Too many strikeouts

[TheBrew101]

Re: Too many strikeouts

ERA - Leader 1.90

Urias - 2.28 - 3rd
Flaherty - 2.83 - 15th
Montgomery - 3.74 - 36th
Mikolas - 3.55 - 28th
Hudson - 4.12 - 43rd


STRIKEOUTS - LEADER 115

Urias - 92 - 6th
Flaherty - 79 - 17th
Montgomery - 69 - T 31st
Mikolas - not ranked
Hudson - not ranked

HOMERUNS ALLOWED - LEADER 3

Urias - 8 - T 13th
Flaherty - 7 - T 8th
Montgomery - Not Ranked
Mikolas - 12 - T 44th
Hudson - 11 - T 34th

If there are any other particular stats you would like me to check just let me know.

Appreciate it! Your numbers look much better than mine. Maybe it is because I use quick counts and that is factoring in.

[countryboy]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Appreciate it! Your numbers look much better than mine. Maybe it is because I use quick counts and that is factoring in.

No problem!

QC may be part of it. You said you’re a month in? I’d be curious how your numbers look at the all star break


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[Seancefc]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Tried raising my control and consistency up to 6/6 and then 10 for the heck of it cause why not try anything at this point lol.

6 games. Strikeout totals were:

12, 11, 11, 10, 12, and 12. Striking out one every 3.3 AB still.

I know it's the game cause I am able to power up MLB 21 or 22, pitch same style I do and have forever. And strikeouts are not easy to get. I really have to work for one those games. This year I don't even have to think when I pitch. Just go through the motions, and it's just boring.

Those last two games I had 8ks starting the 8th inning. I locked in and actually forced myself to try to get strikeouts. Finished with 12 strikeouts both games. So I know if I fully lock in and try an entire game it's 13-15 with ease. 15 strikeouts takes work, but last year 10 strikeouts took the same amount of work to achieve. It is what it is, guys. Nothing can fix it. I'm convinced.

Earlier in the year I struck out 19 with the Orioles vs the Angels. That is now my all time high ever in this game. That's kinda when I knew something was wrong and different with MLB 23. Orioles pitching? Versus Angels lineup? 19 strikeouts? Nahhh ain't no way lol

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I’m confused. You’re seeing too many strikeouts so you RAISED control/consistency? You should be lowering it to make pitching harder!

It’s like someone increasing control, solid hits and power, setting the difficulty to rookie, then complaining there too many HR’s!

As a general comment, if you’re getting too many K’s- increase the difficulty!

[DarthRambo]

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I’m confused. You’re seeing too many strikeouts so you RAISED control/consistency? You should be lowering it to make pitching harder!



It’s like someone increasing control, solid hits and power, setting the difficulty to rookie, then complaining there too many HR’s!



As a general comment, if you’re getting too many K’s- increase the difficulty!

I have ran with control 3 and consistency 2 all year. I tried the higher settings cause it was suggested in our slider thread. The thinking is the cpu swings at pitches far off the plate more than they swing at pitches on the black or just off the plate.

So I just tried raising those to see if it helped. Oddly enough I did notice cpu taking balls just off the plate more than I had before. They definitely swing at pitches well off target too often. Kinda always been this way though for as long as I've been playing, so not just a 2023 thing.

2021 and 2022, and probably prior years they had what some might call "extra long bats" where they would make contact on pitches where you are asking yourself how in the world did they just foul that off? To get them to miss you had to go pretty far outside the zone, and at that point they are unlikely to even swing.

So you really had to put one in the zone and change speeds. The cpu forced your hand to throw one over the plate or they're just gonna keep fouling off your junk or take that ball way outside the zone. Had to put in work to get that strikeout.

That's why it was difficult to get a strikeout, but the satisfaction of getting one was there. It was awesome and very fun to pitch with guys like Edwin Diaz to close games as I ran a Mets franchise. 2023 that has changed. The extra long bat is not there anymore so that same pitch is now an easy swing and miss strikeout.

I've tried legend and HOF using control 1, 2 and 3. And consistency always at 2. It doesn't matter lol. I'm gonna try ball marker off next. I know it won't reduce swing and misses at all. All it will do is increase difficulty of me placing my pitches. But I'm used to such low consistency and control I am not optimistic it will even matter. But I'll give it a shot for a good 20 games or so nonetheless!

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[Seancefc]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I have ran with control 3 and consistency 2 all year. I tried the higher settings cause it was suggested in our slider thread. The thinking is the cpu swings at pitches far off the plate more than they swing at pitches on the black or just off the plate.

