MLB The Show 23 Feature Premiere Schedule

[bronxbombers21325]

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Its not whether someone is franchise fan, RTTS fan, DD fan, or whatever their preferred mode of play.

You have different teams that work on different aspects of the game. And the mantra that is passed around is that if one's particular mode didn't get as much attention as they see fit, then has to be at the fault of another mode, is growing long in the tooth.

No one knows the difference between what needs to be done via coding, resources, etc...to put something into franchise mode versus that of another mode.

People are refusing to take things as they are and must continuously find something to blame.

Why can't it just be that these things were added to a particular mode because the time, resources and work that must be done within that mode with the code in hand is all that could be done for that cycle.

I just think people's frustration with this game is finally hitting a boiling point. It really feels like we've been playing the same game since the PS3 days. Every other sports title is leaving this one in the dust. This looks like a mobile game compared to NBA 2K and FIFA. I'm not even going to pretend to know what the reasoning is for them not finally putting out a true next gen game is, but there is definitely something going on behind the scenes. I feel like every year since the PS4 dropped, we think, next year will be the year we finally get a big leap....and it never happens. It's really just the small things at this point, at least for me that are getting frustrating. The Yankees numbers still being in the wrong spot for example. There's simply no excuse for them to not get that right at this point. I won't even get started on the grass and dirt. It literally looks like someone painted a baseball field onto an asphault parking lot. I remember the excuses for this stuff used to be, "the hardwear doesn't allow us to do what we want" Well, the hardwear has far surpassed what it was when we got those excuses, and very little has changed. I know I'm not alone in feeling like they aren't putting forth their best effort anymore. I have a good feeling that the frustration is going to be a lot worse this Thursday when they tout the new playoff system, and new schedule as new features. I know the negro league mode was a pet project, and again, I can't stress enough how glad I am that they are bringing attention to that era, but I and a lot of others feel like they should concentrate on actually putting out a game that feels like it was made this decade before they start having pet projects.

[countryboy]

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This is all very true, but what happens when the "resources and work that must be done within that mode with the code in hand is all that could be done for that cycle" has been the same for years on end?

Or in regard to the Negro league it looks as if it got an updated code/engine that is nowhere to be seen in the rest of the game, again more resources and time.

Franchise has LOST features over the years of me buying the show (First was 08), and it hasn't regained many. Online franchise being a whole mode by itself. Throw in the fact that many franchiser's have been put off by the inclusion of MTO, which has gotten features that did not make it into franchise.

If time is being put into another mode, then that's time that could have been put somewhere else. Whether that be RTTS/Franchise/DD/Etc. Nobody knows how that time, or resources is divided, but its abundantly clear that for a long stretch of year the time/resources has NOT been given to Franchise. Simple as that. I don't know why there has been this craziness that implodes each year at OS on this very topic. It is so crystal clear that the mode has been largely abandoned for almost a decade now, whether that be SDS's decision or not.

Has it ever been considered that some of the features (Y2Y saves) lost are the very reason that franchise has grown long in the tooth?

Nobody is arguing that franchise mode needs to make significant leaps going forward, year over year as its sorely lacking. But it doesn't 100% equate that DD or the new Storylines, or any other mode, are the reason why it hasn't. And placing blame on those modes and knocking those modes for even existing is extremely narrow minded.

Y2Y saves started in MLB '14 and last through MLB '20. That's 9 years where I'm going to venture to guess that the code within franchise mode had to stay largely unchanged so that the Y2Y feature would work without causing significant issues.

'21 was the first year without Y2Y saves, but was the introduction of the game on the Xbox. '22 we saw some of the foundational aspects of franchise mode start to be changed (financials) and also saw new franchise specific presentational aspects be introduced (news ticker).

What '23 holds in store, we'll find out this Thursday, but we know they added in the new schedule and playoff format, which some may not consider a selling point, is time/resources that had to be allocated to the mode to bring it up to date.

[bryanm1982]

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I’m remaining positive that we will be happy with the franchise improvements (and hopefully other additions).

They are making these weekly videos to try to sell and market the game. Just like I am sure any game would promote their newest mode or game to try to sell the game.

[eric7064]

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Has it ever been considered that some of the features (Y2Y saves) lost are the very reason that franchise has grown long in the tooth?

Nobody is arguing that franchise mode needs to make significant leaps going forward, year over year as its sorely lacking. But it doesn't 100% equate that DD or the new Storylines, or any other mode, are the reason why it hasn't. And placing blame on those modes and knocking those modes for even existing is extremely narrow minded.

Y2Y saves started in MLB '14 and last through MLB '20. That's 9 years where I'm going to venture to guess that the code within franchise mode had to stay largely unchanged so that the Y2Y feature would work without causing significant issues.

