Anyone know how Sony comes up with their ratings? 3 yr weighted average?

[jsou4646]

Just wondering if anyone has any info on how San Diego studios does their ratings. 2021-50% 2020-25% and so on. Just curious because i used to have my own charts that i created. For example Brandon Woodruff’s h/9 i think is 77 but his average against was top 5 last year. Should be in the 90s rating wise.

[DonkeyJote]

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I've read it's just a straight 3 year rolling average and not weighted, but that could be wrong. Not sure what metrics they use though. I've seen batting average and ISO for contact and power. But there's some weird variance in batting average if that's the case, and it's a much tougher scale vRHP than vLHP. So, not sure.

Speed for most players is just based on the previous season's sprint speed. But there are a handful that get extra speed - Mookie Betts, for example, has 62 speed but should be more like 52. But there are only a couple players I've seen whose speed ratin deviates more than 1 point from others with the same sprint speed. I would bet that Reaction for outfielders is based on Statcast OF Jump and the other aspects of fielding are probably OAA. They may also have access to more than the publicly available statcast data through MLB, especially for fielding.

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[jsou4646]

Re: Anyone know how Sony comes up with their ratings? 3 yr weighted average?

Thanks for the reply

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I think the ratings should account for multiple seasons.

Conversely though, how do you rate a guy like Ty France, who has limited experience thanks to teh Covid years, but is absolutely shredding it this year?

I don't think they can win this one, regardless of the road they chose.

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Anyone know how Sony comes up with their ratings? 3 yr weighted average?

I think the ratings should account for multiple seasons.



Conversely though, how do you rate a guy like Ty France, who has limited experience thanks to teh Covid years, but is absolutely shredding it this year?



I don't think they can win this one, regardless of the road they chose.

Ty France is rated pretty highly. He's got 94 contact v R for his .297 avg the last 3 years vs righties, .343 this year. Only 58 power, but he only has a .139 ISO the last 3 and .142 this year. He shouldn't really have a ton of power He's 75/75 vs lefties with a .290/.295 avg and .198/.205 ISO. I could see his Contact v L coming up to 80 ish, but his hitting attributes seem pretty fair to me.


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[Madden08PCgmr]

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Ty France is rated pretty highly. He's got 94 contact v R for his .297 avg the last 3 years vs righties, .343 this year. Only 58 power, but he only has a .139 ISO the last 3 and .142 this year. He shouldn't really have a ton of power He's 75/75 vs lefties with a .290/.295 avg and .198/.205 ISO. I could see his Contact v L coming up to 80 ish, but his hitting attributes seem pretty fair to me.

I think Ty is rated fairly and accurately. Just speaking to the the highwire act SDS has to perform.

A 3-year scale is the most accurate way to build a roster, IMO. There isn't 3 solid years of data for a guy like France. And I don't think it will happen, but what if Ty totally goes in the tank? How many franchises would have him as a contender for the AL batting crown?!

These guys can constantly be second guessed no matter what they choose to do.

.. at least the end user can do as they choose. That is the really all we can ask for.

[Detroit Tigers]

Re: Anyone know how Sony comes up with their ratings? 3 yr weighted average?

I think Ty is rated fairly and accurately. Just speaking to the the highwire act SDS has to perform.

A 3-year scale is the most accurate way to build a roster, IMO. There isn't 3 solid years of data for a guy like France. And I don't think it will happen, but what if Ty totally goes in the tank? How many franchises would have him as a contender for the AL batting crown?!

These guys can constantly be second guessed no matter what they choose to do.

.. at least the end user can do as they choose. That is the really all we can ask for.

Agreed it gets tricky, and this is another opportunity for me to beat the drum of editing players so that their ratings make sense TO YOU.

I have Eric Haase, dude has 99 PWR OOTB against lefties because of what he did last year. It’s ridiculous at times. How about 75 PWR? Or 85? 99!? I have his power against righties at 64 and 75 against lefties.

Miggy, similar: OOTB he had very pedestrian batter ratings, then with the roster update I downloaded suddenly he had upper-80s contact again like it’s still 2016. I have him with 74 contact against lefties and 66 contact against righties.

Etc., with the point being the ratings have to make sense to YOU first and foremost. The only shame in editing players’ ratings would be if you went around turning crappy guys into awesome ones. If you’re just editing so that stuff makes sense there has never been any shame in that. It’s all gotta make sense to the user.

[Quentin32]

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Why is mookie so slow? I will never understand that

[DonkeyJote]

Re: Anyone know how Sony comes up with their ratings? 3 yr weighted average?

I think Ty is rated fairly and accurately. Just speaking to the the highwire act SDS has to perform.

A 3-year scale is the most accurate way to build a roster, IMO. There isn't 3 solid years of data for a guy like France. And I don't think it will happen, but what if Ty totally goes in the tank? How many franchises would have him as a contender for the AL batting crown?!

These guys can constantly be second guessed no matter what they choose to do.

.. at least the end user can do as they choose. That is the really all we can ask for.

Ty France has played 311 games at this point. He's got a pretty solid sample size.

Agreed it gets tricky, and this is another opportunity for me to beat the drum of editing players so that their ratings make sense TO YOU.

I have Eric Haase, dude has 99 PWR OOTB against lefties because of what he did last year. It’s ridiculous at times. How about 75 PWR? Or 85? 99!? I have his power against righties at 64 and 75 against lefties.

Miggy, similar: OOTB he had very pedestrian batter ratings, then with the roster update I downloaded suddenly he had upper-80s contact again like it’s still 2016. I have him with 74 contact against lefties and 66 contact against righties.

