What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

[countryboy]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

DD is not the reason Y2Y saves were removed.

Why DD is a scapegoat I'll never understand.

The irony of the forums is that franchise players, not myself, blame DD for the lack of progression or improvements to franchise mode, but its the very feature they are chastising SDS for removing, year to year saves, that was/is a factor in why the slow progress in franchise mode:

It was a difficult feature to maintain. We spent a lot of cycles to implement it with every release. When the design team was laying out their long term plans, engineering pointed some of the hurdles they would need to overcome and additional time it would take to accomplish those plans AND maintain year-to-year saves. Unfortunately, the additional resource/time costs coupled with telemetry (maybe a little dubious) indicating many users did not use the feature put the feature on the chopping block.

[CBoller1331]

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I have no desire to play DD, online, or collect cards. None.

Before last year, DD was a menu nuisance to be skipped over and not really think about. Now, it has infected the offline mode I play. It completely ruined RTTS and I’m 99% sure it’s the reason there are no more Y2Y saves. Therefore DD is now the enemy.

The 1 hour I spent playing RTTS on 21 before going back to 20 didn’t even let me use my very benign last name because of the filter. There’s no reason RTTS should be tethered to an online mode and require internet and name filters.

This is definitely not true. None of the content in DD can be carried over to the next year, so it has no affect on Y2Y being taken out. Y2Y saves was also introduced around the time Diamond Dynasty was gaining popularity.

[Dolenz]

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The one point I can concur with that is being stated is that their tethering of RTTS and DD Create A Player together was a huge mistake. Before I ever thought about playing DD I was strictly a RTTS person. In my opinion, RTTS has been progressively going downhill for years.

And while it may not be due to DD, the removal of the Y2Y saves means that I will spend less time in that mode. I am looking at perpetually being in the minors year after year as I did not play enough to get called up in 21 and I will be forced to restart in 22.

[GoBlue81188]

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Certainly agree with the points about tethering other modes to DD, that would be my biggest frustration as well. The mode itself is the best card collecting mode in sports games, IMO. Personally it does become stale for me, due to the incredible amount of highly rated cards.

Zero disdain for the DD community. Of course that mode gets most of SDS attention, they are business. It's clearly the correct business decision.

The frustration comes from the lack of *seemingly* easy improvements that are low hanging fruit in franchise mode. I think the majority of franchise gamers would be more than satisfied with refinements to our beloved mode: Scheduling, CPU Roster Management (by far the biggest issue) and a slightly deeper scouting system.

At the end of the day gameplay is king. MLBTS is by far the most sim on field experience in sports gaming, and I will definitely pick up 22'. However without some basic improvements, I'll again have it on the shelf by the All Star break.

The thing is, hook me with the franchise mode, and I'll probably be inclined to leave the game in my system longer and hop into DD- where they'll surely get a few $100 from me. Without that immersive franchise prompting back into the game, they'll lose that mid/late cycle revenue from players such as myself.

[TheWarmWind]

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DD is not the reason Y2Y saves were removed.

Why DD is a scapegoat I'll never understand.

The irony of the forums is that franchise players, not myself, blame DD for the lack of progression or improvements to franchise mode, but its the very feature they are chastising SDS for removing, year to year saves, that was/is a factor in why the slow progress in franchise mode:

Then where were the franchise improvements last year? I understand that covid slowed down development for everyone, there was a 0% chance of large, sweeping changes for the mode. But they didn't give us anything! 3 roster spots (that mearly adjusts the roster space to equal pre-26 man rule levels) and a depth chart repaint are changes so insignificant they aren't worth mentioning. It's like they gave one person a week to make franchise improvements and then shut it down.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right CB, I hope y2y was dropped in order to help improve the mode, but I have 0 faith. That has been thoroughly destroyed.

I sincerely look forward to you telling me "I told you so" when The Show 22 reveals all is new features, and I fear opening your eyes to your naivety when that time comes, but I know which result I'd bet on.

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[CBoller1331]

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Certainly agree with the points about tethering other modes to DD, that would be my biggest frustration as well. The mode itself is the best card collecting mode in sports games, IMO. Personally it does become stale for me, due to the incredible amount of highly rated cards.

Zero disdain for the DD community. Of course that mode gets most of SDS attention, they are business. It's clearly the correct business decision.

The frustration comes from the lack of *seemingly* easy improvements that are low hanging fruit in franchise mode. I think the majority of franchise gamers would be more than satisfied with refinements to our beloved mode: Scheduling, CPU Roster Management (by far the biggest issue) and a slightly deeper scouting system.

