Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

[ninertravel]

Re: Logo Vaults Will Transfer to MLB The Show 22, Stadiums Won’t

Huh? That's not how it works at all.

If you're changing the overall structure of how the game creates a roster and adjusting the CPU logic of how that type of roster functions with the players in it, that impacts literally all of the modes in different ways:

- How the CPU in the game utilizes two-way players in Franchise/MTO (right now in '21 it’s impossible to play with Ohtani unless you bump stamina and durability to 99 and rest him the day before and after a start.

- How you can use those types of players in Diamond Dynasty (right now, Ohtani's Finest card can't be used as an SP no matter what you do, only as a position player pitching even though his secondary position is SP)

- How the CPU decides to utilize you in RTTS if you're a two way player

There are a lot of moving parts with that one adjustment in the game's code with how the rosters work, and while it looks like it's accommodating Ohtani right now, the changes in the roster and AI logic are probably all set for two-way players moving forward in the series.

I'm really optimistic that it's a one and done deal and Y2Y comes back for '23.

it's simple Y2Y saves worked on a player iD. so Ohtani from 21 has the same player ID as 22... the code says Ohtani from 21 BANG converts to Ohtani from 22.. no issues at all. I am talking rosters here not Y2Y saves.

the same way player ID CC Sabatha ID in previous game would say 'ok you are retired so lets convert you to a generic player name but keep your career stats

it isn't that hard! Ohtani is one friggin player . anyone with classic rosters wouldn't be even effect if this was the reason based on one damm player which they have had 4 years to fix the way two way players work

and if Ohtani was the 'excuse for 22. what was the excuse for 21 with no Y2Y saves?

[Kccitystar]

Re: Logo Vaults Will Transfer to MLB The Show 22, Stadiums Won’t

it's simple Y2Y saves worked on a player iD. so Ohtani from 21 has the same player ID as 22... the code says Ohtani from 21 BANG converts to Ohtani from 22.. no issues at all. I am talking rosters here not Y2Y saves.

the same way player ID CC Sabatha ID in previous game would say 'ok you are retired so lets convert you to a generic player name but keep your career stats

it isn't that hard! Ohtani is one friggin player . anyone with classic rosters wouldn't be even effect if this was the reason based on one damm player which they have had 4 years to fix the way two way players work

and if Ohtani was the 'excuse for 22. what was the excuse for 21 with no Y2Y saves?

Well, I'm not a developer with SDS, and you're not a developer with SDS. We both don't exactly know the inner workings of the games so we can't really determine what's easy and what's considered not so hard. Because of this, it's good as a fan of the games to try to get some sort of idea of how the game works and understanding how things interact with each other. I think this is a good way to make some fairly educated guesses as to why some things are set up the way that they are or why some things have been removed.

With this in mind, to answer your question, it's likely to me (and this is just my guess) that MLB 21 didn't have year to year saves because the core modes that actually use that roster data the most (Franchise/MTO/RTTS) were being reworked for '21, so old data wouldn't work for what was being changed. For example, Franchise mode in 2021 had a bunch of new changes to the CPU logic that impacts rosters, specifically how players are evaluated, player projections, the addition of weighing in a players production to their salary (AAV), the new yearly budget system with projections that impacts how you are able to build your roster, etc.

Y2Y saves still being left out this year is a clear sign that the internal systems within those modes are still being worked on.

I hope what I explain makes sense, because game development isn't easy, especially for a sport like baseball that is insanely driven by stats and analytics. Something like trade logic for example is an extremely complex process for every sports title, and there are big engineering teams in these studios (EA/2K) that work really hard on making sure the systems in the games work well and work correctly with each other.

[davidwbell04]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

This isn’t news. Logos have automatically transferred to the next game as long as they’re uploaded two or so months prior to release.

Everything is on their servers. Same with rosters and created players.

Too bad they can’t do the same treatment for offliners with uploaded rosters and players from the last years game

[davidwbell04]

Re: Logo Vaults Will Transfer to MLB The Show 22, Stadiums Won’t

Well, I'm not a developer with SDS, and you're not a developer with SDS. We both don't exactly know the inner workings of the games so we can't really determine what's easy and what's considered not so hard. Because of this, it's good as a fan of the games to try to get some sort of idea of how the game works and understanding how things interact with each other. I think this is a good way to make some fairly educated guesses as to why some things are set up the way that they are or why some things have been removed.

With this in mind, to answer your question, it's likely to me (and this is just my guess) that MLB 21 didn't have year to year saves because the core modes that actually use that roster data the most (Franchise/MTO/RTTS) were being reworked for '21, so old data wouldn't work for what was being changed. For example, Franchise mode in 2021 had a bunch of new changes to the CPU logic that impacts rosters, specifically how players are evaluated, player projections, the addition of weighing in a players production to their salary (AAV), the new yearly budget system with projections that impacts how you are able to build your roster, etc.

Y2Y saves still being left out this year is a clear sign that the internal systems within those modes are still being worked on.

I hope what I explain makes sense, because game development isn't easy, especially for a sport like baseball that is insanely driven by stats and analytics. Something like trade logic for example is an extremely complex process for every sports title, and there are big engineering teams in these studios (EA/2K) that work really hard on making sure the systems in the games work well and work correctly with each other.

Except that is doesn’t. Logic is just that. Just giant strings or if and or etc statements that tells the game what to do what in certain statements.

