TIME TO ADMIT FAILURE

[jcar0725]

Well, its official. My Oakland A's complete rebuild has come to an end. I was fired after year 3 as GM because the rebuild ended up being a complete failure. Wow did it really end up being awful haha.

So, it's on to a new challenge for the winter. I'm moving to the NL and I'm going to choose a team to rebuild, it doesn't have to be a total rebuild but at least somewhat of a rebuild.....

So, I'm choosing between -

MARLINS (PRO = GOOD UNIFORMS, GOOD STADIUM. CON = WON A WS IN THE 200'S AND DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT BASEBALL IN MIAMI?)

NATIONALS (PRO = TOTAL REBUILD, GOOD UNIFORMS, GOOD STADIUM. CON = RECENTLY WON A WS)

BREWERS (PRO = NEVER WON A WS, GOOD UNIFORMS, DECENT STADIUM. CON = WOULD HAVE TO DUMP SOME GOOD PLAYERS TO MAKE IT A REBUILD)

REDS (PRO = NO PRO'S I DON'T LIKE CINCY DUE TO OTHER SPORT RIVALRIES)

PIRATES (PRO = SEE REDS)

DBACKS (PRO = GOOD TEAM TO REBUILD. CON = I DO NOT LIKE THEIR UNIFORMS OR STADIUM)

ROCKIES (PRO = GOOD TEAM TO REBUILD, NEVER WON A WS, GOOD STADIUM). CON = I DO NOT LIKE THEIR UNIFORMS, I LOVE PURPLE BUT THEIR UNIFORMS ARE BLEH)

GIANTS (PRO- GREAT STADIUM. CON = I'VE USED THEM IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE SHOW, PLUS THEY'VE HAD TOO MUCH SUCCESS IN THE 2000'S)

So as I type this, I think I might be leaning Brewers or Marlins. It's a big decision ! As me and KnightTemp always say, this game is addictive and we have an illness

[JoshC1977]

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OK....so a couple of thoughts.

1. I think the Brewers are well-past any semblance of a rebuild (which you allude to a bit). That pitching staff is dominant and under control for at least 3 seasons. Yes, the offense is meh, but they're really the cream of the crop in that division. Dumping good guys from the outset to "make it a rebuild" is, IMO, a path to making it feel a bit contrived - you might have difficulties feeling connected. Another con (IMO), their broadcast pitching camera is awful if you use that.

2. A thought about teams "you hate". One of my favorite franchises ever was using a franchise (Atlanta) I absolutely cannot stand IRL. You have zero connection to anyone (because of your disdain) so you can really be objective and focus on building YOUR team. If you can really stomach it, the Pirates are such an interesting team with great uniforms and a beautiful ballpark. Just...don't dismiss options out-of-hand...though I totally get it....

3. If using the Nats - I'd like to recommend using an early-season roster. Soto is the reason here. Honestly, this is an opportunity to make your mark with a big move (and one within reason) that distances you from real life.

[jcar0725]

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OK....so a couple of thoughts.

1. I think the Brewers are well-past any semblance of a rebuild (which you allude to a bit). That pitching staff is dominant and under control for at least 3 seasons. Yes, the offense is meh, but they're really the cream of the crop in that division. Dumping good guys from the outset to "make it a rebuild" is, IMO, a path to making it feel a bit contrived - you might have difficulties feeling connected. Another con (IMO), their broadcast pitching camera is awful if you use that.

2. A thought about teams "you hate". One of my favorite franchises ever was using a franchise (Atlanta) I absolutely cannot stand IRL. You have zero connection to anyone (because of your disdain) so you can really be objective and focus on building YOUR team. If you can really stomach it, the Pirates are such an interesting team with great uniforms and a beautiful ballpark. Just...don't dismiss options out-of-hand...though I totally get it....

3. If using the Nats - I'd like to recommend using an early-season roster. Soto is the reason here. Honestly, this is an opportunity to make your mark with a big move (and one within reason) that distances you from real life.

You are absolutely right about the Brewers. I've done that with GOOD teams in the past that I wanted to "rebuild" and immediately felt like this does not feel genuine and ended up scrapping it. That's why maybe Miami feels a bit more like it could be more of an actual rebuild than MKE does. Miami also does already have some good young players. Man I really do like the Brewers uniform options though....I suppose I need to take more than uniform options in to consideration lol

The "hate" teams. I could not do Pitt, I just can't. Although they are the PERFECT team for what I am looking for. LOL. The Reds I could consider because the feelings aren't quite as strong.

My issue with the Nats is the recent run of success they had. I kinda am leaning towards finding a team that hasn't won anything in a while. But you're right that they otherwise do have everything else that I would be looking for if I can get past that. Okay so the Nats are back in as an option.

[JoshC1977]

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You are absolutely right about the Brewers. I've done that with GOOD teams in the past that I wanted to "rebuild" and immediately felt like this does not feel genuine and ended up scrapping it. That's why maybe Miami feels a bit more like it could be more of an actual rebuild than MKE does. Miami also does already have some good young players. Man I really do like the Brewers uniform options though....I suppose I need to take more than uniform options in to consideration lol

The "hate" teams. I could not do Pitt, I just can't. Although they are the PERFECT team for what I am looking for. LOL. The Reds I could consider because the feelings aren't quite as strong.

My issue with the Nats is the recent run of success they had. I kinda am leaning towards finding a team that hasn't won anything in a while. But you're right that they otherwise do have everything else that I would be looking for if I can get past that. Okay so the Nats are back in as an option.

OK....real talk...I thought Cincy would be the 100% NO for you (not Pittsburgh).

