.

                    The only reason you knew how to find out how many plates some hitter got was by doing the math. You knew a home run was worth 4 plates and a single was worth 1 plate. If you didn’t know the math to know that you must multiply each hit by their weighted total of plates then you could have never found the total plates they got.

                    This is simply how Mlb has said the formula works, they say that you look at it as each hit is worth x points ie plates and then you add them up. This is why it is seen as weighted in that instance.

                    If we rewrite the formula then yes we can just say how many plates did you get per AB and that will in some ways take out the wording, but by definition you can’t get 2 plates without hitting one double. So in the realm of calculations that double impacted the slugging average making it higher than if it has been a single.
                    Last edited by ExarKub00720; 06-17-2021, 10:46 PM.

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                    • ktd1976
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 1935

                      #25
                      Re: OBPS

                      Originally posted by ExarKub00720
                      (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4)/AB that is the formula for slugging literally from mlb, https://www.mlb.com/glossary/standar...ing-percentage

                      Why is this important? It is showing from their own page that each hit you get an AB IS weighted. If you look at as you are and say did the AB get 1,2,3, or 4 bases then technically you are correct but how you get that is based on what kind of hit you got. This is why it is considered weighted when you do the math.

                      The only reason you knew how to find out how many plates some hitter got was by doing the math. You knew a home run was worth 4 plates and a single was worth 1 plate. If you didn’t know the math to know that you must multiply each hit by their weighted total of plates then you could have never found the total plates they got.

                      This is simply how Mlb has said the formula works, they say that you look at it as each hit is worth x points ie plates and then you add them up. This is why it is seen as weighted in that instance.

                      If we rewrite the formula then yes we can just say how many plates did you get per AB and that will in some ways take out the wording, but by definition you can’t get 2 plates without hitting one double. So in the realm of calculations that double impacted the slugging average making it higher than if it has been a single.
                      Again, incorrect.

                      (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4) is the formula to get the TOTAL bases.

                      That is NOT giving a "weight" to each hit. It is simply measuring how may bases each of those hits are, to get to the total bases. Each BASE is weighted evenly.

                      1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, and one home run is 10 total bases. Each base is worth just one.

                      In order for it to be a weighted average, certain "bases" would have to be weighted higher than others. And that simply is not the case.

                      While it is correct that 1 double impacts SLG pct more than one single, that is because a double IS 2 bases. It is not weighted higher. It is simply a hit where the batter advances 2 bases, as opposed to a single where he advances just one base.

                      A single is a one base hit. A double is a two base hit. A triple is a 3 base hit. A home run is a 4 base hit. They aren't "weighted higher. It is simply a hit where the batter advances more bases.

                      Each "base" a hitter gets impacts the SLG pct evenly. 2 bases is going to impact the slugging percentage equally, no matter how the hitter got them. 2 singles (2 bases) will impact it the same as one double (2 bases). Because it is still 2 bases.

                      It doesn't matter HOW the hitter got those bases, the bases are equal.

                      Thus, it is not a "weighted average"
                      Last edited by ktd1976; 06-17-2021, 11:03 PM.

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                      • ExarKub00720
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2021
                        • 117

                        #26
                        Re: OBPS

                        Originally posted by ktd1976
                        Again, incorrect.

                        (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4) is the formula to get the TOTAL bases.

                        That is NOT giving a "weight" to each hit. It is simply measuring how may bases each of those hits are, to get to the total bases. Each BASE is weighted evenly.

                        1 single, 1 double, 1 triple, and one home run is 10 total bases. Each base is worth just one.

                        In order for it to be a weighted average, certain "bases" would have to be weighted higher than others. And that simply is not the case.

                        While it is correct that 1 double impacts SLG pct more than one single, that is because a double IS 2 bases. It is not weighted higher. It is simply a hit where the batter advances 2 bases, as opposed to a single where he advances just one base.

                        A single is a one base hit. A double is a two base hit. A triple is a 3 base hit. A home run is a 4 base hit. They aren't "weighted higher. It is simply a hit where the batter advances more bases.

                        Each "base" a hitter gets impacts the SLG pct evenly. 2 bases is going to impact the slugging percentage equally, no matter how the hitter got them. 2 singles (2 bases) will impact it the same as one double (2 bases). Because it is still 2 bases.