So I just tried raising those to see if it helped. Oddly enough I did notice cpu taking balls just off the plate more than I had before. They definitely swing at pitches well off target too often. Kinda always been this way though for as long as I've been playing, so not just a 2023 thing.

2021 and 2022, and probably prior years they had what some might call "extra long bats" where they would make contact on pitches where you are asking yourself how in the world did they just foul that off? To get them to miss you had to go pretty far outside the zone, and at that point they are unlikely to even swing.

So you really had to put one in the zone and change speeds. The cpu forced your hand to throw one over the plate or they're just gonna keep fouling off your junk or take that ball way outside the zone. Had to put in work to get that strikeout.

That's why it was difficult to get a strikeout, but the satisfaction of getting one was there. It was awesome and very fun to pitch with guys like Edwin Diaz to close games as I ran a Mets franchise. 2023 that has changed. The extra long bat is not there anymore so that same pitch is now an easy swing and miss strikeout.

I've tried legend and HOF using control 1, 2 and 3. And consistency always at 2. It doesn't matter lol. I'm gonna try ball marker off next. I know it won't reduce swing and misses at all. All it will do is increase difficulty of me placing my pitches. But I'm used to such low consistency and control I am not optimistic it will even matter. But I'll give it a shot for a good 20 games or so nonetheless!

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I’ve got control/consistency set at 0 which makes me throw more balls. If my pitching is more erratic the hitters start to lay off I find, resulting in fewer strikeouts. As I said I’m just not seeing the same problem anyone else is but I literally couldn’t have made pitching harder -and it’s still not that hard! All visual aids are off etc. I’ve also increased the cpu hitters capabilities, this will reduce K’s for anyone who tries it.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I’ve got control/consistency set at 0 which makes me throw more balls. If my pitching is more erratic the hitters start to lay off I find, resulting in fewer strikeouts. As I said I’m just not seeing the same problem anyone else is but I literally couldn’t have made pitching harder -and it’s still not that hard! All visual aids are off etc. I’ve also increased the cpu hitters capabilities, this will reduce K’s for anyone who tries it.

I doubt there is much difference between control at 1-3 and 0. And consistency at 2 and 0 but it's something to try.

The problem is not solved however. The deep rooted problem is the increase of swing and misses by the cpu this year. Throwing more balls isn't going to make the cpu make contact more often. Not trying to sound or be negative here, but I know what I'm experiencing when comparing to the last 2 years of this game minimum.

I don't need an increase of pitching difficulty or and increase of balls versus strikes thrown. I need the cpu to make more contact and put the dang ball in play more. Raising contact is best way but there is a point where they become overpowering and now you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. But even then strikeouts are high because now the way you get outs majority of the time is from a strikeout lol. I've been down that road already as well.

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[KnightTemplar]

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I doubt there is much difference between control at 1-3 and 0. And consistency at 2 and 0 but it's something to try.

The problem is not solved however. The deep rooted problem is the increase of swing and misses by the cpu this year. Throwing more balls isn't going to make the cpu make contact more often. Not trying to sound or be negative here, but I know what I'm experiencing when comparing to the last 2 years of this game minimum.

I don't need an increase of pitching difficulty or and increase of balls versus strikes thrown. I need the cpu to make more contact and put the dang ball in play more. Raising contact is best way but there is a point where they become overpowering and now you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. But even then strikeouts are high because now the way you get outs majority of the time is from a strikeout lol. I've been down that road already as well.

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I know I gave you some hints in a PM. It seems you may be consistently changing sliders looking for an automatic fix? Maybe be more patient? I’m really not sure how individual gamers ability with the controller works. That remains a mystery, but……after much frustration…..the CPU is hitting, Ks are down and quite reasonable.

My team is 35-34. I enjoy the challenge. In a 3 game losing streak to the Phillies I couldn’t buy a clutch hit. I think I wound up with 5, 4, 4 hits in those games. During those games CPU had 4 runs, 7 hits, 5 Ks. 4 of the 7 hits were homers by Turner (2), Harper, Stubbs…another 4 runs, 11 hits, 5Ks, 4 doubles, one homer by Marsh….another 4 runs, no extra base hits, 6 Ks.

Now, when I broke the 3 game losing streak it was a slugfest. I won, somehow, as th Phils had 7 runs SEVENTEEN hits, 9 Ks, 5 doubles and 3 homers. (Glad to be done with the Phils.

