Bullpen logic… ad nauseam

[BigOscar]

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Has any of the people who actually talk to SDS ever managed to get an answer out of them about this? As it's been gamebreakingly bad for years now and I've never heard them even mention or acknowledge it.

It genuinely puts me off wanting to play franchise as I don't want to have to constantly micromanage all the computer teams to try and stop them just using their 6th starter to pitch every relief appearance. It really isn't an unreasonable request to be able to play franchise mode without having to play with 30 team control.

Obviously all their "partners" are mainly just DD players who play online so don't have to put up with the terrible AI, but surely some of them play offline occasionally or at least know people who do? How is it not a constant topic of discussion? It seems an incredibly basic thing to fix, that they've made no attempt whatsoever to do for years

[countryboy]

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I do single team control in franchise, playing every pitch of every game and do not see the AI using their LR/6th starter in every relief appearance/game. The bullpen usage is pretty good in my experience.

They vary their usage of relievers over the course of a season/series, both in games I play and in games the AI plays against itself (simmed games)

[Detroit Tigers]

Bullpen logic… ad nauseam

Disregard this post

[Caulfield]

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I'm curious what the attraction is to simming. This is easily the best sports game ever made in terms of graphics and gameplay.

I haven's seen bullpen issues playing the games.

I have one franchise where I play all 162 games
but I have another where I play 54 games and sim 108
and that's for time-saving purposes
even if I retired from work, I'd still like to sim sometimes

[loso_34]

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Has any of the people who actually talk to SDS ever managed to get an answer out of them about this? As it's been gamebreakingly bad for years now and I've never heard them even mention or acknowledge it.

It genuinely puts me off wanting to play franchise as I don't want to have to constantly micromanage all the computer teams to try and stop them just using their 6th starter to pitch every relief appearance. It really isn't an unreasonable request to be able to play franchise mode without having to play with 30 team control.

Obviously all their "partners" are mainly just DD players who play online so don't have to put up with the terrible AI, but surely some of them play offline occasionally or at least know people who do? How is it not a constant topic of discussion? It seems an incredibly basic thing to fix, that they've made no attempt whatsoever to do for years

For all of the flack 2k receives they actually do more for their franchise community. If I remember correctly madden and mlb have larger franchise communities and they outright ignore you guys.

[countryboy]

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Played a 3 game series against the Brewers. All 8 arms in the bullpen pitched in the series. Elieser Hernandez who is their LRP only pitched in one game, the 2nd game of the series as he came in after we knocked Peralta out in the 4th inning after putting up 7 runs on 5 hits with 4 walks and 2 HBP, while he was in the game.

No pitcher appeared in all 3 games.

[KnightTemplar]

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Played a 3 game series against the Brewers. All 8 arms in the bullpen pitched in the series. Elieser Hernandez who is their LRP only pitched in one game, the 2nd game of the series as he came in after we knocked Peralta out in the 4th inning after putting up 7 runs on 5 hits with 4 walks and 2 HBP, while he was in the game.

No pitcher appeared in all 3 games.

Well, same can’t be said from my experience. I got so sick of seeing the same two RP pitchers enter the game (and both would come from th LRP slot) that I dropped every teams pitchers down to 12 leaving the LRP slot empty. It’s been an obvious every year thing for me.

[countryboy]

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Well, same can’t be said from my experience. I got so sick of seeing the same two RP pitchers enter the game (and both would come from th LRP slot) that I dropped every teams pitchers down to 12 leaving the LRP slot empty. It’s been an obvious every year thing for me.

Yeah not sure why the difference experiences, but I'm not seeing the LRP being used every game. And this is thru 200 some odd games of franchise mode.

I don't know if playing with traditional DH rules (I'm not using DH in NL) is a reason or not since the AI pinch hits, but the AI bullpen usage this year has been pretty solid in both played and simmed games.

[strosdood]

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Yeah not sure why the difference experiences, but I'm not seeing the LRP being used every game. And this is thru 200 some odd games of franchise mode.



I don't know if playing with traditional DH rules (I'm not using DH in NL) is a reason or not since the AI pinch hits, but the AI bullpen usage this year has been pretty solid in both played and simmed games.

The only thing I’ve noticed is that when the CPU needs a reliever before the 6th inning they tend to lean on the LRP more, my biggest issue with that is that they’ll use the same guy 2 days in a row when he pitched 3 innings the day before which obviously would never happen in this day and age of baseball


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[Detroit Tigers]

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The only thing I’ve noticed is that when the CPU needs a reliever before the 6th inning they tend to lean on the LRP more, my biggest issue with that is that they’ll use the same guy 2 days in a row when he pitched 3 innings the day before which obviously would never happen in this day and age of baseball


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Alternative perspective incoming:

When I see this I view it as a reward. Facing the same LRP in consecutive games is the game saying “ok here’s your opportunity to put up a crooked number.”

This game is extremely balanced imo in that it is not particularly rude or harsh to the player but it is not particularly nice either. Very neutral in its raw inherent difficulties. As such, when the game is “nice” to you I have every reason to assume you earned it.

Case in point listen to what you’re actually saying: “it’s BS the AI isn’t slamming the door in my face.” Now me? I’ve had the door slammed in my face all season. Dead last in team BA at .229. I couldn’t give a rip in hell who they bring in; 100% of the time it seems like they’re putting in who they can or who they want to, so what’s the problem? hence I have no issues with the AI’s BP management.

Ya know?

Just my two cents. Cheers.

[Ragnar84]

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Would be nice if SDS would modernize the game by adding the ability to use 3–5-6 man rotations. But this goes back to them stating the mode code is so old that they can’t do much with it anymore. So here we are. Trying to figure out how to manage around broken game logic on a NG game. Doesn’t seem NG to me though. My go to example is nba 2k22 mynba mode. When the old one is broke, build a new one!!!


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[falconpark]

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Apologize if this has been addressed; very new at this. I've noticed that in Franchise when I change the pitcher's role in 'edit player' (say from SP to RP, or RP to CP) my change is not reflected during a game in the bullpen. The game just seems to give the pitchers whatever designation it wants independent of the pitcher type I assigned them.

An added wrinkle is that in the "choose starter" menu prior to game start, it appears that all the pitcher types are correct as I have assigned them. Then in-game it reverts to what the CPU wants.

Any suggestions? Thanks.

[Ragnar84]

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Are you still going with the same set up and have you made any changes to it since this post? Thanks!

While not perfect, I have a method I use that helps with simmed and cpu management:

Closer-CP
SU-top RP
LRP1-2nd RP (make sure stamina is under 40)
LRP2-3rd RP (make sure stamina is under 40)
MRP1-4th RP
MRP2-5th RP
MRP3-6th RP
MRP4-my long reliever

Using this method, the cpu brings in the top RP in those one run and tie games and with the lower stamina generally pull them after 1-2 innings. I have seen the RP in those slots end the season with about 80 innings which may still high but not crazy.

And the long reliever generally pitches less games but gets more innings due to a higher stamina, generally in mop up roles and such.


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[ty5oke]

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For those who don't want to do 30-team control, does anyone have good slider set to help with the LRP? I'm using hook at full at the moment. Does lowering RP stamina slider help when LRP are listed as SP for their positions?

[DarthRambo]

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For those who don't want to do 30-team control, does anyone have good slider set to help with the LRP? I'm using hook at full at the moment. Does lowering RP stamina slider help when LRP are listed as SP for their positions?

Sliders won't fix that issue. Best thing you can do is raise manager hook to 10 once the cpu goes to the bullpen. That helps a lot with them leaving a RP in too long.

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