The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Lowering control doesn't mean throw outside the zone on purpose. I always pitch wherever the catcher says along with pitch type. I use ball marker so I 100% always aim inside the strikezone. Default control and consistency means I rarely throw a ball outside the zone. I refuse to purposely throw a ball just so the cpu works a count. If I can paint corners all game with my fastball then I'm throwing it nearly every time.

You can't tell me IRL a pitcher hits his mark 90-95% of the time. I would say the ball hits where they're aiming a good 60-65% of the time. And using classic pitching you have to learn how to feel pitches. If one isn't locating no matter what that is like real life. You just stick to the fastball and work in your off speed pitches sporadically until you gain some confidence in the pitch. Then it will start hitting the strikezone.

What exactly is the obvious if we're not supposed to touch sliders given to us to use?

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First, I use classic pitching. I have no idea what that has to do with aiming every pitch into the strike zone like a little leaguer that can't make the jump to high school ball.

If you aren't throwing sliders away out of the zone, curveballs in the dirt, and heaters up above the zone, you aren't doing anything but serving up batting practice.

Sliders are good to tweak a personal experience. This notion sim gamers got in the 90's that sliders were the key to all that is sim and good in sports games ruined gameplay for a generation. It's finally improved in recent years, to the point you really don't have to adjust out of the box much at all.

The really frustrating part is how these forums encourage this behavior, to the point that people come here complaining about the game they ruined themselves. I mean, I can't think of a bigger fail of a baseball forum than somehow influencing baseball fans into thinking aiming outside of the zone is bad.

[DarthRambo]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Deleted post cause I don't need personal attacks

[baseballguy99]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Would be awesome if the simply made legend default pitching harder. Cpu offence has been punchless on default for a few years now..

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Irl if the pitcher could, he'd start 0-1 every at bat. No pitcher aims for a ball first pitch. They just miss 35-40% of the time. That's about the percentage I would like to see myself instead of missing 15% at most. Sliders are great to allow everyone to create the gameplay they want to have for their liking. Don't hate the player, hate the game right? Lighten up it's just a game. Don't attack someone just cause they want a different experience than you.

I don’t mind having sliders for people like you, that clearly don’t understand the game of baseball beyond the rules of the game. But I’m going to respond when I see clearly ridiculous suggestions like yours, which leads others down a path of hating a game they should love.

It honestly never occurred to me that anyone believes pitchers don’t throw first pitch balls on purpose. There is not a better example of how sim gaming has broke the minds of sports fans, the point they no longer compete. They only play games to make sure the stats look good. There is no interest in strategy, because they let the CPU take care of all of it.

So you sit there and throw to the spot the CPU tells you every time, and you sit there and act like you are “getting a feel.” WTF?

On the plus side, it appears the devs don’t read this site anyway.

[DarthRambo]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

People buy the game with money they earned, it’s ok for someone to play it however they want. There’s really no need to be a giant d**k to people for playing a game that they paid their own money for however they want to play it.

He's an *******. I blocked him cause there is no need for that. Deleted my comments in this thread too cause it's useless banter. I imagine he's one of those douchebags who still yell at people for not wearing a mask.

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[kdutch98]

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Just flat out amazing that someone would think that lowering the pitch control slider would not be "sim" or not be a solution.

It's going to cause you to miss more pitches. Pitches that were aimed to be strikes that have more of a chance to end up outside the strike zone. Just like in real life. No pitcher hits their spot every single pitch. Even Greg Maddux missed his spots.

I pitch on Legend difficulty, with Human pitch control and human pitcher consistency one notch below default. I also use CLASSIC pitching.

This causes my pitchers to miss their spots quite often. I can bury curves in the dirt, but, occasionally, I'll hang one. (and when I do, it usually gets crushed)

Something you will notice, is your good pitchers won't miss their spots as much as the lower tier starters will. But, you get a variation. Even the top tier starters will have "off games" where nothing seems to be working. And occasionally the lower tier pitchers will have a game where they are "on" (just like in real life)

But, what I notice most often, is a pitcher will seemingly just not have the feel for a certain pitch. Can't locate it to save his life. Makes me adjust my strategy. Not completely jettisoning that pitch, but only using it sparringly.

[DarthRambo]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Just flat out amazing that someone would think that lowering the pitch control slider would not be "sim" or not be a solution.



