Playstation Exclusivity.

[Gagnon39]

With Microsoft's acquisition of Activision and Blizzard, on top of Bethesda Softworks, it would seem that they are well ahead of Sony in regards to future libraries of exclusive games. With that being said, I'm surprised that Sony hasn't moved to make games like The Show exclusive (as they have been until last year). Has there been any suggestion that The Show will move back to Playstation exclusivity?

[countryboy]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

No and there will not be, unless something drastic changes with the MLB.

MLB approached SDS about making the game available on multiple platforms (Xbox, Nintendo, PC??) as part of the licensing agreement. MLB wanted the franchise to reach more gamers/baseball fans.

[Archie56]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

With Microsoft's acquisition of Activision and Blizzard, on top of Bethesda Softworks, it would seem that they are well ahead of Sony in regards to future libraries of exclusive games. With that being said, I'm surprised that Sony hasn't moved to make games like The Show exclusive (as they have been until last year). Has there been any suggestion that The Show will move back to Playstation exclusivity?

Yeah that's not going to happen. There's no way that the year after they go multiplat, they go back to being exclusive. MLB wanted the game to reach more people and forced Sony's hand to release it on Xbox as well. Having baseball reach more gamers is a win win for everyone.

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[Gagnon39]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

No and there will not be, unless something drastic changes with the MLB.

MLB approached SDS about making the game available on multiple platforms (Xbox, Nintendo, PC??) as part of the licensing agreement. MLB wanted the franchise to reach more gamers/baseball fans.

That makes sense. I never knew that this initiated from the MLB side. The Show was always my system seller in regards to Playstations over XBox's. Prior to The Show (during the MVP days) I was always an XBox guy. I'd still prefer an XBox over a Playstation but I have a beefy PC, so having that as well as an XBox is kind of pointless.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

On top of the "this is a licensing agreement thing" already mentioned in the thread, I think people are making a more of a deal out of this situation than they should.

I thought the Bethesda deal was bad. Bethesda is a studio in rapid decline. It's possible a new IP can turn things around there but the recent history of Bethesda shows a game studio out of touch with it's fanbase and rapidly sinking into the hole of anti-consumerism. They never really were consumer friendly with their DLC model, but that was spreading to places it shouldn't have, like how they implemented paid mods: they could only be purchased using Bethesda bucks, creators got a pittance of the profits, and front-ending the implementation meant that every time they updated the game with new paid mods, they broke the (much better) free mods.

Fallout 76 just continued the trend of terrible decisions. The IP and brand name is strong, but I felt most of the modern value of Bethesda was in the Id Software and Arkane studios.

In terms of overpaying for a declining studio though, the ABK purchase obliterates the Bethesda one. Most of the value is in the IPs, with the exception of King. Most people agree that even Blizzard was in decline, and that's before considering the legal and image trouble it's mired in.

Add all that on top of the fact that Microsoft has a terrible track record for managing studios and actually producing games, and I really don't think this acquisition is anything to get excited about. Even their recent stuff; Forza Horizon 5 is good, but riddled with some major bugs and 3 months in is still nowhere near what was advertised, and Halo Infinite, while having really good gameplay, has a no-effort story set in a single biome and the multiplayer servers are some of the worst I've ever seen in recent history.

I don't think Sony has as much to worry about as people are making out. I hope I'm wrong, I hope Microsoft really turns these studios around and ushers in a new golden age of gaming with games pass, and forces more competitive pressure on Sony, but even if they do, I don't think Sony changes the game plan much.

Microsoft is the New York Yankees, and you can't out New York Yankees the New York Yankees. Sony's playing Moneyball.

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[JoshC1977]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

On top of the "this is a licensing agreement thing" already mentioned in the thread, I think people are making a more of a deal out of this situation than they should.

I thought the Bethesda deal was bad. Bethesda is a studio in rapid decline. It's possible a new IP can turn things around there but the recent history of Bethesda shows a game studio out of touch with it's fanbase and rapidly sinking into the hole of anti-consumerism. They never really were consumer friendly with their DLC model, but that was spreading to places it shouldn't have, like how they implemented paid mods: they could only be purchased using Bethesda bucks, creators got a pittance of the profits, and front-ending the implementation meant that every time they updated the game with new paid mods, they broke the (much better) free mods.

Fallout 76 just continued the trend of terrible decisions. The IP and brand name is strong, but I felt most of the modern value of Bethesda was in the Id Software and Arkane studios.

In terms of overpaying for a declining studio though, the ABK purchase obliterates the Bethesda one. Most of the value is in the IPs, with the exception of King. Most people agree that even Blizzard was in decline, and that's before considering the legal and image trouble it's mired in.

Add all that on top of the fact that Microsoft has a terrible track record for managing studios and actually producing games, and I really don't think this acquisition is anything to get excited about. Even their recent stuff; Forza Horizon 5 is good, but riddled with some major bugs and 3 months in is still nowhere near what was advertised, and Halo Infinite, while having really good gameplay, has a no-effort story set in a single biome and the multiplayer servers are some of the worst I've ever seen in recent history.

I don't think Sony has as much to worry about as people are making out. I hope I'm wrong, I hope Microsoft really turns these studios around and ushers in a new golden age of gaming with games pass, and forces more competitive pressure on Sony, but even if they do, I don't think Sony changes the game plan much.

Microsoft is the New York Yankees, and you can't out New York Yankees the New York Yankees. Sony's playing Moneyball.

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Or to summarize this even more succinctly....Microsoft is the NYY from the 1980s - early-90s.