And there was no new budget system. They just converted it to annualized instead of weekly because it was so difficult to understand. They still haven’t fixed purchasing guys not on the 40 man roster and bringing them up or even calling guys up and having their salary reflect MLB minimums. They’ll still get paid minor league salaries.

And sorry. Baseball is likely the easiest sport game to code for. Especially given it’s a game of batter vs pitcher and the rest is just reactions. The stats and analytics are just a by product of the sports. I can write those formulas in excel quickly. But the game can’t drive systems off those stats because they’re not calculated (or poorly, looking at you WAR and bWAR) in the game.

It’s definitely frustrating, these are low hanging fruit. The devs aren’t lazy or talented by any means, gameplay is top notch. I get priority and all, but if this is how they treat certain modes, why even bother (besides trying to tie everything back into DD, legends, cards, rewards)

[countryboy]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

The financial/budget system in ‘21 was actually redone versus previous years.

They redid the financial system due to expanding rosters from 90 to 93 players.




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[davidwbell04]

Sorry, but going from 90 to 93 roster spots is not expanding. It’s the same as it’s always been. But you couldn’t purchase budget funds with stubs. The financial system is still the same. No non roster invites. No purchasing minor league contracts to add to the 40man. Calling up guys from AAA, but then not adjusting the salary to MLB minimum. No changes to financial tendencies based on market. No trading contracts or adding cash to trades. Three extra roster spots and presenting budget annual vs weekly is not redoing the backend financial system

[countryboy]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Sorry, but going from 90 to 93 roster spots is not expanding.It’s the same as it’s always been. But you couldn’t purchase budget funds with stubs. The financial system is still the same. No non roster invites. No purchasing minor league contracts to add to the 40man. Calling up guys from AAA, but then not adjusting the salary to MLB minimum. No changes to financial tendencies based on market. No trading contracts or adding cash to trades. Three extra roster spots and presenting budget annual vs weekly is not redoing the backend financial system

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[PVarck31]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Sorry, but going from 90 to 93 roster spots is not expanding. It’s the same as it’s always been. But you couldn’t purchase budget funds with stubs. The financial system is still the same. No non roster invites. No purchasing minor league contracts to add to the 40man. Calling up guys from AAA, but then not adjusting the salary to MLB minimum. No changes to financial tendencies based on market. No trading contracts or adding cash to trades. Three extra roster spots and presenting budget annual vs weekly is not redoing the backend financial system

Dude, this isn't OOTP.

[jcar0725]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Sorry, but going from 90 to 93 roster spots is not expanding. It’s the same as it’s always been. But you couldn’t purchase budget funds with stubs. The financial system is still the same. No non roster invites. No purchasing minor league contracts to add to the 40man. Calling up guys from AAA, but then not adjusting the salary to MLB minimum. No changes to financial tendencies based on market. No trading contracts or adding cash to trades. Three extra roster spots and presenting budget annual vs weekly is not redoing the backend financial system

Its a video game man, not real life.

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[Caulfield]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Sorry, but going from 90 to 93 roster spots is not expanding. It’s the same as it’s always been. But you couldn’t purchase budget funds with stubs. The financial system is still the same. No non roster invites. No purchasing minor league contracts to add to the 40man. Calling up guys from AAA, but then not adjusting the salary to MLB minimum. No changes to financial tendencies based on market. No trading contracts or adding cash to trades. Three extra roster spots and presenting budget annual vs weekly is not redoing the backend financial system

no bench coach, no bullpen coach, no dugout phone to call said bullpen, no cpu ai balks, the rosin bag does nothing to increase my pitching control and every batter uses the same size bat. this endless list is... endless. but what the Show does do is play a mean game of nine innings. you do that grind out 162 times, see where you stand in October. proceed from there. that's the heart of baseball. and the Show does have that. do I want more? of course. I also want $2 gallon of gas, sugar and caffeine to be the cure to covid and a time machine. but I ain't getting any of that any time soon either

[ninertravel]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Ok so let's say the Ohtani thing is right and that is the 'excuse' for not being in the game for transferring old rosters... why not just be able to transfer individual players then?? you can't tell me much would be change to stop a 21 MLB player to transfer to mlb 22 it will be 99% the same. I would take that being able to have individual players transfer over if it's so complicating to make it work with a roster.

Logos are individual files I see no reason why players can't transfer over as well... except for the fact of actually stopping us doing it on purpose to make us buy mlb 23

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

Ok so let's say the Ohtani thing is right and that is the 'excuse' for not being in the game for transferring old rosters... why not just be able to transfer individual players then?? you can't tell me much would be change to stop a 21 MLB player to transfer to mlb 22 it will be 99% the same. I would take that being able to have individual players transfer over if it's so complicating to make it work with a roster.

Logos are individual files I see no reason why players can't transfer over as well... except for the fact of actually stopping us doing it on purpose to make us buy mlb 23

Let us transfer a roster. The roster cannot be used in a franchise, or exhibition, maybe a disclaimer if you try to do so, but we could export individual players and upload them to the fault. That said, a great help would be expanding the number of real players in their opening day roster. Eh, just a thought.

[Arilamont]

Re: Diamond Dynasty Logos Will Transfer Automatically From MLB The Show 21 to 22

How do I upload logos for 22? I have an Xbox and I am fairly new to the Show