What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

[ninertravel]

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Have you played DD or just basing it off of a preconceived notion that you have of the mode?

I spent a fair bit of time playing it this year and really felt like they were making a conscience effort to allow players earn stubs through playing as opposed to feeling like they had to buy them. And if people are willing to spend money on extra stubs (personally I don't get why, but to each their own) why on earth would SDS stop them?? There is no reason to vilify anyone for participating in a free market transaction.

I'll admit I got bored with "the grind" occasionally, but I never felt like they were trying to get me to spend money. I don't think that boredom is any different then getting burned out at game 120 in franchise mode, or after a few years in RTTS.

I tried it once and was bored it was basically a fortnite mobile game like a MMO. where you are just grinding over and over again.. which brings some people to addiction of wanting more and more to get that next thing. the mode is designed to make money lets be real here if it wasn't then microtransactions would not be part of it.

It isn't for me it's bad enough I get the damm cards fed into my face everytime I load the game or finish a game in franchise. I want nothing to do with it.

I actually have tried RTTS many times and have got bored with that after a while too. but I have no issue with the mode as it isn't fed into our faces all the time and all the promos and marketing of the mode to make cash from it.

if you took out the microtransactions out of DD and toned down the marketing with it being 90% of the focus I would have no 'beef' with the mode at all.

[SmashMan]

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Have you played DD or just basing it off of a preconceived notion that you have of the mode?

I absolutely 100% guarantee you it’s the latter.

Obviously stubs are available and obviously they’ll gladly accept the money of anyone who chooses to buy them; but of the card-collecting modes, DD is by far the most generous in terms of how many great cards are easily accessible and in how much in-game currency it awards, both just from playing the game.

[ninertravel]

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I absolutely 100% guarantee you it’s the latter.

Obviously stubs are available and obviously they’ll gladly accept the money of anyone who chooses to buy them; but of the card-collecting modes, DD is by far the most generous in terms of how many great cards are easily accessible and in how much in-game currency it awards, both just from playing the game.

guarantee?? your sounding like Rob Manfed

[shark547]

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I play DD quite a bit now. I like it for playing offline. No clue how anyone plays online. Doesn't work for me at all. Only thing I would like on it is to be able to play with custom pitch speeds. I don't even care if you say I can't play in online modes. I don't anyway. My eyes just won't see the ball at All Star at all times. (I should mention that I have no problem at All Star in RTTS or other modes...they should be the same)

My big gripe has been brought up by others. DD should not be making changes to how my offline game plays. I get people will bunt cheese online...shouldn't mean I can't do it in my franchise or I have to redo my sliders all the time because of DD adjustments.

They destroyed RTTS for me. Wasn't fun at all for me. I liked it a lot better when there were no limitations and I could actually make the player I wanted to play.

Still undecided on whether I am going to get it this year. No clue how many years I have bought now. I love baseball...lol I still love the Show! Just not as much any more.

[loungefly85]

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They destroyed RTTS for me. Wasn't fun at all for me. I liked it a lot better when there were no limitations and I could actually make the player I wanted to play.

Still undecided on whether I am going to get it this year. No clue how many years I have bought now. I love baseball...lol I still love the Show! Just not as much any more.

Same here. I'm waiting to hear about RTTS before I decide. If it's tied in any way to DD or online it'll be a pass for me and I'll stick with 20.

Like an idiot I paid for early access for 21. I think I totaled about 2 hours on it before uninstalling and reinstalling 20. I only play RTTS and Franchise. Neither of those should require servers. Add the DD infection and it's a big no from me, dog.

[Gagnon39]

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Diamond Dynasty is designed so that you can build a competitive team without spending any extra money

I agree with part of this statement, in that you can build a competitive team without spending money. But make no mistake, it's undoubtedly designed for people to spend money , and lots of it. The lure of buying players and packs as opposed to hours or grinding is just too strong for many people that have $5 here and $10 there to do so.

[NAFBUC]

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This should be fun....

But I think you nailed the gist of it. Most blame DD for taking away resources that they assume would have been used to improve Franchise.

No problem with DD....BUT - throw some FRANCHISE shade.

[canes21]

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It's already been said, but people simply contribute the rise of DD to the lack of attention to Franchise Mode and it's pretty accurate. It is no coincidence that both in The Show and EA Sports titles that as the DD and Ultimate Team modes grew in popularity the franchise modes received little to no attention annually. The Show used to loved for the attention to detail and the improvements made annually for the offline gamer. There were tons of little details in the game. Nowadays the series honestly has the worst franchise mode of all the major sports titles. The only one could be argued to be worse is Madden and that isn't good company to be in.