I just offer these as the hitting isn’t broken. I agree 100% with you that it really changed from last year. Long time gamer who struggled mightily out of the box. There’s this thread and a thread specifically about how hitting has changed, so it can’t be dismissed.

Maybe you’ve reached the point where, in the back of your mind, everything is analyzed….every pitch, every weak hit. Not judging you at all, but maybe start over, sim to date and be patient? Deep breaths man

[jcar0725]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I know I gave you some hints in a PM. It seems you may be consistently changing sliders looking for an automatic fix? Maybe be more patient? I’m really not sure how individual gamers ability with the controller works. That remains a mystery, but……after much frustration…..the CPU is hitting, Ks are down and quite reasonable.

My team is 35-34. I enjoy the challenge. In a 3 game losing streak to the Phillies I couldn’t buy a clutch hit. I think I wound up with 5, 4, 4 hits in those games. During those games CPU had 4 runs, 7 hits, 5 Ks. 4 of the 7 hits were homers by Turner (2), Harper, Stubbs…another 4 runs, 11 hits, 5Ks, 4 doubles, one homer by Marsh….another 4 runs, no extra base hits, 6 Ks.

Now, when I broke the 3 game losing streak it was a slugfest. I won, somehow, as th Phils had 7 runs SEVENTEEN hits, 9 Ks, 5 doubles and 3 homers. (Glad to be done with the Phils.

I just offer these as the hitting isn’t broken. I agree 100% with you that it really changed from last. Long time gamer who struggled mightily out of the box. There’s this thread and a thread specifically about how hitting has changed, so it can’t be dismissed.

Maybe you’ve reached the point where, in the back of your mind, everything is analyzed….every pitch, every weak hit. Not judging you at all, but maybe start over, sim to date and be patient? Deep breaths man

You're under pressure to get that team to hit or management might make a change.......

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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Too many strikeouts

You're under pressure to get that team to hit or management might make a change.......

Sent from my thoughts

I’ve been thinking of firing my manager, lol.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

I know I gave you some hints in a PM. It seems you may be consistently changing sliders looking for an automatic fix? Maybe be more patient? I’m really not sure how individual gamers ability with the controller works. That remains a mystery, but……after much frustration…..the CPU is hitting, Ks are down and quite reasonable.



My team is 35-34. I enjoy the challenge. In a 3 game losing streak to the Phillies I couldn’t buy a clutch hit. I think I wound up with 5, 4, 4 hits in those games. During those games CPU had 4 runs, 7 hits, 5 Ks. 4 of the 7 hits were homers by Turner (2), Harper, Stubbs…another 4 runs, 11 hits, 5Ks, 4 doubles, one homer by Marsh….another 4 runs, no extra base hits, 6 Ks.



Now, when I broke the 3 game losing streak it was a slugfest. I won, somehow, as th Phils had 7 runs SEVENTEEN hits, 9 Ks, 5 doubles and 3 homers. (Glad to be done with the Phils.



I just offer these as the hitting isn’t broken. I agree 100% with you that it really changed from last. Long time gamer who struggled mightily out of the box. There’s this thread and a thread specifically about how hitting has changed, so it can’t be dismissed.



Maybe you’ve reached the point where, in the back of your mind, everything is analyzed….every pitch, every weak hit. Not judging you at all, but maybe start over, sim to date and be patient? Deep breaths man

Cpu hitting is great. No problem getting them to be competitive and all. Probably easiest it's ever been to achieve that this year. I don't change anything until at least 15-20 games. But I'm not needing the cpu to hit and score runs.

And my hitting has been perfectly fine using default sliders with timing at 0. I strikeout a lot but that's strictly on me, not a game issue.

I want their extra long bats back where they're fouling off my strikeout pitches more often like MLB 22 and 21. My strikeout pitches in 2023 are outs like nearly every time lol. If you've played long enough you know what pitches to pitch the cpu to get strikeouts. I won't list mine cause I'm not trying to ruin the game for anyone. But the two years prior, the cpu made contact and fouled off strikeout pitch after strikeout pitch, forcing me to battle and throw one over the plate.

This year those strikeout pitches are very rarely touched and easy strikeouts if I actually tried hard to get them. That's all I'm saying really. The game is pretty phenomenal all around nonetheless and I'll continue to play it. Hitting only and quick managing pitching has been surprisingly fun so far.

But for sure will give your suggestions a real chance for 20-25 games using multiple teams no problem.



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[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Small sample size of no ball marker. Just wanted to share before I went into work tonight and unable to test more until maybe tmrrw. Again, I know this will not fix the root problem of the increased swing and misses but want to try it anyway. I have control and consistency at default.