At the end of the day gameplay is king. MLBTS is by far the most sim on field experience in sports gaming, and I will definitely pick up 22'. However without some basic improvements, I'll again have it on the shelf by the All Star break.

The thing is, hook me with the franchise mode, and I'll probably be inclined to leave the game in my system longer and hop into DD- where they'll surely get a few $100 from me. Without that immersive franchise prompting back into the game, they'll lose that mid/late cycle revenue from players such as myself.

Yeah I tend to agree with this. I got burned out by the DD grind right about the time that I finished a Franchise ready roster to start a franchise with, which worked out well. But I also got burned out in Franchise about half way through the season because I felt like I had to make all the decisions for CPU teams as well in order to get semi-realistic experience. That burnout led me to other games instead of going back to DD since my team was too far behind the rest to be competitive online.

[lemarflacco]

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Consider me someone who was a die hard franchise-only player until MLB20 - I was even at the '16 Spring Training event in AZ when Puig showed up, I played Ramone and essentially scoffed at DD when he asked me about it. However, I've I transitioned to a DD player only - reasons why are for a different thread.

The most frustrating thing about SDS is that their communication have changed drastically over my time at OS (almost 20 years!). SDS used to be in the forums constantly (I know they still lurk) and would invite OS members to their studios to illicit feedback from the "community" and make changes to the game on the fly - I was never invited, but loved when the guys from OS were there giving as many updates as possible. These guys would head to San Diego with a community punchlist and get as much answered as possible - a lot of the game features we all miss were born from ideas on this forum. Anything they couldn't get into the current game cycle they'd put on their roadmap for the future and give the community updates along the way. At times it felt like we were part of the team.

As SDS uses social media as its main communication channel, it feels like our old time friend has "moved on." The veil is hardly removed for our community unless it's overproduced media (most of which I enjoy, tbh). The biggest letdown is that SDS doesn't explain the rationale for their decisions like they used to (a vague FAQ leads to more questions). I don't begrudge them for keeping things close to the vest, but for the OS community it's a big change to how things used to be and I think the community's frustration comes out in different ways (DD, Franchise, Season Mode, etc.) If you're a glass half full type of person, you'd marvel at how deep the game is still even though some that depth has been removed over the years.

FYI, two years ago, a member on here named Scott, the head of Ridin Rosters/scout scoops was invited for roster related things once they went to adding real minor leaguers.

Last year, they hired TABARNES10 from these boards. He was someone who heavily dissected and diagnosed the things that were wrong with franchise mode.

[countryboy]

What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

Then where were the franchise improvements last year? I understand that covid slowed down development for everyone, there was a 0% chance of large, sweeping changes for the mode. But they didn't give us anything! 3 roster spots (that mearly adjusts the roster space to equal pre-26 man rule levels) and a depth chart repaint are changes so insignificant they aren't worth mentioning. It's like they gave one person a week to make franchise improvements and then shut it down.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right CB, I hope y2y was dropped in order to help improve the mode, but I have 0 faith. That has been thoroughly destroyed.

I sincerely look forward to you telling me "I told you so" when The Show 22 reveals all is new features, and I fear opening your eyes to your naivety when that time comes, but I know which result I'd bet on.

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They rebuilt the foundation within franchise mode with the finances and expanded the rosters thus having to redo the roster logic.

I don’t think that was a minor undertaking to accomplish.

I’m personally looking forward to what they do this year with the new foundation in place plus the additional people working on franchise mode.




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[TheWarmWind]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

They rebuilt the foundation within franchise mode with the finances and expanded the rosters thus having to redo the roster logic.

I don’t think that was a minor undertaking to accomplish.

I’m personally looking forward to what they do this year with the new foundation in place plus the additional people working on franchise mode.




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Again, I hope you're right, but at this point I need to see it to believe it.

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[sbmnky]

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FYI, two years ago, a member on here named Scott, the head of Ridin Rosters/scout scoops was invited for roster related things once they went to adding real minor leaguers.

Last year, they hired TABARNES10 from these boards. He was someone who heavily dissected and diagnosed the things that were wrong with franchise mode.

That's great and should make the community feel good knowing there are people working at SDS that are - presumably - fond of these board. However, that doesn't indicate that SDS has been transparent with their product roadmap which I think is the cause for a lot of frustration within the community.

[CoiaNY]

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I actually quite like DD, but my biggest issue with it is that it's lazy, in pretty much every way. It caters to lazy players who want instant gratification (I also like this, who doesn't? But there is just nothing beneath it), it encourages lazy developers and it's designed to profit off the lazy 1% who want everything but don't want to spend any time getting it. Instead of actual change, you can flash up a new card with some high numbers and people go mad for it.