100% this. As awesome as Y2Y saves was, I knew the instant it was implemented it would handcuff the mode, because any drastic changes to the mode or any core changes would likely nullify the feature.

Thats why I find it so odd that it has not returned, I wonder if one of the smaller upgrades they made in the last couple years has done this. Who knows.

In regard to the new schedule and format, that should at least be expected. The MLB made it easier for them to implement the new schedule, everybody plays everybody and home team flips. Easy enough, and this is after years and years of people begging SDS to bring in rotating schedules.

[goillini03]

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Has it ever been considered that some of the features (Y2Y saves) lost are the very reason that franchise has grown long in the tooth?

Nobody is arguing that franchise mode needs to make significant leaps going forward, year over year as its sorely lacking. But it doesn't 100% equate that DD or the new Storylines, or any other mode, are the reason why it hasn't. And placing blame on those modes and knocking those modes for even existing is extremely narrow minded.

Y2Y saves started in MLB '14 and last through MLB '20. That's 9 years where I'm going to venture to guess that the code within franchise mode had to stay largely unchanged so that the Y2Y feature would work without causing significant issues.

'21 was the first year without Y2Y saves, but was the introduction of the game on the Xbox. '22 we saw some of the foundational aspects of franchise mode start to be changed (financials) and also saw new franchise specific presentational aspects be introduced (news ticker).

What '23 holds in store, we'll find out this Thursday, but we know they added in the new schedule and playoff format, which some may not consider a selling point, is time/resources that had to be allocated to the mode to bring it up to date.

I agree with a lot of this, but I also disagree with the narrow minded statement. There was an impact with these other modes being added, but we cannot begin to compute the impact in terms of how great, or small, they maybe. That is why I try to not bring up other modes when venting about the subject.

The best thing to remember is that the SDS team has shown time and time again that Season Mode (sheds a tear) and Franchise players are not a priority. Those individuals served a purpose to keep a baseball game being made for many years, but are really no longer needed due to micro transactions. (I think we can safely say that RTTS is a part of this as well). It sucks to support a video game title for so long just to be pushed out of the way as an afterthought, so I get people’s frustrations.

At the end of the day, franchise players should really push for the game to be released on PC, so the modding community can impact the mode. That is the only hope the mode has to ever see real advancements.

Maybe there will be a surprise Thursday for Franchise players. With recent history, however, expectations should be tempered.

[countryboy]

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100% this. As awesome as Y2Y saves was, I knew the instant it was implemented it would handcuff the mode, because any drastic changes to the mode or any core changes would likely nullify the feature.

Thats why I find it so odd that it has not returned, I wonder if one of the smaller upgrades they made in the last couple years has done this. Who knows.

In regard to the new schedule and format, that should at least be expected. The MLB made it easier for them to implement the new schedule, everybody plays everybody and home team flips. Easy enough, and this is after years and years of people begging SDS to bring in rotating schedules.

I think the reason it hasn't returned is because they are wanting to make the changes/upgrades to franchise that the community has been clamoring for, and Y2Y saves returning would only again handcuff those efforts.

No doubt the new schedule and playoff format should be expected. My reason for mentioning it, is that expected or not, it is time and resources taken away from whatever allotment the dev team had for franchise mode when it comes to the addition of other features/upgrades etc...

[djflock]

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Those individuals served a purpose to keep a baseball game being made for many years, but are really no longer needed due to micro transactions. (I think we can safely say that RTTS is a part of this as well). It sucks to support a video game title for so long just to be pushed out of the way as an afterthought, so I get people’s frustrations.

Tbh, I don't even to believe it to be micro transactions. I just don't think many kids are playing a franchise mode at all. Heck, my younger brother who is 24, laughs at me for the concept of playing video games alone (offline) lol


And with seeing AAA release dates of games being delayed (Star Wars, pga, Hogwarts legacy)... Is it safe to surmise that it becomes increasingly hard for these sports games to be able to add anything extensive in 8 month cycle?

While Madden still is unplayable imo, it seems like their franchise definitely has more modern code that seems to allow to them to update and modify things in real time.

[goillini03]

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Tbh, I don't even to believe it to be micro transactions. I just don't think many kids are playing a franchise mode at all. Heck, my younger brother who is 24, laughs at me for the concept of playing video games alone (offline) lol


And with seeing AAA release dates of games being delayed (Star Wars, pga, Hogwarts legacy)... Is it safe to surmise that it becomes increasingly hard for these sports games to be able to add anything extensive in 8 month cycle?

While Madden still is unplayable imo, it seems like their franchise definitely has more modern code that seems to allow to them to update and modify things in real time.

