MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

[Ragnar84]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

I would assume MtO is going to become franchise mode at some point. It seems odd for them to continue having it and Franchise side by side.

I assume MtO was built to have a new foundation for the future since it's been cited that Franchise mode is built on such an old foundation it is hard to flesh out anymore.

It makes sense to me that MtO is there to get the new foundation down, add to it, while keeping Franchise mode around, with the eventual goal of having MtO setup to where it can be enjoyed exactly like the traditional Franchise mode, but they have the foundation there to flesh it out.

I assume it will eventually allow you to play every game, every pitch, it will have all the rules of the CBA like franchise mode, etc. I would also guess that they will have multiple preset setups for the mode so that more casual players can play the mode in a streamlined manner like it is now, while other more hardcore players can play it out like they do Franchise mode now. Of course, users could change the settings and get a hybrid type mode where maybe they want to play every game, but want many things streamlined or even automated.

I do hope this is the route they're going. It makes sense with what they're adding to the mode and not also adding to franchise mode. It also makes sense because it's very odd for them to have two competing franchise modes if this wasn't the goal all along.

I do wish they'd come out and be honest and tell us what the plan is. I would be perfectly fine with minimal updates for a couple of cycles if it truly meant MtO was being built from the ground up so it could replace franchise mode and really flourish and satisfy both the casual and hardcore crowds along with all of those in between.

Their lack of communication is what leads to frustrations. We weren't told why MtO became a thing, really. It simply became a thing. We aren't being told why they are splitting resources between it and Franchise mode at a time where frustrations with Franchise mode have been an all time high in the community.

Honestly, if their plan is to have both modes side by side moving forward, it becomes even more puzzling and frustrating because if this franchise mode is to stay and be here longterm, and these minor updates are all we get all the while MtO is getting more updates to it, it just becomes a question of what made them decide that was the right plan.

Call it copium, but I feel like the only thing that makes sense is MtO eventually gets fleshed out and Franchise mode is technically removed, but MtO offers everything it had an more, meaning franchise mode is gone in name only.

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Exactly, once the season starts it’s radio silence until they drop the trailer for the next seasons game. But as we learn this year they didn’t even plan on adding FRANCHISE to the stream. So if they are combining those modes eventually then give us that information but they’re working towards something instead of one mole gets new features and the other one gets tuning updates. And if that’s the case fine but don’t try to hide because you’re afraid of negative feedback. The reason there’s negative feedback for them is because they do nothing and say nothing about them all that’s been in the game since it was created and act like they basically doesn’t exist anymore. What you said was exactly right.


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[countryboy]

MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.



I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups



and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option

You said you to play with the shift, NO DH, and realignment and stated none would be available this year or next and that is what my response was in regards to


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[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

Franchise won't be eliminated. It's on legacy code. They can keep it in without too much work. Why remove it? My guess is MLB licensing agreement requires the game to have a full representation of the season. Which it does in franchise.

And you most definitely can hire and fire coaches. You have manager, hitting coach, pitching coach, first base coach, third base coach, and farm director.

Along with 4 scouts you can replace whenever you see fit.

You can't realign the league but you can relocate teams with the custom team option. It's not perfect but it can be done.

Franchise is in need of improvements. Namely progression, regression, roster size increase, draft round increase, and better draft class generation.

To be fair presentation and commentary play a bigger part in franchise than online modes.

I was not a fan of 21 and had many issues with it and called them out here multiple times. Some of those got addressed here. Not all but some.

I am still on the fence about 22 but to say franchise is going away is down right incorrect.

To be fair, they removed Season Mode back in The Show 18 without any notice, I believe. That mode had been around forever, too. So it's not unheard of to remove a "legacy" feature.

[ped3328]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

I said if you choose ALL DH mode than you only have DH vs RH and DH vs LH and vis a vis with no DH you have only two lineups.

I do 32 team control as most Franchise players and it be nice to just have 2 lineups

and as for the shift, you cannot disable 3 batter minimum for RPs so I am trying to get ahead of the curve (NPI) and have both of those options. With licensed games they usually go with the rules of the game with NO ability to choose another option

I thought MLB consisted of 30 teams LOL

[MetsFan16]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

At first I thought multi year MTO could be a fun way to rebuild a team but then I didn’t see any mention of trading for prospects, scouting/drafting, trading in offseason, only signing free agents

[TheBrew101]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

To me logic is what makes the mode work so I'm glad that has been updated. Hopefully it continues as a focus but is greatly expanded upon.

I also wish they could have incorporated aspects of MTO free agency into franchise free agency. It looks like a fun, new addition. These are the type of things Franchise mode needs in my opinion.

Overall. I'm a little disappointed as I feel more could have been done. But I am intrigued by the logic changes. I'm also happy to learn TABarnes is involved. I could tell he had a passion from his posts here at Operation Sports over the years so I think this bodes well for Franchise improvements.