The actual mode, despite being the main focus of the developers, barely gets any actual change at all. The past 3 years have been the exact same structure, with the exact same game modes, even pretty much the exact same goals each time, with pretty much everything being exactly the same. Each month they release a new "program" which is again, the exact same thing they released the previous month, and every month previously over the last 3 years. All that changes is the order in which they release the cards and the rewards they give. It's genuinely the laziest thing I've ever seen. They used to actually change the structure each year, even if they didn't add new modes as such, but they've fallen into an incredibly lazy rut of just copy and paste. It's gotten incredibly stale, it's like franchise mode now, where I get the new game, start it up and am instantly struck with the feeling that I've already done this, it's just the same game but they've made me start again from scratch.

For all the talk of them not developing other modes because of DD, it's not really true. They just don't develop any of the modes. The money comes so easily from DD that it's completely drained them of the motivation to try anything new at all. Just release some new cards with high numbers on them, rake in some cash, rinse and repeat. It's little more than a mobile phone game at this point

THIS. All of this, 100%.

It's gotten incredibly stale, it's like franchise mode now, where I get the new game, start it up and am instantly struck with the feeling that I've already done this, it's just the same game but they've made me start again from scratch.

^ and THIS is the most true and spot on rundown regarding Franchise Mode of the last 10 years that I've seen on this forum, probably ever.

Devs, listen up.

[SmashMan]

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^ and THIS is the most true and spot on rundown regarding Franchise Mode of the last 10 years that I've seen on this forum, probably ever.

Devs, listen up.

Which is weird, because he’s describing DD.

[Junior Moe]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I am a franchise player in The Show. I basically only play franchise in my sport games. I played a little Chase to October or whatever it's called. Im currently in year 3 of my Braves franchise on PS5. That being said, I dont get the disdain for DD and online modes in general. It's not my thing but I wish the best for the gamers who do enjoy it. I have never played DD so I dont have any opinion of it. I dont look at it like something is being taken from franchise mode. It's another mode that clearly has interest from gamers. More power to them.

I kind of hate how disparaging some franchise heads come off towards gamers who enjoy/care about online "money maker" modes. Like they're kids or dumb for spending their time and money how they want. I see it with 2K and Madden as well, the second something is added to the game that's not franchise related it's the same; "they only care about money, they abandoned franchise and the gamers who were here first..." I get the frustration. I dont really disagree.

Companies are greedy and want to make as much as possible. It is what it is. But that doesnt make the mode bad or gamers somehow less. I love building my teams through the draft and plucking guys from other team farm systems. Another guy may like to buy (or win, never played DD) a whole team of his favorite players and play online. We all get different things from these titles. These are games first and foremost. For some of us The Show is no different than any other game and just a quick way to have some fun. Nothing more. For others, myself included, we want as close to a simulation and real experience as possible. I make backups of backups to preserve my Braves franchise that I have sunk dozens of hours into. That's cool, too. I think its just that DDs (and MUT/MyTeam) presence and attention make it an easy target for frustrated gamers.

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[ninertravel]

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DD is not the reason Y2Y saves were removed.

Why DD is a scapegoat I'll never understand.

The irony of the forums is that franchise players, not myself, blame DD for the lack of progression or improvements to franchise mode, but its the very feature they are chastising SDS for removing, year to year saves, that was/is a factor in why the slow progress in franchise mode:

well I am sorry but I don't buy all of that particularly at the end

when the all roster makers including OSFM rosters always HAD TO use Y2Y saves to create rosters meaning everybody needed the features just about to get those rosters quick and fast because of Y2Y saves. look at how many people download Ridin rosters there is your answer as to why Y2Y saves needs to be in

and if 'not even people are using the feature' that is because majority are using DD mode

[ninertravel]

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Then where were the franchise improvements last year? I understand that covid slowed down development for everyone, there was a 0% chance of large, sweeping changes for the mode. But they didn't give us anything! 3 roster spots (that mearly adjusts the roster space to equal pre-26 man rule levels) and a depth chart repaint are changes so insignificant they aren't worth mentioning. It's like they gave one person a week to make franchise improvements and then shut it down.

I hope I'm wrong and you're right CB, I hope y2y was dropped in order to help improve the mode, but I have 0 faith. That has been thoroughly destroyed.

I sincerely look forward to you telling me "I told you so" when The Show 22 reveals all is new features, and I fear opening your eyes to your naivety when that time comes, but I know which result I'd bet on.

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Covid needs to stop being blamed.. they actually gave us more features in last years game during covid times. then the years before when one year it was just 'contract extensions' that was added was that mlb 19?