People have just grown tired of these DD modes making these companies more money than ever before, but it leading to less improvements annually to the games than ever before. You'd think that all of this additional money would allow SDS to have more resources to continually improve DD and franchise mode, but it seems they're perfectly content with making all of the extra cash and not pumping it back into the game.

It's very similar to the Grand Theft Auto series and the rise of GTA Online. The series used to be all about the offline experience and they even announced their plans for multiple DLC's for single player, but then Online became so popular they completely scrapped the offline DLC's and continue to milk Online nearly a decade after release.

These companies are making more money than ever before thanks to the microtransactions in these card modes, and they're simultaneously improving the offline modes less frequently than ever before. That's where the frustrations are arising from. The consumers just want these newfound resources to be pumped back into the product and that simply is not happening. These companies are completely content milking certain modes and completely ignoring a large chunk of their consumer base because they don't bring in any additional revenue after the initial purchase.

[CleveCluby]

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I am a franchise player and have been since MLB existed. I would like to remind SONY.. This game was BUILT on franchise mode.. Everything else was an add on. Franchise was the heart of this game. But obviously GREED and making lots of money on the side, after the game is purchased is now TOP PRIORITY

I doubt very seriously that I will purchase this game. Mainly because they did nothing to the game that interest me. I am in my 11th season in franchise in MLB 21, My 9th year in road to the show and although I do have a diamond dynasty team, I play the CPU teams and have never spent one cent on a card for my Cleveland Rockers. When I do play online, (very rarely) I only play with my friends because i feel there is to much cheating and unfair games playing the random public.

For Online players, DD and all the card games + Co-op might be the future. But a 71 year old like myself who has been involved with BB all my life. It's all about Franchise. Building, recruiting, minors development, growth, That's what BB is all about..And MLB 22 doesn't offer anything that I don't already have in MLB 20, 21. As a franchise player, I resent the fact that DD and the other options get all the attention and we get nothing. I blame GREED. Not the game itself.

I do believe it's about money. When MLB was first created, It was all about franchise.. And they made millions of dollars from it through the years. So yes, Times have changed, But you don't forget the people who fed you. I'm not saying that it should be 100 % focused on Franchise although you say franchise players are a minority. There are far more people who play it than you think. And for Franchise players to be completely ignored so they can make money after the sale of the game is pretty crappy.

If it was about the love of the game. They wouldn't be selling you extras for cash. I understand this is the way of the future but again Franchise players have been sent out to pasture and have been told, We don't need you anymore. We don't make money from you after we sale you the game. Franchise players supported this game from day one. This game is no longer about baseball, It's about CARD play. and in my opinion young people don't have the patience to earn cards through play,, They will simply by them.

I love MLB the show, I think it was once the best sports game ever produced. As far as game play and other options available, It still is. I have spent way to much time playing it. Baseball is a big part of my life. But if you are a Franchise player like myself, I see no reason at all to purchase MLB 22 this year. Franchise would be no more than a roster improvement.

To ignore Franchise completely, Not even mention it, is a slap in the face to those that bought this game throughout the years. This is just my personal opinion.. I will continue to play 21. This will be the first year i will not be supporting MLB the show.

[mthsgrg32]

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I am a franchise player and have been since MLB existed. I would like to remind SONY.. This game was BUILT on franchise mode.. Everything else was an add on. Franchise was the heart of this game. But obviously GREED and making lots of money on the side, after the game is purchased is now TOP PRIORITY

I doubt very seriously that I will purchase this game. Mainly because they did nothing to the game that interest me. I am in my 11th season in franchise in MLB 21, My 9th year in road to the show and although I do have a diamond dynasty team, I play the CPU teams and have never spent one cent on a card for my Cleveland Rockers. When I do play online, (very rarely) I only play with my friends because i feel there is to much cheating and unfair games playing the random public.

For Online players, DD and all the card games + Co-op might be the future. But a 71 year old like myself who has been involved with BB all my life. It's all about Franchise. Building, recruiting, minors development, growth, That's what BB is all about..And MLB 22 doesn't offer anything that I don't already have in MLB 20, 21. As a franchise player, I resent the fact that DD and the other options get all the attention and we get nothing. I blame GREED. Not the game itself.