If you can stomach Cincy...a couple of thoughts:

1. GABP is a bandbox. You might like the contrast after using the A's; but expect lots of HRs.
2. You have a nice mix of expiring deals but a major behemoth contract with Votto that can slow things down. It's a strange mix. The pipeline is a mixed-bag too.

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Miami is interesting. They're kind like my Orioles (I am in Year 3 now of that rebuild) - you have a pretty good haul of young talent in the pipeline. Now it is about really growing them and adding pieces. I like them a bit better for you as the Nats are a bit more like the A's as they are in a bad state (the "scenario" might feel a little stale for you.

[CBoller1331]

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Just a thought for you, as far as the teams you like but dont care for their uniform/stadium, you could do a full rebuild & rebrand and create custom uniforms or a custom stadium for the team as well. Could possibly help make the team you choose feel more like your own

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[jcar0725]

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OK....real talk...I thought Cincy would be the 100% NO for you (not Pittsburgh).

If you can stomach Cincy...a couple of thoughts:

1. GABP is a bandbox. You might like the contrast after using the A's; but expect lots of HRs.
2. You have a nice mix of expiring deals but a major behemoth contract with Votto that can slow things down. It's a strange mix. The pipeline is a mixed-bag too.

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Miami is interesting. They're kind like my Orioles (I am in Year 3 now of that rebuild) - you have a pretty good haul of young talent in the pipeline. Now it is about really growing them and adding pieces. I like them a bit better for you as the Nats are a bit more like the A's as they are in a bad state (the "scenario" might feel a little stale for you.

Yeah its a Steelers/Browns problem. The Steelers have beaten the Browns so often that I don't want any of their other teams to have any success hahaha. Cincy is a nice town and they haven't had a ton of success until recently so the feelings aren't as harsh. But you brought up some good points that make them an interesting choice that I'll have to think about.

I kind of like the Marlins option for the reasons that you mentioned. There are pieces there to build around. The A's were so barren that getting that WS in 3 years was REALLY difficult, which is the challenge that I wanted but I'm not sure it's possible without it feeling like I cheated the system in order to get there. Does that make sense? It should feel somewhat "real" .

[KnightTemplar]

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The Nats recently won a World Series and at this rate they may never come close again. They are sorta stinkero for the near future unless someone bold comes along…….hint. Nice uniforms, citi connect, nice stadium.

[jcar0725]

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The Nats recently won a World Series and at this rate they may never come close again. They are sorta stinkero for the near future unless someone bold comes along…….hint. Nice uniforms, citi connect, nice stadium.

They are definitely in the conversation. It kinda feels like I'm interviewing these handful of teams and need to make THE DECISION of where i'm going to invest my time.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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If Milwaukee is an option.. why not the Mariners?

The core is in place (Julio, Kirby, Gilbert.. Brash, Munoz, France, Raleigh)
Tons of young movable pieces, so you can put your own spin on things
The have almost no big money on the books, outside of Robbie Ray and Julio

.. I'm blinded by the Julio appeal, I won't deny it. Feels like Junior/1989 all over again for me. Except this group should make the Playoffs right out of the chute.

[jcar0725]

Re: TIME TO ADMIT FAILURE

Just a thought for you, as far as the teams you like but dont care for their uniform/stadium, you could do a full rebuild & rebrand and create custom uniforms or a custom stadium for the team as well. Could possibly help make the team you choose feel more like your own

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Totally. I've toyed with this in between games with my A's rebuild just to test it out. I love the stadium options especially since people are really getting good at creating these stadiums (KNIGHTTEMP!!!) but its the uniform creations I struggle with. I've actually gotten good at uniform creations but there are things that just aren't quite right with the created uniforms that just bother me. I feel like the bad real MLB uniforms still look better than the created uniforms. I do love rebranding though, it's fun. But I just can never stick with a rebranded team for very long until they give me more uniform options and quality.

[jcar0725]

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If Milwaukee is an option.. why not the Mariners?

The core is in place (Julio, Kirby, Gilbert.. Brash, Munoz, France, Raleigh)
Tons of young movable pieces, so you can put your own spin on things
The have almost no big money on the books, outside of Robbie Ray and Julio

.. I'm blinded by the Julio appeal, I won't deny it. Feels like Junior/1989 all over again for me. Except this group should make the Playoffs right out of the chute.

Love that Mariners team. The biggest reason is because I want to go to the NL now that I've been in the AL all summer long. And I think the Mariners are actually too good now. Like my home town Cleveland, I wanted to use them but they're too good now.

[Madden08PCgmr]

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Love that Mariners team. The biggest reason is because I want to go to the NL now that I've been in the AL all summer long. And I think the Mariners are actually too good now. Like my home town Cleveland, I wanted to use them but they're too good now.

I hear you.

Its not a full rebuild.. but it feels like they are still quite a ways from catching the Astros.

[jcar0725]

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I hear you.

Its not a full rebuild.. but it feels like they are still quite a ways from catching the Astros.

Yeah I love watching the Mariners right now. I'm definitely pulling for that team after the Guardians.

[CgyFlames]

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I’m probably in the vast minority here, but whenever I get fired in any sports games’ franchise mode, I pick a new team within that same universe rather than restart to the present date with a new save. Those teams 3-5 years into the future open up new storylines that don’t exist in the real world.

[JoshC1977]

Re: TIME TO ADMIT FAILURE

I’m probably in the vast minority here, but whenever I get fired in any sports games’ franchise mode, I pick a new team within that same universe rather than restart to the present date with a new save. Those teams 3-5 years into the future open up new storylines that don’t exist in the real world.

Yeah - this is a REALLY good thought. It didn't occur to me when replying here, but that's my plan in my ongoing franchise since I plan on sticking with it for the next year or two.