[markus1]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Feature Premiere - March to October, Franchise Mode (Discuss Here

I certainly am not a game designer, but I feel MLBs new schedule will actually be easier to implement than a rotating interleague schedule.

3 game series vs everybody in the other league. Alternate home team every year.

Seems easier than figuring out a rotating division to play each year.

I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.

[baconbits11]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

How about doing away with 4 lineups if you choose ALL Dh or NO DH?

How about awarding gold gloves based on stats AT THAT POSITION? Tired of seeing a guy who played 50 games at a position win the GG when he played 90 games at his natural position and was average OR Ohtani winning the Pitcher GG in my NON DH league. BTW, graphics look the SAME since 2018...ludicrous

Also, you WILL have to control all teams in Franchise as the teams will STILL sign a big time LF free agent even if they have 3 great RFs as the programming cannot recognize position pliability, They will also have bad lineups and a SP with 10 starts and 7.00 ERA starting even though the Long reliever has been dominant or a AAA SP is ready to come up AND the will not DFA players that are having bad years with low value contracts

Lastly, I am against every thing the new CBA agreed on and would like to have the ability to shift (what a current zeitgeist rule, lol) NO DH and customized playoffs and divisions but I doubt that will be in the game this season or next.

Stinks, I LOVE the GAME of baseball, but MLB is boring and dumbed down version of a once great game. I can only hope OOTP starts becoming on game playable even if it has old school graphics

If you love the changes, all the power to you...not trying to say it won't be a great game for YOU, but for me, it is like the death of a beloved pet for me the last 3 versions of this game along with the new MLB rules

BTW try this with MLB 21 and the new game. When pitching DON'T move the pitching cursor, throw main pitch, then throw 2nd pitch, then throw 3rd, then 4th, NOW go back from last pitch to first. Better success than trying to paint the corners with aiming. Taht shows me they go with Diamond Dynasty H2H testing before anything else.

Strange, you want to keep the shift but no on DH. Interesting....

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[BigOscar]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

I've not watched the stream, so I'm basing this mostly on write ups, but from what I can tell seemingly most of these changes seem to revolve the "player metric", essentially how the computer values players. Then this has a knock on effect to 40 man construction, trade logic, free agency etc. Almost everything in the write up seems to boil down to how much teams value players and how that will effect logic. (with a couple of other minor things like longer contract/higher AAV limit and the Ohtani rules)

Anything big that I'm missing from the write ups or is that the crux of it?

[canes21]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Feature Premiere - March to October, Franchise Mode (Discuss Here

I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.

Scheduling in these games is actually complex. It's still inexcusable that a AAA developer never got rotating interleague schedules in.

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[JoshC1977]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

I've not watched the stream, so I'm basing this mostly on write ups, but from what I can tell seemingly most of these changes seem to revolve the "player metric", essentially how the computer values players. Then this has a knock on effect to 40 man construction, trade logic, free agency etc. Almost everything in the write up seems to boil down to how much teams value players and how that will effect logic. (with a couple of other minor things like longer contract/higher AAV limit and the Ohtani rules)

Anything big that I'm missing from the write ups or is that the crux of it?

That's the general gist...

A couple of other items....

- contending teams more likely to trade prospects at the deadline. The didn't say this, but I think this could help with the positional backlog that prevents prospects from developing. (another knock-on effect)
- rebuilding teams more likely to add relievers to trade blocks.
- free agents will be more likely to go into free agency vs immediately re-signing and the free agents' signings will more accurately "drag on" through the off-season (which can impact how you approach signing guys). Signed FAs will not be immediately traded.
- high quality relievers will be valued more properly dollar-wise
- roster build from SDS will not contain any "fake" players (and it sounds like they did work in resolving past issues like prospect ages and so on)

[Archie56]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Feature Premiere - March to October, Franchise Mode (Discuss Here

I can't think of anything easier to implement. All you have to do is put the last six MLB schedules in the game and just rotate them year by year. There's no way that would take a game developer more than 10 minutes.

If it was easy, it would've been done already.

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[baconbits11]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Feature Premiere - March to October, Franchise Mode (Discuss Here

If it was easy, it would've been done already.

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It has.... by 2K AND EA.

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[Archie56]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Feature Premiere - March to October, Franchise Mode (Discuss Here

It has been by 2K AND EA.

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And?!? They have said they have tried to implement it before and it totally crashed franchise. I'd rather play the same couple AL or NL teams and have a game that works, but that's just me. Also, MLB is changing the schedule next year so that all teams play each other. So it doesn't really matter anymore.

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[countryboy]

Re: MLB The Show 22 Franchise and March to October Deep Dive

It doesn’t matter after this year anyways due to balanced schedule coming in 2023 so kind of a waste of time to debate why it hasn’t been done , who’s done it , and the ease of doing it




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