Pitch clock & other rule changes

[Seancefc]

It’s fairly safe to say we’re going to see a pitch clock and some sort of shift ban next year IRL so was wondering how/if these would be implemented in MLBTS23.

Is SDS usually on the front foot with rule changes so they coincide with real life or is it likely we’ll have to wait until 24?

The pitch clock is interesting given the fact the next pitch is usually skipped to (whether you like it or not), so at what point would it start? I personally don’t think it’d make a bit of difference to gameplay as you can play as quickly as you like but I do prefer immersion and reality.

The shift ban is more a question of whether or not they’re already working on it for next year as opposed to how.

[Caulfield]

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I'd tend to think the shift would be relatively easy to remove from the Show, even easier than implementing a pitch clock and especially easier than creating and adding the shift way back when they first introduced it to the Show.

[DonkeyJote]

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Pitch clock wouldn't be hard. It already exists in online play. They'd just have to change the "penalty" to a ball instead of a fastball down the middle. I don't think banning the shift would be too tough either.

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[TripleCrown]

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The bitchy side of me would reply SDS already introduced rules to shorten games length when they removed the very popular realtime presentation supposedly based on telemetry data that people were skipping it.

But i won’t right !?

As mentioned, other than for online, i don’t think there’s a value added for the pitch clock. It’s a video game after all and IRL they don’t have to answer phone, talk to your wife or just kiss the kids goodnight. If the year after they introduce the electronic balls/strikes system, we already have it with the perfect umpire setting.

Not trying to say your point haves no value but I’m not stressed if they do or don’t implement it. I’m most concerned with the new playoffs system they did not implemented yet and probably won’t this year.

[kehlis]

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Speaking strictly to offline gaming I'm not sure I'd want a pitch clock to be honest.

Pace of play for a video game doesn't matter much when I'm playing at my own pace and that's the sole purpose of the pitch clock in the game now.

If I'm not getting the pitch off in time in the game it's not because I'm walking around the mound, adjusting my hat, cleaning the ball meticulously or agonizing over the pitch selection. It's simply because after the last play something came up that made me need to put the controller down for a couple seconds. Would hate to come back to have walked in three runs. Also, it's not like we're ever waiting for the CPU to pitch either.

Also, I have to imagine it would be pretty hard to accurately program this into CPU logic.

Online - I don't play it but I could see a real need for it there so that would be great.


Also before anyone asks about different sports, keep in mind that no play clock in football, no shot clock in basketball all have very different impact in a timed game versus a non timed game like baseball.

[Ragnar84]

Pitch clock & other rule changes

Immersion wise I think they need to add all rule changes with the option to turn some of them on/off. SDS already limits franchise customization with players, teams and equipment so having all the real life MLB rules should be automatic.
NBA 2K allows you to adopt rule changes proposed to the league during the off season.

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[forme95]

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The no shift rule will be you cant stand behind 2nd base (or more so a V off of 2nd to the grass) or have a infielder in the grass. You will still be able to move players around. It wont be taking shifts out all together because of double play, corners in, etc. They will (god help us) have to adjust shift left or right keeping infielders out of the V and off the grass.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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I'm out if they put in a pitch clock.

Banning the shift is pathetic. Can't hit? Tough sh*t.

.. hopefully they treat both of these like the DH with a toggle to allow it or not. (although I'm sure that will go away in time)

[Caulfield]

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Also before anyone asks about different sports, keep in mind that no play clock in football, no shot clock in basketball all have very different impact in a timed game versus a non timed game like baseball.

and this is the exact reason why I softened my stance on no to a pitch clock:
for all the attempts to speed up a baseball game, even with a pitch clock, it's still ultimately an untimed sport. so yeah, lot less need for a pitch clock in the Show.
lot more important to have an option to have the shift rule in the Show to be the same as whatever the IRL mlb rule becomes. nonetheless, I'd still like two options: play with a shift rule where anything goes (basically no rule at all) and a more traditional old school where the only shifting is moving a few feet up or out and a few feet left or right (infielders and outfielders)

[loso_34]

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I'm out if they put in a pitch clock.