Strikeouts so far in 6 games played:

10, 8, 12, 12, 8, 16.

Small sample but I don't see any difference in strikeout numbers. Every now and then less than 10, but I'm gonna eventually probably hover at a strikeout every 3 at bats still. Once I got the hang of no ball marker I was able to setup hitters fairly easily that last game. And I admit, I tried hard to get as many Ks as possible each game lol.

Cpu batting average was .248 which is good, but would be better I assume if they put ball in play more. Biggest change I noticed was my walks issued increased dramatically lol.

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[bryanm1982]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Last year on 22 in my Mariners franchise I picked up Greinke at the trade deadline. I got rocked when using him every time he pitched. Couldn’t strike anyone out and it was like throwing batting practice. I played a test game in my franchise with him against the Blue Jays. First game he struck out 9 in 6 innings. I stopped the game and started over using him again. 2nd game was again 6 innings with 9 K’s. In real life, he pitched 11 starts and his most K’s per game was 6 in 6 innings.

I know it is JUST 2 games but no way should Greinke be able to get 9 K’s so easily in both games. Played two cause I thought it might be a fluke. The Blue Jays would just swing and miss at his 89 mph fast balls. Most were late on them.

[tc020791]

Too many strikeouts

I think a lot of the high strikeout numbers are due to user mentality. Since it used to be so hard to get strikeouts we’ve come accustom to having to pitch almost perfect to get any strikeouts. If you watch real baseball this isn’t the case obviously, guys swing and miss at pitches inside the zone all the time.

Very many starting pitchers are looking to pitch to contact rather than going for strikeouts, this allows them to get further into games and help their team save their bullpen throughout a long season. Does this mean that they just throw meat balls up and down the order? No. But it means that pitching to contact can be very effective when going after the right batters.

I think if you ask a lot of starting pitchers if they had a 1-2 count against the 8 hole hitter, would they rather throw 5 more pitches and possibly get a strikeout, or throw 1 more pitch and let him put it in play? He’ll probably want to keep the 4 extra pitches, because those add up quickly. That could be the difference between being at 100 pitches in the 5th inning or 70 pitches.

I wouldn’t say I was having a problem with strikeouts but I had noticed they were easier and I was leading the league (just barely) after about 20 games. I was averaging 9.5 strikeouts per game with the Mariners, who have an above average pitching staff, so that’s definitely not out of the realm of possibilities. But since I’ve decided to pitch more to contact, try to get my starters deeper in games, and save my bullpen, my strikeouts have definitely gone down.

Last 8 games strikeout numbers:
8
8
6
10
7
10
8
4 (Season low)
(7.6 Strikeouts per game)

Also if you’re wondering if my walk numbers are going down, that’s actually not the case. I don’t pitch to contact to hitters I’m scared of (playing on legend). I’ll even pitch around some extremely dangerous hitters if the situation calls for it. One last thing to keep in mind. If you’re up by more than 2 runs late you should definitely be pitching to contact, you don’t to put the tying run on base with a walk.

[djflock]

Re: Too many strikeouts

Last year on 22 in my Mariners franchise I picked up Greinke at the trade deadline. I got rocked when using him every time he pitched. Couldn’t strike anyone out and it was like throwing batting practice. I played a test game in my franchise with him against the Blue Jays. First game he struck out 9 in 6 innings. I stopped the game and started over using him again. 2nd game was again 6 innings with 9 K’s. In real life, he pitched 11 starts and his most K’s per game was 6 in 6 innings.

I know it is JUST 2 games but no way should Greinke be able to get 9 K’s so easily in both games. Played two cause I thought it might be a fluke. The Blue Jays would just swing and miss at his 89 mph fast balls. Most were late on them.

I experienced the same thing you do. I kinda imposed a house rule where I do not throw a fastball two times in a row. Definitely cuts down on how many ks I get.

[DarthRambo]

Re: Too many strikeouts

So we're now asked to pitch differently than we have for over a decade with this game to fix the game. Not upset at those suggesting ideas. Pitch to contact may work but even if you aim in K zone every single pitch you're gonna miss your targets at times. Heck I have been trying no ball marker so had no real clue where I was aiming anyway.

Shame on SDS for creating this hot mess for absolutely no reason that was needed. Completely broke cpu hitting in 2023 and I can't see them going back from here on out. So this is probably the crap we get every year going forward. They won't get my money in 2024 until I know this has been fixed first.

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