                        It doesn't matter HOW the hitter got those bases, the bases are equal.

                        Thus, it is not a "weighted average"
                        Yes I am aware that each hit equals so many plates and such but the only way to learn this was by making the hits worth more in the formula. For the formula to worth anything to learn how good a player is each hit has a weight equal to the amount of bases it was worth. Not all hits are created equal and that’s how the formula works. You could have a .700 slugging with only singles but that meant you also has a .700 BA (pretty much impossible)

                        Knowing it as a weighted score is important is you can have someone who has a really high slugging but a really low batting average. This means you know that when they do get a hit, the odds are that hit is going to be for far more bases. Each one of those hits for XB made that slugging go higher.

                        If you has a hitter with a .300 BA and a .400 OBP and .300 slugging you have a guy who never gets any XBH at all. You know this guy is either going to hit a single or get walked that is all he does.

                        If though his BA is .200 with a OBP of .300 and a slugging of .400 you now know that this hitter gets fewer hits, but when he does get hits they matter more. How we know this is due to how the formula works, each hit is worth as many bases as the hitter got. A player who you know is going to get more bases per hit is often very valuable as a game goes on.

                        When you are looking at player knowing these differences can help you determine what kind of a hitter someone is. Does a singles hitter help more than a hitter who gets more bases? That helps often to determine batting order.

                        The guy was an obp of .400 should go first and the guy slugging .400 goes second cause you know the first guy odds are gets on base and you also know the odds the second guy will get a double or better is better then the first guy.

                        If you don’t like the term weighted fine, I guess you can just keep calling it plates but how a weighted average is calculated is the exact way slugging is calculated.

                        In baseball statistics, slugging percentage (often abbreviated SLG) is a measure of the power of a hitter. It is calculated as total bases divided by at bats. SLG = (s + 2d + 3t + 4hr)/ AB or SLG = (h + d + 2t + 3hr) / AB, where AB is the number of at-bats for a given player, and s, h, d, t, hr, are the number of singles, hits, doubles, triples, and home runs, respectively. The following site provides information on calculation, total bases, total official at bats, slugging, and other...


                        This is another example that tries to explain how this is all a weighted average. If this doesn’t make sense yet it’s probably best to just say agree to disagree cause it feels like we are running in circles at this point.

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                        • ktd1976
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1935

                          #27
                          Re: OBPS

                          Originally posted by ExarKub00720
                          Yes I am aware that each hit equals so many plates and such but the only way to learn this was by making the hits worth more in the formula. For the formula to worth anything to learn how good a player is each hit has a weight equal to the amount of bases it was worth. Not all hits are created equal and that’s how the formula works. You could have a .700 slugging with only singles but that meant you also has a .700 BA (pretty much impossible)

                          Knowing it as a weighted score is important is you can have someone who has a really high slugging but a really low batting average. This means you know that when they do get a hit, the odds are that hit is going to be for far more bases. Each one of those hits for XB made that slugging go higher.

                          If you has a hitter with a .300 BA and a .400 OBP and .300 slugging you have a guy who never gets any XBH at all. You know this guy is either going to hit a single or get walked that is all he does.

                          If though his BA is .200 with a OBP of .300 and a slugging of .400 you now know that this hitter gets fewer hits, but when he does get hits they matter more. How we know this is due to how the formula works, each hit is worth as many bases as the hitter got. A player who you know is going to get more bases per hit is often very valuable as a game goes on.

                          When you are looking at player knowing these differences can help you determine what kind of a hitter someone is. Does a singles hitter help more than a hitter who gets more bases? That helps often to determine batting order.

                          The guy was an obp of .400 should go first and the guy slugging .400 goes second cause you know the first guy odds are gets on base and you also know the odds the second guy will get a double or better is better then the first guy.

                          If you don’t like the term weighted fine, I guess you can just keep calling it plates but how a weighted average is calculated is the exact way slugging is calculated.

                          In baseball statistics, slugging percentage (often abbreviated SLG) is a measure of the power of a hitter. It is calculated as total bases divided by at bats. SLG = (s + 2d + 3t + 4hr)/ AB or SLG = (h + d + 2t + 3hr) / AB, where AB is the number of at-bats for a given player, and s, h, d, t, hr, are the number of singles, hits, doubles, triples, and home runs, respectively. The following site provides information on calculation, total bases, total official at bats, slugging, and other...


