What’s The Beef With Diamond Dynasty?

[CleveCluby]

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Some very good points on both side have been made. I have not seen a post that say's Franchise should be the main focus. And yes, maybe we jumped the gun on updates for franchise. There is a slight possibility that they MIGHT do something for it. But their track record say's differently. if I was a gambling man, I'd put up some very good odds against it.

And I disagree. I pretty much own every BB board game and every BB video game that has ever been produced. Going all the way back to Mattel and Nintendo. When MLB first hit the market, the HEART of the game was FRANCHISE. They may have advertised new and different features, but franchise was the main menu. It remained that way for a few years. Online Took MLB in a different direction. Which I can understand. That is the future. That's just the way it is. Offline is pretty much dead.

My point is they could put as much effort into a few new options, game play, features, into Franchise to keep those of us who supported them all these years. At least show an effort like franchise players matter.

Everyone finds and enjoys different styles of play. There for, every feature in the game should get some attention. Franchise has not been getting that period. Now as someone said that maybe nothing has been said about franchise because of the lockout. That could be possible. And if MLB announces some updates for Franchise. I will be the first on here to apologize. For me personally, after doing several hours of TECH TEST, I honestly seen nothing different except cosmetic features and online options. So if Franchise is just a copy and paste. There would be no reason at all for me to purchase MLB 22.

[Dolenz]

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To ignore Franchise completely, Not even mention it, is a slap in the face to those that bought this game throughout the years. This is just my personal opinion.. I will continue to play 21. This will be the first year i will not be supporting MLB the show.

First things first, your loyalty, my loyalty or the loyalty of Operation Sports forum posters carries no weight at all. The sooner we realize that the better. I am sure, if given the choice, that any big company would alienate 1 customer if it means gaining 2.

In my mind there are two choices when it comes to Franchise Baseball. You can play the more shallow franchise experience of MLB: The Show and get the nice graphics, commentary, and the ability to take control and play a game out. Or you can play Out Of The Park Baseball and get a wealth of customizability and depth at the expense of the fancy graphics and having to rely on the simulation engine instead of your stick skills.

Personally I choose the latter.

[Caulfield]

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First things first, your loyalty, my loyalty or the loyalty of Operation Sports forum posters carries no weight at all. The sooner we realize that the better. I am sure, if given the choice, that any big company would alienate 1 customer if it means gaining 2.

even if there were 2 mainly franchise customers for every 1 mainly DD customer, that wouldn't be enough to make Sony shift its focus back to franchise. if the one typical DD customer is spending 5 times the amount of $ an average franchise guy spends, well, you can do the math

also, as far as OOTP and the Show, there's no way I'd not choose having both if at all possible.
having only one is like saying no more bread for me please, I'll have all water lol

[NYJin2011tm]

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I hate every time I open all sports games I get notifications of HUT, MUT, DD, whatever you want to call it. I don't care about any of it and should be able to turn it all off if I want.

[Caulfield]

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I hate every time I open all sports games I get notifications of HUT, MUT, DD, whatever you want to call it. I don't care about any of it and should be able to turn it all off if I want.

90% of the time, the first thing I do when getting ready to play the Show, is disconnect my PlayStation from the internet

[ninertravel]

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I hate every time I open all sports games I get notifications of HUT, MUT, DD, whatever you want to call it. I don't care about any of it and should be able to turn it all off if I want.

same for when finishing a franchise game.. imagine how many stubs I have that never used over the years it be a DD players wet dream lol

[nflman2033]

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Would love a centralized thread for everyone to express their opinions on DD. I’m seeing the hate for it in every thread on this forum and the consensus I’m seeing is that everyone seems to be under the impression that franchise is bare and neglected because of DD.

My thought process on this whole thing is, franchise mode was barebones and neglected YEARS before DD came along. The Show has always had the weakest franchise mode of the major sports titles (along with Madden, but even Madden 21 and 22 have a better franchise mode than The Show)

I can’t remember a year in which I was really invested in a Show franchise mode because of the awful progression system, and the lack of innovation/progress.

We’ve been asking for years and years and years for an overhaul to franchise mode and we’ve never gotten it. It’s never been much of a priority for The Show, and I think DD is catching all the flack and hate because SDS has never recognized franchise as a priority.

Personally, I think DD is the most fair and fun of all the card collecting modes in sports games today. I haven’t spent a single dime in the mode and I’ve accumulated quite a strong team. Clearly the dev team is stronger in certain aspects of creativity, and franchise isn’t one of them unfortunately.

Let’s discuss, though. Would love to hear others opinions on this.

I agree that DD unfairly bares the brunt of franchise players wrath.. I also agree DD is easily the best card collecting mode of the major sports that I've played. I do disagree about the notion that Franchise was barebones before DD. I would say that maybe it's neglect begun before DD with RTTS, but it was still a great mode. What has happened is that the focus away from Franchise has not allowed any of the fixes we expected years ago and obviously saw no innovation since then. It's allowed the NBA 2Ks and Maddens to catch up and surpass.

I think the biggest issue is that 2K and EA have not completely abandoned the franchise players the way SDS has, and with DD being top of the line, it's easy to mistake the fact that SDS just isn't big enough of a company to put the resources in both Franchise and DD. Financially speaking it's the right move. It's also the move to cater to the majority rather than us loud spoken minority.

[Funkycorm]

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same for when finishing a franchise game.. imagine how many stubs I have that never used over the years it be a DD players wet dream lol

I never minded this. Because before 21, those stubs could be used to add to franchise budget. With my stubs I earned playing my 2027 Indians season on 20, I had enough for an extra $150 million in budget with solely selling the cards they rewarded you or the 11th inning rewards that pop up.