It is funny that way. I only have two comparisons from the younger generation, but both of the kids I know (high schoolers) love playing Franchise and RTTS. To them, they like the building aspect of the team and they hate the sweatiness of online play.

Also, I always question people when they say that they hate playing the computer, but play UT type modes. I ask them how much grinding the do on missions etc, and they always say a lot. I then remind them that it is playing the computer when grinding conquest, Mini-seasons, showdowns etc. I think it has more to do with the dopamine hit reward at the end. UT modes all lead to an end, where franchise is not “rewarding” in a sense.

[bryanm1982]

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I believe in real life the interleague games would flip every other year. So like if the Yankees would play the Dodgers in LA in 2023, they would play the Dodgers in New York in 2024. I hope the game will have that.

[CBoller1331]

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What '23 holds in store, we'll find out this Thursday, but we know they added in the new schedule and playoff format, which some may not consider a selling point, is time/resources that had to be allocated to the mode to bring it up to date.

Considering how they hadn't been able to rotate the schedule within franchise mode each year in any previous version of the game, this had to have been a pretty big undertaking. Not trying to pat them on the back for simply keeping the rules up to date, as I do tend to agree that those things aren't really selling points, but I agree there had to have been alot of resources dedicated to fixing a long-standing issue with the schedule

I'm no programming expert, but there do seem to be a lot of inefficiencies in the way they store a lot of the data within franchise mode. Hopefully this a step in the right direction.

[bronxbombers21325]

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I believe in real life the interleague games would flip every other year. So like if the Yankees would play the Dodgers in LA in 2023, they would play the Dodgers in New York in 2024. I hope the game will have that.

They did at least flip home and away on the old schedules in the game. It was just the same teams every year. So hopefully that will be right. I can’t imagine that would be too hard to implement.

[HozAndMoose]

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Considering how they hadn't been able to rotate the schedule within franchise mode each year in any previous version of the game, this had to have been a pretty big undertaking. Not trying to pat them on the back for simply keeping the rules up to date, as I do tend to agree that those things aren't really selling points, but I agree there had to have been alot of resources dedicated to fixing a long-standing issue with the schedule

I'm no programming expert, but there do seem to be a lot of inefficiencies in the way they store a lot of the data within franchise mode. Hopefully this a step in the right direction.

I think you are over estimating what it took for them to do this. They didn't really fix anything as far as I see it. They got lucky MLB changed the schedule format and allowed them to continue to do what they always did. Play the same teams every year no matter what.

[aj44]

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I think you are over estimating what it took for them to do this. They didn't really fix anything as far as I see it. They got lucky MLB changed the schedule format and allowed them to continue to do what they always did. Play the same teams every year no matter what.

I agree, MLB essentially fixed their year to year scheduling problem for them.

Still won't be shocked if I get to franchise year 2 and I'm playing at the same opposite league stadiums as year 1. At least now I can select the correct stadium, just won't be batting in right half of the inning.

[Karle]

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I think the reason it hasn't returned is because they are wanting to make the changes/upgrades to franchise that the community has been clamoring for, and Y2Y saves returning would only again handcuff those efforts.

No doubt the new schedule and playoff format should be expected. My reason for mentioning it, is that expected or not, it is time and resources taken away from whatever allotment the dev team had for franchise mode when it comes to the addition of other features/upgrades etc...

Yes, but can that be also the justification for no Y2Y saves for rosters absent changes in the number of players on each roster?

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[elfdutch]

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Has it ever been considered that some of the features (Y2Y saves) lost are the very reason that franchise has grown long in the tooth?

Nobody is arguing that franchise mode needs to make significant leaps going forward, year over year as its sorely lacking. But it doesn't 100% equate that DD or the new Storylines, or any other mode, are the reason why it hasn't. And placing blame on those modes and knocking those modes for even existing is extremely narrow minded.

Y2Y saves started in MLB '14 and last through MLB '20. That's 9 years where I'm going to venture to guess that the code within franchise mode had to stay largely unchanged so that the Y2Y feature would work without causing significant issues.

'21 was the first year without Y2Y saves, but was the introduction of the game on the Xbox. '22 we saw some of the foundational aspects of franchise mode start to be changed (financials) and also saw new franchise specific presentational aspects be introduced (news ticker).

What '23 holds in store, we'll find out this Thursday, but we know they added in the new schedule and playoff format, which some may not consider a selling point, is time/resources that had to be allocated to the mode to bring it up to date.

You are probably right that this is the reason for Y2Y being eliminated.
What would be nice though, is at least having the option to transfer your roster to the new game. That way you can continue to enjoy all downloaded rosters, even if that means having to start over your franchise.