                          This is another example that tries to explain how this is all a weighted average. If this doesn’t make sense yet it’s probably best to just say agree to disagree cause it feels like we are running in circles at this point.
                          It's not that I "don't like" weighted average to describe slugging percentage. It is that it is literally an incorrect term.

                          Slugging percentage is simply total bases resulting from hits, divided by at bats.

                          The problem is that there really isn't a stat in Baseball that records total bases as a result of a hit. So, in order to find that number, you have to multiply the hit by the number of bases in that hit, then add them up, to get the total bases.

                          That isn't a weighted system. You aren't applying a number to something to make it worth more. A single is a hit where the batter advances 1 base. A double is a hit where the batter advances 2 bases, and so on. All that matters is the total number of bases that batter advanced. THAT is the number being divided by at bats.

                          In order for it to be a "weighted average" some bases would have to be weighted more than other bases.

                          That just simply isn't the case. Each base advanced holds the EXACT SAME WEIGHT.

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                          • ExarKub00720
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2021
                            • 117

                            #28
                            Re: OBPS

                            Originally posted by ktd1976
                            It's not that I "don't like" weighted average to describe slugging percentage. It is that it is literally an incorrect term.

                            Slugging percentage is simply total bases resulting from hits, divided by at bats.

                            The problem is that there really isn't a stat in Baseball that records total bases as a result of a hit. So, in order to find that number, you have to multiply the hit by the number of bases in that hit, then add them up, to get the total bases.

                            That isn't a weighted system. You aren't applying a number to something to make it worth more. A single is a hit where the batter advances 1 base. A double is a hit where the batter advances 2 bases, and so on. All that matters is the total number of bases that batter advanced. THAT is the number being divided by at bats.

                            In order for it to be a "weighted average" some bases would have to be weighted more than other bases.

                            That just simply isn't the case. Each base advanced holds the EXACT SAME WEIGHT.
                            You keep claiming you are doing nothing to make each hit worth more but as I gave before and I will here once more, the literally formula FROM MLB themselves shows that each hit is in fact worth more.

                            “Slugging percentage differs from batting average in that all hits are not valued equally. While batting average is calculated by dividing the total number of hits by the total number of at-bats, the formula for slugging percentage is: (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4)/AB.”

                            That is literal from MLB themselves. That is how it is explained in the MLB rulebook which you can read here once again.



                            So tell me once again how every single source including the MLB themselves who keep saying that each hit is valued differently and things are weighted by the type of hit is wrong.

                            You can even read up on how weighted formulas are calculated here and see that it is the exact same way slugging is.

                            https://www.indeed.com/career-advice...ighted-average

                            I have cited source after source after source to prove that it is a weighted average even from the very organization that runs the fricking game. So HOW is it not a weighted average when the formula is a formula for weighted average and every other baseball companion and rule book and everything in between is saying it is a weighted average.

                            I’m sorry but you are just wrong here. It is weighed. That’s what it is.
                            Last edited by ExarKub00720; 06-18-2021, 12:42 AM.

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                            • ktd1976
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 1935

                              #29
                              Re: OBPS

                              Originally posted by ExarKub00720
                              You keep claiming you are doing nothing to make each hit worth more but as I gave before and I will here once more, the literally formula FROM MLB themselves shows that each hit is in fact worth more.

                              “Slugging percentage differs from batting average in that all hits are not valued equally. While batting average is calculated by dividing the total number of hits by the total number of at-bats, the formula for slugging percentage is: (1B + 2Bx2 + 3Bx3 + HRx4)/AB.”

                              That is literal from MLB themselves. That is how it is explained in the MLB rulebook which you can read here once again.



                              So tell me once again how every single source including the MLB themselves who keep saying that each hit is valued differently and things are weighted by the type of hit is wrong.

                              You can even read up on how weighted formulas are calculated here and see that it is the exact same way slugging is.

                              https://www.indeed.com/career-advice...ighted-average

                              I have cited source after source after source to prove that it is a weighted average even from the very organization that runs the fricking game. So HOW is it not a weighted average when the formula is a formula for weighted average and every other baseball companion and rule book and everything in between is saying it is a weighted average.

                              I’m sorry but you are just wrong here. It is weighed. That’s what it is.
                              But, I'm not wrong.

