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  • canes21
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    • Sep 2008
    • 22930

    #151
    Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

    I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.

    I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.

    It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.

    I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.

    I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.

    I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.

    Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.

    Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.

    Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.

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    • CBoller1331
      It Appears I Blue Myself
      • Dec 2013
      • 3082

      #152
      Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

      Yeah I think combining the two modes wouldn't do either one any favors. However I would like to see a few more things migrate into franchise from MtO. Specifically the trade block options to narrow down the types of players each team is looking for, as well as a form of the free-agency negotiations they implemented this year (but I agree in its current form it is too simple to be a valuable addition to franchise mode)
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      • knich1
        Pro
        • Apr 2017
        • 796

        #153
        Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

        The best and most important thing that came from the stream is that Ramone said this is the foundation for franchise (not MTO) for the future.

        I was feeling a little depressed for the future of franchise and am now optimistic.

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        • knich1
          Pro
          • Apr 2017
          • 796

          #154
          Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

          Can someone explain who is TABarnes? Sounds like a popular guy.

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          • bryanm1982
            MVP
            • Nov 2016
            • 3793

            #155
            Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

            Originally posted by canes21
            I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.

            I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.

            It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.

            I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.

            I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.

            I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.

            Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.

            Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.

            Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.

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            I agree. That could very well be the case. And if they can make MTO have all the options we can do on Franchise, then that is okay with me. We all win. But it would be nice like you said if they communicated that. We would like to know what the ultimate goal is of MTO.
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            • canes21
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2008
              • 22930

              #156
              Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

              Originally posted by bryanm1982
              I agree. That could very well be the case. And if they can make MTO have all the options we can do on Franchise, then that is okay with me. We all win. But it would be nice like you said if they communicated that. We would like to know what the ultimate goal is of MTO.
              Exactly. Communication goes a long way. Many things can be forgiven if a reason is given. The updates to franchise mode this year and last are mediocre to me, but I would be okay with the updates if I were told MtO was built from the ground up with the future in mind and the ultimate goal is within 2 years, or whatever, it will have everything franchise mode has now, plus much more, and it will become the new franchise mode.

              However, if we were told that isn't the plan and they want to have both modes simultaneously, then it becomes confusing and we must ask why they felt this was the necessary move. If they simply felt franchise mode was too complex for the casual crowd then it's confusing as to why they didn't introduce settings to give casual users more options to play a simpler franchise mode. Building a completely new mode for just that doesn't make sense.

              I have to assume the ultimate goal is to remove franchise mode, but have MtO offer the same experience and then some. It's the only thing that makes sense longterm.

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              • dubplate
                MVP
                • Dec 2002
                • 3784

                #157
                Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                Originally posted by knich1
                Can someone explain who is TABarnes? Sounds like a popular guy.


                He was a member of OS that had some great ideas on how to improve franchise mode and landed a job with SDS because of them.


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                • olecrankygamer
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 72

                  #158
                  Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                  How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?

                  How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous

                  Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts

                  Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.

                  Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics

                  If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules

                  BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.

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                  • Funkycorm
                    Cleveland Baseball Guru
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 3159

                    #159
                    Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                    Originally posted by Ragnar84
                    This is an in season tuning update promoted as a foundation for future updates. They said this last year too and look how that worked out.
                    ZERO FRANCHISE specific features were added. Playoff rotation should have been in the game long ago. You still can’t relocate or realign the league. Still no coaching carousel or even coaching staff that you can hire and fire and no front office either. It’s a shell of a mode but not as horrible as Madden yet. In the next few years the mode will be eliminated.


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                    Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.

                    And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.

                    Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.

                    You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.

                    Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.

                    To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.

                    I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.

                    I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.
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                    • countryboy
                      Growing pains
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 52799

                      #160
                      Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                      Originally posted by olecrankygamer
                      How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?

                      How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous

                      Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts

                      Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.

                      Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics

                      If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules

                      BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.


