What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

[countryboy]

What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

well I am sorry but I don't buy all of that particularly at the end



when the all roster makers including OSFM rosters always HAD TO use Y2Y saves to create rosters meaning everybody needed the features just about to get those rosters quick and fast because of Y2Y saves. look at how many people download Ridin rosters there is your answer as to why Y2Y saves needs to be in



and if 'not even people are using the feature' that is because majority are using DD mode

Ok


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[PVarck31]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I don't play DD, and I don't have a beef with DD.

But Wendy's has the beef.

[Caulfield]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

in a lot of ways, diamond dynasty is also a kind of franchise mode, just not a traditional one.

I bet in about 30 years, there will be some newfangled, hip mode in MLB the Show 50 and all the gamers who cut their teeth on DD will lament diamond dynasty is neglected because of said new mode lol

I don't play DD, and I don't have a beef with DD.

But Wendy's has the beef.

but Arby's has the meats.
plus, it feels like an Arby's night

[Cod]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I don't play DD specifically, but I love playing the Moments throughout the year. I like playing the challenges with random players from the past and present. I've never created a DD team, so can't play all the Moments, but I still get to enjoy 90% of them.

[Finn]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

well I am sorry but I don't buy all of that particularly at the end



when the all roster makers including OSFM rosters always HAD TO use Y2Y saves to create rosters meaning everybody needed the features just about to get those rosters quick and fast because of Y2Y saves. look at how many people download Ridin rosters there is your answer as to why Y2Y saves needs to be in



and if 'not even people are using the feature' that is because majority are using DD mode

I think the point you are arguing here is more so the need for a better base roster, one that compares to the quality of OSFM minors. Y2Y saves was a tool leveraged by clever minds to save time bringing hard work over with each new game. In fact the larger the number of downloads could lead people to believe that users were not using Y2Y saves else they’d likely have long existing rosters from their carry over franchises. So the popularity is in the roster not necessarily Y2Y saves.

Importing rosters would seem like an easy solution. But that doesn’t seem to be an option with 22 so I have to believe that we have not yet seen SDS design team’s final vision of the roster.

[ninertravel]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I think the point you are arguing here is more so the need for a better base roster, one that compares to the quality of OSFM minors. Y2Y saves was a tool leveraged by clever minds to save time bringing hard work over with each new game. In fact the larger the number of downloads could lead people to believe that users were not using Y2Y saves else they’d likely have long existing rosters from their carry over franchises. So the popularity is in the roster not necessarily Y2Y saves.

Importing rosters would seem like an easy solution. But that doesn’t seem to be an option with 22 so I have to believe that we have not yet seen SDS design team’s final vision of the roster.

Well
If we find out that we the roster expansion to say 100 or more players my entire presoective
On this changes. But I won’t hold my breathe

Let’s be real here though it’s looking more and more likely that this lockout gonna drag on for months. And the season won’t be started when this game comes out. So the default roster is going to be a complete utter mess! And this isn’t sds fault. No team going to have a balanced roster apart from maybe the Mets and teams that actually finished their off season roster.

Then you have the braves who don’t even have a 1st baseman or OF. We don’t even know if a universal DH Is in. I have no idea how they can handle rosters this year. Which is why Y2Y saves is Even more of a bigger deal this year for people that want to use more. Compete balanced rosters. But it isn’t happening. Instead she’d stuck with a crap default mess MTO will be a unbalanced mess with this too.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

Well
If we find out that we the roster expansion to say 100 or more players my entire presoective

I would think full minors or playable A-ball teams would be a pretty big selling point they would have out front and center whenever they add it.

[Madden08PCgmr]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

in a lot of ways, diamond dynasty is also a kind of franchise mode, just not a traditional one.

Very true. I've played more DD for the Team Affinity grind the last two years compared to franchise games.

On '19 I think I played through 2/3 of the teams beacuse they had so many good cards.

[Kccitystar]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

My main beef with Diamond Dynasty is that as someone said earlier in the thread, SDS isn't doing enough to not have that mode bleed into other aspects of the game.

Outside of that, DD is a game mode that I believe SDS considers to be the best way to keep players engaged over the course of a 162 game season. Since this mode and the online version of it keeps players continuously engaged, it's a fantastic way for the studio to use the gameplay data it gathers from DD to figure out what to adjust or improve on with hitting/pitching so that every other game mode immediately benefits from those changes, like RTTS, Franchise, Home Run Derby, etc.

What confuses me is this weird perception people have of Diamond Dynasty as if it's some sort of cash-cow for SDS, and I'm fairly firm in my belief that it's really not, and here's why:

Diamond Dynasty as a mode, literally by design, actively discourages you to spend any additional money since you're consistently rewarded with stubs and XP as you play games online and offline, and the more you play, the better your cards will be. You even get player cards and packs by logging into the game from the start.