[Caulfield]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

Microsoft may very well be the Yankees but Sony ain't Moneyball.
there is Microsoft and there is Sony.
then there is fifty foot of crap.
and then there is Nintendo playing Moneyball

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

Microsoft may very well be the Yankees but Sony ain't Moneyball.
there is Microsoft and there is Sony.
then there is fifty foot of crap.
and then there is Nintendo playing Moneyball

I specifically didn't mention the Athletics because they were a poor comparison, but I think Nintendo is an even worse comparison.

They've got Scrooge McDuck pools of money and what seems like an active hatred of their consumers.

Some sauce on the money thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearn...ney_that_they/

[Caulfield]

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I specifically didn't mention the Athletics because they were a poor comparison, but I think Nintendo is an even worse comparison.

They've got Scrooge McDuck pools of money and what seems like an active hatred of their consumers.

exactly. Nintendo doesn't have to play moneyball any more than Sam Walton had to drive around in an old beat up pickup truck. but they do it anyway. sometimes I think Nintendo doesn't want to be in an adult world

[zello144]

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Sony has a good farm system. They know how to draft and develop players. Microsoft is the New York Yankees/LA Dodgers/Any team with deep pockets who spends big money on free agents. The majority of Sony's exclusives come from Sony studios built by Sony save for a few. We just have to see how this plays out in a few years.

I don't think the Show goes back to being exclusive. MLB wants the game on as many consoles as possible as this is the only licensed game and it looks bad when your only licensed game is a console exclusive. Video games also attract a lot of young people an area where MLB is struggling and to shut out half of them is bad. Now this would be a different story if there were still other companies out there like in the early 2000s when we had a bunch of companies making games and competing against each other but unfortunately those days are gone and not coming back for now unless EA and 2K decide to get back in and if they do they gotta hope people like their games and it would also take years for them to develop a game that's decent enough that can compete with The Show and can sell copies.

Also Microsoft has had the rights to High Heat since 2003...

[Gagnon39]

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Bethesda is a studio in rapid decline.Operation Sports mobile app

This is just not true. They've expanded ten fold over the last decade. Studios in, "rapid decline," do not do this. However, you may be able to make an argument about being out of touch with the fanbase/consumers. Especially with things like Fallout 76. I don't know if you're referring specifically to Bethesda Game Studios or Bethesda Softworks. Bethesda Game Studios has always been the bread-winner of Bethesda Softworks. I think Starfiled will be the game that will answer if they're in or out of touch with the fan base. BGS has always been my favorite developer and while I was unhappy they chose to do Fallout 76, I wasn't surprised. If, somehow, Starfield doesn't live up to expectations and is filled with microtransactions, then I'd agree, BGS has lost touch completely. However, I think they're going to be returning to their roots to some degree, in that it will be a big, story-driven, single player, open world RGP. At least that's what I'm hoping for. I was fooled with Cyberpunk by CDPR, hopefully I won't be fooled with Starfield.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

This is just not true. They've expanded ten fold over the last decade. Studios in, "rapid decline," do not do this. However, you may be able to make an argument about being out of touch with the fanbase/consumers. Especially with things like Fallout 76. I don't know if you're referring specifically to Bethesda Game Studios or Bethesda Softworks. Bethesda Game Studios has always been the bread-winner of Bethesda Softworks. I think Starfiled will be the game that will answer if they're in or out of touch with the fan base. BGS has always been my favorite developer and while I was unhappy they chose to do Fallout 76, I wasn't surprised. If, somehow, Starfield doesn't live up to expectations and is filled with microtransactions, then I'd agree, BGS has lost touch completely. However, I think they're going to be returning to their roots to some degree, in that it will be a big, story-driven, single player, open world RGP. At least that's what I'm hoping for. I was fooled with Cyberpunk by CDPR, hopefully I won't be fooled with Starfield.

I guess I did write that a bit wrong. I meant declining from a creative/consumer friendliness standpoint, not a financial standpoint, one decline is often followed by the other though.

The big thing that gets under my skin was the complete mishandling of paid mods. They turned something that should have been fantastic for them, creators, and people new to the modding scene, and instead turned it into a massive cash grab that was incredibly scummy and made the experience of modding objectively worse.

Fallout 76 just seemed like a continuation of that same short-sighted, trend persuing without cause nonsense. No company has fallen so fast in my estimation and faith as them*.

*With the exception of companies that made illegal or should be illegal actions

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[Cod]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

With Sony bringing more of their first party games to PC (and selling pretty well I might add), I'm really hoping the bring The Show since there isn't a modern baseball simulation available on the platform. Don't get me wrong, SMB is great in its own right, but The Show would be on a whole other level...especially given the endless possibilities modding could allow.

[tessl]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

With Microsoft's acquisition of Activision and Blizzard, on top of Bethesda Softworks, it would seem that they are well ahead of Sony in regards to future libraries of exclusive games. With that being said, I'm surprised that Sony hasn't moved to make games like The Show exclusive (as they have been until last year). Has there been any suggestion that The Show will move back to Playstation exclusivity?

The Show was exclusive but Microsoft leveraged MLB to force Sony to expand. I have no doubt the reason it took several months to patch manage mode franchise games crashing is because they were forced to expand and include the extra platforms.

Money talks and Microsoft has a lot of it.

[Caulfield]

Re: Playstation Exclusivity.

The Show was exclusive but Microsoft leveraged MLB to force Sony to expand. I have no doubt the reason it took several months to patch manage mode franchise games crashing is because they were forced to expand and include the extra platforms.

Money talks and Microsoft has a lot of it.

I didn't get the feeling Sony minded expanding this particular brand (the Show) into other consoles given that compared to Madden and NBA2K sales, the Show could never compete with them until they doubled their sales to come more into line with Madden and NBA2K sales. I felt like the Show invading enemy territory and nixing RBI before it could develop meaningful competition with the Show was a major accomplishment for Sony. a win-win-win for MLB, Sony and Microsoft. the real loser in all of this was RBI IMO