                              Literally the FIRST sentence in the first link you provided. (MLB)

                              Slugging percentage represents the total number of bases a player records per at-bat.

                              True, not every hit is treated as equal, as it is with batting average, or on base percentage. That is because the total bases, which is used to calculate slugging percentage, is different for the various hits.

                              So, to calculate slugging percentage, you divide the total number of bases earned as a result of hits, by the total number of at bats. That equation is NOT weighed. The total number of bases is a single number.

                              Now, to arrive at that number, you have to multiply the various hits by the number of bases that hit generates. But, again, that is not weighing the bases. It is simply calculating the number that is divided by the total number of at bats.

                              In order for it to actually be a Weighted equation, the bases themselves would have to have different values or (weight) which they do not. One base is one base.

                              MLB doesn't track "total bases" from just hits. It includes bases gained from walks, and HBP as well. Thus, to arrive at the "total bases" used to calculate slugging percentage, you must take each hit, and multiply it by the bases earned, then add them together. But, that number is what it is. It is not a weighted number. If a hitter hits a single, a double, a triple, and a home run, he advanced 10 bases. If a hitter hits a double and two home runs, he still advanced 10 bases. That 10 bases is NOT a weighted number. It is simply the number of bases the batter earned. THAT is the number used to calculate slugging percentage.

                              I see where the confusion is coming from but Slugging percentage is NOT a weighted average, even though it appears it is. Because, even though you need to use a separate equation to arrive at the dividend (Total bases) because that specific stat isn't tracked individually, that number is still a set number, it is NOT weighted. The player has advanced exactly that may bases via hits. each base advanced is equal to every other base advanced.

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                              • ExarKub00720
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2021
                                • 117

                                #30
                                Re: OBPS

                                Originally posted by ktd1976
                                But, I'm not wrong.

                                Literally the FIRST sentence in the first link you provided. (MLB)

                                Slugging percentage represents the total number of bases a player records per at-bat.

                                True, not every hit is treated as equal, as it is with batting average, or on base percentage. That is because the total bases, which is used to calculate slugging percentage, is different for the various hits.

                                So, to calculate slugging percentage, you divide the total number of bases earned as a result of hits, by the total number of at bats. That equation is NOT weighed. The total number of bases is a single number.

                                Now, to arrive at that number, you have to multiply the various hits by the number of bases that hit generates. But, again, that is not weighing the bases. It is simply calculating the number that is divided by the total number of at bats.

                                In order for it to actually be a Weighted equation, the bases themselves would have to have different values or (weight) which they do not. One base is one base.

                                MLB doesn't track "total bases" from just hits. It includes bases gained from walks, and HBP as well. Thus, to arrive at the "total bases" used to calculate slugging percentage, you must take each hit, and multiply it by the bases earned, then add them together. But, that number is what it is. It is not a weighted number. If a hitter hits a single, a double, a triple, and a home run, he advanced 10 bases. If a hitter hits a double and two home runs, he still advanced 10 bases. That 10 bases is NOT a weighted number. It is simply the number of bases the batter earned. THAT is the number used to calculate slugging percentage.

                                I see where the confusion is coming from but Slugging percentage is NOT a weighted average, even though it appears it is. Because, even though you need to use a separate equation to arrive at the dividend (Total bases) because that specific stat isn't tracked individually, that number is still a set number, it is NOT weighted. The player has advanced exactly that may bases via hits. each base advanced is equal to every other base advanced.
                                I think the main disconnect here is you are only referencing in all of this total bases. That number was only found with a formula, the formula which weights each hit by how many bases it produced. In order to use this formula you have to first solve for how many total bases you had. That formula weights each hit by how many bases it produced.

                                I am in no way saying a base is worth more than another base. I am saying that each hit is, that’s what the formula calculates, how much each hit is measured or “weighted” by how many bases they produced.

                                So yes bases doesn’t weigh more than another base but the hits DO. This is why it is a weighted average cause each hit weighs different as you calculate how many bases were made before you divide it by at bats.

                                Also on a side note for slugging though doesn’t ever take into account bases not produced by hits. Walks and hbp or getting on base bu error doesn’t calculate into the formula.
                                Last edited by ExarKub00720; 06-18-2021, 01:20 AM.

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