It's going to cause you to miss more pitches. Pitches that were aimed to be strikes that have more of a chance to end up outside the strike zone. Just like in real life. No pitcher hits their spot every single pitch. Even Greg Maddux missed his spots.



I pitch on Legend difficulty, with Human pitch control and human pitcher consistency one notch below default. I also use CLASSIC pitching.



This causes my pitchers to miss their spots quite often. I can bury curves in the dirt, but, occasionally, I'll hang one. (and when I do, it usually gets crushed)



Something you will notice, is your good pitchers won't miss their spots as much as the lower tier starters will. But, you get a variation. Even the top tier starters will have "off games" where nothing seems to be working. And occasionally the lower tier pitchers will have a game where they are "on" (just like in real life)



But, what I notice most often, is a pitcher will seemingly just not have the feel for a certain pitch. Can't locate it to save his life. Makes me adjust my strategy. Not completely jettisoning that pitch, but only using it sparringly.

Basically exactly what I had previously said. Dude is just a douche who doesn't understand or is just one of those guys who like to argue and think he has to be right or else.

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[Spaced Ace]

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I play on default HoF across the board and the AI is pretty patient. I mean, if you throw nothing but strikes, of course they are going to be up there swinging. I like to set batters up, sometimes I get them chasing, sometimes I wind up walking them. I try to never give them anything good to hit (though I do miss spots occasionally and they make me pay (as they should). HoF plays very well out of the box, at least for me. I turn strike zones and other visual aids off.

[DarthRambo]

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I play on default HoF across the board and the AI is pretty patient. I mean, if you throw nothing but strikes, of course they are going to be up there swinging. I like to set batters up, sometimes I get them chasing, sometimes I wind up walking them. I try to never give them anything good to hit (though I do miss spots occasionally and they make me pay (as they should). HoF plays very well out of the box, at least for me. I turn strike zones and other visual aids off.

Yeah I just can't realistically play without a ball marker myself. I have it in my head that real life the pitcher knows exactly the spot he wants to hit so why shouldn't I lol... However a clean screen is cool and I have tried it many times, but definitely not for me long term. All that stuff disappears as the pitcher winds up anyway. You're right though this year default HOF the cpu hitting is solid. Last year I had to go to legend to get any type of challenge from them.

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[kdutch98]

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Yeah I just can't realistically play without a ball marker myself. I have it in my head that real life the pitcher knows exactly the spot he wants to hit so why shouldn't I lol... However a clean screen is cool and I have tried it many times, but definitely not for me long term. All that stuff disappears as the pitcher winds up anyway. You're right though this year default HOF the cpu hitting is solid. Last year I had to go to legend to get any type of challenge from them.

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I'm a "clean screen" guy, too, as I want my games to be as close to a TV broadcast as possible.

However, I do leave the pitching ball marker on "FADE" so it disappears.

[DarthRambo]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

I'm a "clean screen" guy, too, as I want my games to be as close to a TV broadcast as possible.



However, I do leave the pitching ball marker on "FADE" so it disappears.

Yeah I use classic fade as well

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[bronxbombers21325]

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Question, since there are people with more knowledge of sliders than me in this thread. Does bumping starter stamina up a notch make them pitch better, like make them harder to hit? I bumped it up because I like them to go a bit longer than 4 innings, but since I bumped it up my offense has went down. Would that effect that, or am I just in a cold streak?

[kdutch98]

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I think sliders foe lowering control are perfect foe low IQ player that don’t realize that throwing pitches outside the zone to induce chasing is actual strategy.

They are perfect for anyone. Pitches don't always go where the pitcher wants them. In fact, rarely do they go exactly where the pitcher wants them to go.

Lowering the pitch control slider makes things more realistic.

Even pitches meant to be off the plate, to induce chasing, sometimes end up catching more of the plate than intended. Just as pitches meant to be strikes often don't catch the plate at all.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

I think sliders foe lowering control are perfect foe low IQ player that don’t realize that throwing pitches outside the zone to induce chasing is actual strategy.

Pitching out of the zone is a strategy, yes, but control is also still way too good in general. Both things can be true.

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[loso_34]

Re: The AI does not know how to be patient at the plate

Switch to classic pitching you can’t expect a.i to take pitches in good locations.