Etc., with the point being the ratings have to make sense to YOU first and foremost. The only shame in editing players’ ratings would be if you went around turning crappy guys into awesome ones. If you’re just editing so that stuff makes sense there has never been any shame in that. It’s all gotta make sense to the user.

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Everyone is obviously free to do what they want with their rosters. Personally, I don't edit ratings. I think people are inherently biased, and users created rosters generally have some really dumb stuff that's worse than default. The only way I would ever do roster ratings would be to establish a system where x stat = y rating and apply that universally. And it should be rooted in numbers and data, maybe scouting reports for rookies/minor leaguers. Anything short of having a data driven formula is too prone to subjectivity imo.

Why is mookie so slow? I will never understand that

He's not slow, he's above average. His speed in the game is actually quite a bit higher than it should be. His sprint speed in 2021 was pretty close to league average. Based on that, his speed in the game should be 51-52 instead of 62. SDS was giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was the hip injury and that he'd be back to normal this year, but that hasn't been the case, as he's still only a bit above league average.

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[Quentin32]

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Ty France has played 311 games at this point. He's got a pretty solid sample size.




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Everyone is obviously free to do what they want with their rosters. Personally, I don't edit ratings. I think people are inherently biased, and users created rosters generally have some really dumb stuff that's worse than default. The only way I would ever do roster ratings would be to establish a system where x stat = y rating and apply that universally. And it should be rooted in numbers and data, maybe scouting reports for rookies/minor leaguers. Anything short of having a data driven formula is too prone to subjectivity imo.



He's not slow, he's above average. His speed in the game is actually quite a bit higher than it should be. His sprint speed in 2021 was pretty close to league average. Based on that, his speed in the game should be 51-52 instead of 62. SDS was giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was the hip injury and that he'd be back to normal this year, but that hasn't been the case, as he's still only a bit above league average.

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The play I just witnessed with Mookie makes no sense. The 3rd baseman bobble the ball twice on a dribbler and still gunned down Mookie easy. No way he that slow

[DonkeyJote]

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The play I just witnessed with Mookie makes no sense. The 3rd baseman bobble the ball twice on a dribbler and still gunned down Mookie easy. No way he that slow

Would you be stunned if that happened to Will Smith? Because irl, Smith and Betts have ran at the same speed this year. How about Juan Soto? Or Freddie Freeman? Because Betts was 0.1 ft/s faster than Soto and Freeman last year. His speed has fallen off the last two seasons.

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[Quentin32]

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Would you be stunned if that happened to Will Smith? Because irl, Smith and Betts have ran at the same speed this year. How about Juan Soto? Or Freddie Freeman? Because Betts was 0.1 ft/s faster than Soto and Freeman last year. His speed has fallen off the last two seasons.

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I watch every dodger game if that play that happen to me took place irl. Mookie would be 100/100 safe easily. Same for Will & Soto

[DonkeyJote]

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I watch every dodger game if that play that happen to me took place irl. Mookie would be 100/100 safe easily. Same for Will & Soto

Maybe the fielder scooped it up really fast. Don't know what to tell you besides runners in this game go from HP to 1B way too fast across the board, and Mookie's speed in this game is actually higher than his irl speed.

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[AUTiger1]

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Everyone is obviously free to do what they want with their rosters. Personally, I don't edit ratings. I think people are inherently biased, and users created rosters generally have some really dumb stuff that's worse than default. The only way I would ever do roster ratings would be to establish a system where x stat = y rating and apply that universally. And it should be rooted in numbers and data, maybe scouting reports for rookies/minor leaguers. Anything short of having a data driven formula is too prone to subjectivity imo.

I totally get what you're saying and I agree with it. My only counter would be someone like Kyle Wright. Out of the box he's a 63 (if I remember correctly) and that's pretty generous given how bad he had been in his MLB time. But this year he's been a totally different pitcher, I don't know what the SDS guys have him as now on the updated rosters (one of the updates had him at a 73) but does it reflect the guy that has been really really good this year and at times totally dominant?


10 GS, 59 2/3 IP, 41 H, 18 R, 16 ER, 3 HR, 23 BB, 66 SO, 2.41 ERA, 2.94 FIP, 1.073 WHIP


If that was over the course of 30 starts that's a Cy Young type season. Me personally, I edited his ratings and he ended up at a 78. I think that's about fair judging from how the other players are rated on the game and I don't believe I boosted him too much.

[DonkeyJote]

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I totally get what you're saying and I agree with it. My only counter would be someone like Kyle Wright. Out of the box he's a 63 (if I remember correctly) and that's pretty generous given how bad he had been in his MLB time. But this year he's been a totally different pitcher, I don't know what the SDS guys have him as now on the updated rosters (one of the updates had him at a 73) but does it reflect the guy that has been really really good this year and at times totally dominant?


10 GS, 59 2/3 IP, 41 H, 18 R, 16 ER, 3 HR, 23 BB, 66 SO, 2.41 ERA, 2.94 FIP, 1.073 WHIP


If that was over the course of 30 starts that's a Cy Young type season. Me personally, I edited his ratings and he ended up at a 78. I think that's about fair judging from how the other players are rated on the game and I don't believe I boosted him too much.

I want to clarify, I don't edit ratings on my own. I do apply the SDS ratings updates in my franchise for exactly the reason you're talking about, guys like Kyle Wright. Because, yeah, he's really low out of the box. But he's up to 81 on the SDS rosters now.

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