I get the inconvenience of it, but in 20 and before those stubs were quite beneficial to those that play multiple seasons in franchise. It turns a low budget team into a spender.

One of my downsides with 21 was the lack of being able to buy franchise budget.

[JoshC1977]

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even if there were 2 mainly franchise customers for every 1 mainly DD customer, that wouldn't be enough to make Sony shift its focus back to franchise. if the one typical DD customer is spending 5 times the amount of $ an average franchise guy spends, well, you can do the math

I have no arguments against anything written here. But this all makes sense, you serve your better-paying customers first.

I'll say this though; I genuinely think there is a little more to it than just money. DD could be far more shady with their profiteering practices with DD than they are (2k and EA are FAR worse). I fully acknowledge that money is part of it, but there's something else with this series that underpings everything.

I genuinely believe that at least some at SDS have embraced the notion that most gamers believe that "online is more fun". SDS has shifted so much focus towards getting people to play online the last several years (which is ironic given their servers). Franchise/MtO have been basically ignored, RTTS' core design was scrapped to accommodate online play in '21, and even DD itself has heavily lacked high-quality content for offline players.

I hear the retort now, "They want people to play online because they will spend more money to compete". Is that a probable angle? Absolutely. But if SDS was THAT obsessively concerned about milking cash out of its customers, they would be FAR more predatory with other practices than they have been.

I genuinely think that SDS just is in a phase where they are highly online-focused across the entire game. This is where many of the franchise community, by bashing players of other modes. are really hurting the community. IMO, the real issue isn't "DD vs Franchise", it is getting SDS to understand that the offline-only community as a whole have been alienated; particularly over the last couple of years.

[jcar0725]

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I have no arguments against anything written here. But this all makes sense, you serve your better-paying customers first.

I'll say this though; I genuinely think there is a little more to it than just money. DD could be far more shady with their profiteering practices with DD than they are (2k and EA are FAR worse). I fully acknowledge that money is part of it, but there's something else with this series that underpings everything.

I genuinely believe that at least some at SDS have embraced the notion that most gamers believe that "online is more fun". SDS has shifted so much focus towards getting people to play online the last several years (which is ironic given their servers). Franchise/MtO have been basically ignored, RTTS' core design was scrapped to accommodate online play in '21, and even DD itself has heavily lacked high-quality content for offline players.

I hear the retort now, "They want people to play online because they will spend more money to compete". Is that a probable angle? Absolutely. But if SDS was THAT obsessively concerned about milking cash out of its customers, they would be FAR more predatory with other practices than they have been.

I genuinely think that SDS just is in a phase where they are highly online-focused across the entire game. This is where many of the franchise community, by bashing players of other modes. are really hurting the community. IMO, the real issue isn't "DD vs Franchise", it is getting SDS to understand that the offline-only community as a whole have been alienated; particularly over the last couple of years.

I'm way out of touch when it comes to online play, but most of the young people I know that play sports games seem to be more interested in playing online than offline franchise, and trying to raise their online stats to impressive levels, gathering perks and 99 rated players, and complaining about people who quit games when they're losing etc etc. It's an entire world that I am not involved in so I could be way off. An entire world that is WAY different from offline franchise. And maybe that's where they get better advertising dollars?

[JoshC1977]

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I'm way out of touch when it comes to online play, but most of the young people I know that play sports games seem to be more interested in playing online than offline franchise, and trying to raise their online stats to impressive levels, gathering perks and 99 rated players, and complaining about people who quit games when they're losing etc etc. It's an entire world that I am not involved in so I could be way off. An entire world that is WAY different from offline franchise. And maybe that's where they get better advertising dollars?

You're right....but it isn't just "offline franchise"....it is offline....period. THAT is such an important point I think many people (particularly here) miss out on....

[jcar0725]

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You're right....but it isn't just "offline franchise"....it is offline....period. THAT is such an important point I think many people (particularly here) miss out on....

Ah good point, I hadn't considered that.

[ripcandlestickpark]

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For what it's worth, Diamond Dynasty does seem to be the least predatory card-collecting mode (the only other one I have personal experience with is Madden Ultimate Team). I also appreciate the fact that you're able to play full games against the CPU, and the use of actual Topps card designs does add a ton of charm.

I think the main reason for animosity towards DD and other card-collecting modes isn't so much the perceived taking up of resources (from what I understand, maintaining and updating those modes doesn't suck up as much resources as we might assume), but the impression that they have the developers' ear much more than offline/Franchise players. It feels like their gameplay and technical issues are acknowledged and addressed much more quickly/urgently than those of Franchise/offline users.

[SmashMan]

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I genuinely believe that at least some at SDS have embraced the notion that most gamers believe that "online is more fun".

I think we can break this down even further and say that for these players it's not necessarily the online experience itself, it's just that playing a human is more fun than playing the CPU.

Technology just makes that easier now than back in the days of gaming being couch co-op/split screen play, so naturally a lot of attention is paid to make sure that human vs human experience is solid and engaging.

[jcar0725]

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I think we can break this down even further and say that for these players it's not necessarily the online experience itself, it's just that playing a human is more fun than playing the CPU.

Technology just makes that easier now than back in the days of gaming being couch co-op/split screen play, so naturally a lot of attention is paid to make sure that human vs human experience is solid and engaging.

One of my best buds loves playing Madden, but he only plays it when he and I are in a league together and play each other. He's not interested in an offline franchise by himself at all. So, that's probably along the lines of what you're saying.