When you compare DD to EA's Ultimate Teams, I've seen a significant amount of UI design language in every title in EA's catalog that has a UT mode that's created with the intent to get you to spend money on microtransactions, almost like gambling. This type of manipulation of player psychology is what attracts the whales, the ones who will spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on microtransactions. Now, that's not to say microtransactions don't exist in The Show, because even though you COULD just buy stubs and packs with real life money, the game's design does not lead you down that path at all. It's strictly a voluntary choice entirely left up to the player.

The amount of content creators for The Show who do NMS (no money spent) runs on Diamond Dynasty prove how fun the game mode is every year. There is always something to do, and you're always encouraged to play the games to earn stubs and good cards.

[Dolenz]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

My main beef with Diamond Dynasty is that as someone said earlier in the thread, SDS isn't doing enough to not have that mode bleed into other aspects of the game.

Outside of that, DD is a game mode that I believe SDS considers to be the best way to keep players engaged over the course of a 162 game season. Since this mode and the online version of it keeps players continuously engaged, it's a fantastic way for the studio to use the gameplay data it gathers from DD to figure out what to adjust or improve on with hitting/pitching so that every other game mode immediately benefits from those changes, like RTTS, Franchise, Home Run Derby, etc.

What confuses me is this weird perception people have of Diamond Dynasty as if it's some sort of cash-cow for SDS, and I'm fairly firm in my belief that it's really not, and here's why:

Diamond Dynasty as a mode, literally by design, actively discourages you to spend any additional money since you're consistently rewarded with stubs and XP as you play games online and offline, and the more you play, the better your cards will be. You even get player cards and packs by logging into the game from the start.

When you compare DD to EA's Ultimate Teams, I've seen a significant amount of UI design language in every title in EA's catalog that has a UT mode that's created with the intent to get you to spend money on microtransactions, almost like gambling. This type of manipulation of player psychology is what attracts the whales, the ones who will spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on microtransactions. Now, that's not to say microtransactions don't exist in The Show, because even though you COULD just buy stubs and packs with real life money, the game's design does not lead you down that path at all. It's strictly a voluntary choice entirely left up to the player.

The amount of content creators for The Show who do NMS (no money spent) runs on Diamond Dynasty prove how fun the game mode is every year. There is always something to do, and you're always encouraged to play the games to earn stubs and good cards.

Just because they are not egregious as the EA sports games when it comes to monetizing their content does not mean that a lot of people don't spend extra money on stubs. Many buy stubs as a convenient and easy shortcut to get the cards they want.

[Kccitystar]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

Just because they are not egregious as the EA sports games when it comes to monetizing their content does not mean that a lot of people don't spend extra money on stubs. Many buy stubs as a convenient and easy shortcut to get the cards they want.

Right, but what I am saying is that even though you could spend money on stubs, the way the mode and its reward structure is designed doesn't make that a viable option for a majority of players, but if you wanted to spend money on stubs, you need to actively seek that out on your own.

Content creators may be a different story, but a majority of the popular ones from what I've seen constantly promote the concept of "no money spent" and do fairly well.

[BigOscar]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

Sorry, but if you think DD doesn't make them an absolute fortune in microtransactions, you're just wrong.

It doesn't matter that you can make a ton of stubs if you put enough hours into the game, microtransactions are aimed at people who have more money than time/patience, who'd rather spend money than waste their limited free time grinding

[CBoller1331]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

Sorry, but if you think DD doesn't make them an absolute fortune in microtransactions, you're just wrong.

It doesn't matter that you can make a ton of stubs if you put enough hours into the game, microtransactions are aimed at people who have more money than time/patience, who'd rather spend money than waste their limited free time grinding

I don't think anyone was suggesting that they don't make money off of micro transactions, just that Diamond Dynasty is designed so that you can build a competitive team without spending any extra money

[ninertravel]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I don't think anyone was suggesting that they don't make money off of micro transactions, just that Diamond Dynasty is designed so that you can build a competitive team without spending any extra money

I don't agree with this one bit... it is designed to make you grind so that you get bored that you use real money to not wait. if it was really designed for that way then you wouldn't throw in micro transactions at all. it's basically a mobile game design.

Star Wars with Battlefront designed it that way and when the backlash happened the game never worked the way it should have because the way it was designed.

[CBoller1331]

Re: What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

I don't agree with this one bit... it is designed to make you grind so that you get bored that you use real money to not wait. if it was really designed for that way then you wouldn't throw in micro transactions at all. it's basically a mobile game design.

Star Wars with Battlefront designed it that way and when the backlash happened the game never worked the way it should have because the way it was designed.

Have you played DD or just basing it off of a preconceived notion that you have of the mode?

I spent a fair bit of time playing it this year and really felt like they were making a conscience effort to allow players earn stubs through playing as opposed to feeling like they had to buy them. And if people are willing to spend money on extra stubs (personally I don't get why, but to each their own) why on earth would SDS stop them?? There is no reason to vilify anyone for participating in a free market transaction.

I'll admit I got bored with "the grind" occasionally, but I never felt like they were trying to get me to spend money. I don't think that boredom is any different then getting burned out at game 120 in franchise mode, or after a few years in RTTS.