                      You can already play with no dh in franchise and the shift will be in ‘22 as the ban doesn’t go into effect until next season


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                      • Ragnar84
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2018
                        • 259

                        #161
                        Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                        Originally posted by GamingCeo27
                        Disagree that it will be eliminated. I think we as gamers always want to pick apart the negative. Lets look at the positive there was a lot of it this year. I mean they could have not touched it at all. I know everyone wants it to be like OOTP and have every feature in the world but that would take so much code work on a game that is also about graphics. Could you image how much work OOTP would need to put in if they wanted to add MLB style graphics to their game? And doing into for rosters of 9000 players.


                        No, I don’t expect OOTP version of the game but there is middle ground between what that game is and what MLBTS produces. This is why I like NBA 2k the best of all franchise modes. Instead of continuing with My league/GM they created an entirely new mode MYNBA on the NG versions. The old gen still has MY GM/league and those modes are really good on their own. To me the myNBA mode is the bar that the other sports games should model their franchise modes after. And one thing to keep in mind they did that during a pandemic and in the first next GEN version of the game. Now look at what madden or MLB the show has done on NexGen in the past two versions of that game. Virtually nothing.





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                        • Ragnar84
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 259

                          #162
                          Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                          Originally posted by JoshC1977
                          Speaking for myself - I would REALLY prefer they never combine MtO and franchise.



                          MtO is a simplified, condensed and curated experience which helps guide players through the intricacies of MLBs crazy roster rules and structure (ask an average fan to explain the Rule 5 draft....). It hits on the "high points" of the baseball season while helping the gamer to stay engaged.



                          For folks who may like baseball but don't KNOW it well, going through the full franchise experience (and MLBTS does it pretty well) can be daunting - forcing players into either muddling through things (which can be frustrating) or setting things to auto (which is the worst possible thing you can do to a gamer from an engagement perspective).



                          Merging the two would be a nightmare. Just the UI alone would be problematic. There's no way those MtO screens make any sense when you're managing the entire roster down through A ball. And even if you somehow adapted it; you begin to backtrack from the guided experience MtO offers. As a franchise guy, I don't need a button to look for a finesse pitcher....I go through the options available in the FA list and look at the pitch mix plus ratings for the guys available. I don't want it distilled down by some algorithm, I want to do my own digging.



                          I think the two modes have value but they are for two completely different audiences; merging them will almost assuredly require compromises (that one or both audiences may not like). Adding 4 billion menu options is not an appropriate answer either; you're just begging for issues.



                          One other spin on this topic....I have zero interest in playing MtO. But if there was a curated mode like this for a sport I know less about (like soccer) I could totally see myself giving it a whirl.


                          I wish they would follow what 2K did with the MYNBA mode on NG. My league/GM on old gen was great but MYNBA is even better. And they’re still making billions of dollars with their my team in my player modes.


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                          • olecrankygamer
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                            • Jul 2020
                            • 72

                            #163
                            Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                            Originally posted by canes21
                            I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.

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                            I would be fine with that if they test it 5 years out, because how many Franchise players go 20 years on the same version of the game?

                            I'd just like customization and online leagues

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                            • Ragnar84
                              Rookie
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 259

                              #164
                              Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                              Originally posted by Funkycorm
                              Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.



                              And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.



                              Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.



                              You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.



                              Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.



                              To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.



                              I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.



                              I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.


                              Yeah forget about the staff hiring because it’s so limited and hasn’t changed in forever. The lack of customization overall removes any hint of realism.
                              In another. Post I mentioned MYNBA mode. That’s the bar that SDS and EA won’t try to attain.



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                              • olecrankygamer
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2020
                                • 72

                                #165
                                Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

                                Originally posted by countryboy
                                You can already play with no dh in franchise and the shift will be in ‘22 as the ban doesn’t go into effect until next season


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                                I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.

                                I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups

                                and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option

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