Banning the shift is pathetic. Can't hit? Tough sh*t.

.. hopefully they treat both of these like the DH with a toggle to allow it or not. (although I'm sure that will go away in time)

Yea, just give the pitchers all the advantages haha. The shift needs to go and I hope contact hitters are a thing again.

[Seancefc]

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I'm out if they put in a pitch clock.

Banning the shift is pathetic. Can't hit? Tough sh*t.

.. hopefully they treat both of these like the DH with a toggle to allow it or not. (although I'm sure that will go away in time)

I don’t think it’ll make many odds in terms of this game, I asked the question in terms of immersion. Which I’m all for as an offline franchise player.

Pitch clock IRL isn’t a bad thing IMO. I love the slow pace of baseball in comparison to other sports but there’s absolutely no need for the vast majority of batters to step out and adjust their glove straps after every pitch, as a single example to needless time wasting.

No reason todays game can’t be played as quickly as it was in the early-mid 80’s. The longer games aren’t as a result of any additions which bring anything positive to the game.

The shift I’m in agreement with. Start hitting the other way if the defence have left you a gap!! Problem is you have a generation of hitters who’ve been conditioned to pull & swing for the seats. I’d rather they adapted as opposed to the game.

[Caulfield]

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I don’t think it’ll make many odds in terms of this game, I asked the question in terms of immersion. Which I’m all for as an offline franchise player.

Pitch clock IRL isn’t a bad thing IMO. I love the slow pace of baseball in comparison to other sports but there’s absolutely no need for the vast majority of batters to step out and adjust their glove straps after every pitch, as a single example to needless time wasting.

No reason todays game can’t be played as quickly as it was in the early-mid 80’s. The longer games aren’t as a result of any additions which bring anything positive to the game.

MLB isn't really willing to do the one thing that it would take to get game times back to 2 and a half hours, and that is reduce down time between innings to 30 seconds. and that much just ain't happening. commercials reign supreme

speaking of which, Sony should sell airtime to sponsors to play their commercial cutscenes between innings, an innovative way to raise funding for franchise mode. those cutscenes all skippable, of course.
then tie it into franchise where your team makes more money during the season the more you let those commercial cutscenes play out w/o skipping. and that money is where you get a large chunk of your budget for free agents. again, all skippable but still to seriously impact your budget

[DarthRambo]

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Easy to say just hit the other way. Pitchers nowadays pitch different. They pitch towards the shift. They throw way harder than ever before too. They have a huge advantage over hitters, and the shifting compounds that. I do believe hitters can hit the other way, but the way they are pitched doesn't really allow them to, or at least makes it extremely difficult to do so.

I already play using fast play. Pitch clock would be pointless for a video game. I also turn shifts on manual and never shift. I wish I could turn them off for the cpu. It's easy to swing a bit late and shoot the ball the other way for an easy double vs the cpu on a video game. I would love to have the option to turn off shifts cause I already do vs the cpu hitting myself anyway.

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[Madden08PCgmr]

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Yea, just give the pitchers all the advantages haha. The shift needs to go and I hope contact hitters are a thing again.

Every rule change in every single sport has favored offense. I think its an absolute joke.

Baseball rule changes are the worst. 3 batter minumum? If I want to carry 17 pitchers and use them to get 27 outs, thats my buisness.

Why stop at 1 runner in extra innings? Why not just load the bases?

I'll give you legit reason why I don't want a pitchclock; Clayton Kershaw, Kenley Jansen, Mo Rivera

How many seconds does it take them to set up for their delivery? 3? More?SO by the time you get set and locate your pitch, how much time have I used? If the clock is only 10 seconds, its gonna be close every time.

And what if I step off? Is that a free ball too?

In baseball games themselves, I don't care. I'm all for Greg Maddux rapid fire.

This IS a game. Leave it out.

Its already in for online play. For good reason. Leave the rest of us alone.

[kehlis]

Pitch clock & other rule changes

Let’s keep this about the video game please.

You all know where to find the pro baseball forum if you want to discuss rule changes there.