I do believe it's about money. When MLB was first created, It was all about franchise.. And they made millions of dollars from it through the years. So yes, Times have changed, But you don't forget the people who fed you. I'm not saying that it should be 100 % focused on Franchise although you say franchise players are a minority. There are far more people who play it than you think. And for Franchise players to be completely ignored so they can make money after the sale of the game is pretty crappy.

If it was about the love of the game. They wouldn't be selling you extras for cash. I understand this is the way of the future but again Franchise players have been sent out to pasture and have been told, We don't need you anymore. We don't make money from you after we sale you the game. Franchise players supported this game from day one. This game is no longer about baseball, It's about CARD play. and in my opinion young people don't have the patience to earn cards through play,, They will simply by them.

I love MLB the show, I think it was once the best sports game ever produced. As far as game play and other options available, It still is. I have spent way to much time playing it. Baseball is a big part of my life. But if you are a Franchise player like myself, I see no reason at all to purchase MLB 22 this year. Franchise would be no more than a roster improvement.

To ignore Franchise completely, Not even mention it, is a slap in the face to those that bought this game throughout the years. This is just my personal opinion.. I will continue to play 21. This will be the first year i will not be supporting MLB the show.

What makes people believe franchise hasn't been touched just because they haven't shed any light.

[Caulfield]

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I am a franchise player and have been since MLB existed. I would like to remind SONY.. This game was BUILT on franchise mode.. Everything else was an add on. Franchise was the heart of this game. But obviously GREED and making lots of money on the side, after the game is purchased is now TOP PRIORITY

For Online players, DD and all the card games + Co-op might be the future. But a 71 year old like myself who has been involved with BB all my life. It's all about Franchise. Building, recruiting, minors development, growth, That's what BB is all about..And MLB 22 doesn't offer anything that I don't already have in MLB 20, 21. As a franchise player, I resent the fact that DD and the other options get all the attention and we get nothing. I blame GREED. Not the game itself.

I do believe it's about money. When MLB was first created, It was all about franchise.. And they made millions of dollars from it through the years. So yes, Times have changed, But you don't forget the people who fed you. And for Franchise players to be completely ignored so they can make money after the sale of the game is pretty crappy...

posting from my PlayStation, not enough room to quote whole post.

unless Sony opened up their financial particulars to you, it could be that the Show was as close to death as 2k baseball. baseball in the video gaming sense, isn't nearly as profitable as say other sports video games like such as Madden, FIFA and even NBA2k. I'd even go so far as to say baseball compared to basketball, American and Association footballs, is practically as a niche market as golf or NASCAR video gaming. I hope with the Show expanding to other consoles, that will be enough to sustain it for years to come.

while I can live w/o DD and RTTS, w/o franchise/season play, I'm not purchasing but for as many jabs as I take at DD, it could be what keeps the Show afloat to allow us to continue to enjoy franchise, even if it's just a basic rudimentary shell of what a lot of us dream for it to be.

[SmashMan]

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I am a franchise player and have been since MLB existed. I would like to remind SONY.. This game was BUILT on franchise mode.. Everything else was an add on. Franchise was the heart of this game.

When MLB was first created, It was all about franchise.

This gets thrown around a lot (and it certainly plays well in the OS bubble) but it’s not true.

Don’t take my word for it - go look up the box art for this series, going back to PS1. You know what you find them advertising? What they think are the most important things to entice players? Spoiler: you’ll find many more mentions of more control, new animations, better graphics, new ways to play with friends, quick experiences, etc. than you will franchise, which is almost always just thrown in among a short list of available modes.

If someone wants to say franchise is getting less than it used to, I obviously agree. I play franchise (though less lately with the off-field stuff being so stale), I’m there with you. But this “it used to be all about franchise” mentality is just overdramatic.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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What makes people believe franchise hasn't been touched just because they haven't shed any light.

The fact that franchise hasn’t even gotten a mention yet is the reason people fear it hasn’t been touched.

Personally I’ll wait until they are done their feature premieres before worrying about it.


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[jcar0725]

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Its quite possible that if the show only focused on franchise, that the game would have died a few years ago. If the other modes they offer are keeping the game afloat, with minor tweaks to franchise, then I'm all for it.

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[Kccitystar]

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The fact that franchise hasn’t even gotten a mention yet is the reason people fear it hasn’t been touched.

Personally I’ll wait until they are done their feature premieres before worrying about it.


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Or, since a lot of what you can do in Franchise mode as GM ties into what's in the CBA, with a lockout ongoing and no new CBA by the time the game is released, maybe there isn't much they can talk about publicly?