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  • GeorgeCostanza16
    Rookie
    • Mar 2023
    • 36

    #16
    Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

    Originally posted by rick diesel
    He wasn't chosen for his on-field ability, he was chosen for his marketability to potential new consumers, many of whom could probably only name a few current MLB players (at most) anyways. Notice how he has no glove or bat on the cover image and not doing anything baseball related, instead he is showing of his gold chain. He is a fun, decent player who might help grow the game/sport. While some serious baseball gamers understandably might not feel he is "deserving" of the cover based on his statistics, they are likely to purchase the game (and/or future editions) regardless of who is on the cover. From a business and marketing perspective it makes sense why SDS would choose him.
    Everyone who talks about how Jazz is "marketable" doesn't understand how marketing works lol. Listen, I work in the marketing industry. If you're trying to market a product or brand, you don't typically highlight your lesser-known/underperforming elements of that product or brand. You hit on the strengths, the things people know. Tbh, this was more of a favor to Jazz's personal brand than it could ever be to The Show itself.

    I think with Jazz, they were trying to go the NBA route, which just doesn't work in MLB. It works in the NBA because they have way more prominent superstars. They've developed individual personalities and a "culture" that is more important than the game (one of the major reasons I don't really care about that league or sport anymore). MLB's strengths are the league's history and the game itself, not an individual player. So if you're going to have a cover athlete for this game, they have to be a mega superstar, or at least someone that people actually know. This is why Shohei, Judge, etc. are great cover picks. Brett Phillips is "fun" but there's no way he should be the cover athlete. I actually wonder why they didn't go with a Negro League player - particularly Satchel - this year since this is the first year they introduced that content into the game. Jazz just doesn't make sense - ESPECIALLY from a marketing angle haha.

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    • Therebelyell626
      MVP
      • Mar 2018
      • 2887

      #17
      Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

      Originally posted by GeorgeCostanza16
      Everyone who talks about how Jazz is "marketable" doesn't understand how marketing works lol. Listen, I work in the marketing industry. If you're trying to market a product or brand, you don't typically highlight your lesser-known/underperforming elements of that product or brand. You hit on the strengths, the things people know. Tbh, this was more of a favor to Jazz's personal brand than it could ever be to The Show itself.

      I think with Jazz, they were trying to go the NBA route, which just doesn't work in MLB. It works in the NBA because they have way more prominent superstars. They've developed individual personalities and a "culture" that is more important than the game (one of the major reasons I don't really care about that league or sport anymore). MLB's strengths are the league's history and the game itself, not an individual player. So if you're going to have a cover athlete for this game, they have to be a mega superstar, or at least someone that people actually know. This is why Shohei, Judge, etc. are great cover picks. Brett Phillips is "fun" but there's no way he should be the cover athlete. I actually wonder why they didn't go with a Negro League player - particularly Satchel - this year since this is the first year they introduced that content into the game. Jazz just doesn't make sense - ESPECIALLY from a marketing angle haha.
      True… but with all due respect to Joe, you put a guy like Joe Mauer on your cover two years in a row. And with the exception of hardcore baseball fans who will buy the game regardless, nobody outside of Minnesota cares. You can’t really have your cake and eat it too.

      With that being said, being a lifelong angels fan aside I am really shocked Trout has never gotten a cover. For years we were told he’s the best player in MLB and has had one of the top DD cards for like 5-7 years. But dude not ever getting a cover is pretty shocking.

      Me personally I like when the go the superstar/legends route like Judge or Griffey. But regardless of who’s on the cover I am still getting the game.

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      • GeorgeCostanza16
        Rookie
        • Mar 2023
        • 36

        #18
        Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

        Originally posted by Therebelyell626
        True… but with all due respect to Joe, you put a guy like Joe Mauer on your cover two years in a row. And with the exception of hardcore baseball fans who will buy the game regardless, nobody outside of Minnesota cares. You can’t really have your cake and eat it too.

        With that being said, being a lifelong angels fan aside I am really shocked Trout has never gotten a cover. For years we were told he’s the best player in MLB and has had one of the top DD cards for like 5-7 years. But dude not ever getting a cover is pretty shocking.

        Me personally I like when the go the superstar/legends route like Judge or Griffey. But regardless of who’s on the cover I am still getting the game.
        I think Trout hasn't gotten a cover because he already has a deal with the Tap Baseball game or something like that and can't do it because of contractual obligations. Yeah, I'm gonna buy the game no matter who is on the cover as well, I was just pointing out that the "Jazz is marketable" concept doesn't really make any sense at all. I too wish they'd have more legends on the cover, would be so cool.
        Last edited by GeorgeCostanza16; 04-26-2023, 01:46 PM.

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        • NAFBUC
          ShowTime!
          • Feb 2008
          • 1277

          #19
          Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

          Originally posted by moemoe24
          If nobody cared Jazz wouldnt be on the cover.
          Good to know you are vested with JazzMan on the cover.

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          • NAFBUC
            ShowTime!
            • Feb 2008
            • 1277

            #20
            Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

            Originally posted by countryboy
            I thought this was going to be some type of interview with Jazz Chisholm.
            Sorry to disappoint cb. I am just a forum poster with no connections. I am sure you can do the JC interview for OS.

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            • HeadCoach2.0
              Pro
              • Jan 2023
              • 713

              #21
              Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

              Jazz has had 95 at bats and he is off the slow but decent start. As long as he stays injury free his numbers will improve

              Julio Rodriguez a person many thought should have been on the cover has numbers that are similar to Jazz but nobody is talking about that.

              Nobody is talking about the underwhelming performance of Rodriguez at all.

              My main concern about Jazz is that he has a sub .700 ops right now. That is not acceptable by any means but he has plenty of at bats left and that will go up once he starts hitting better.

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              • Ghost Of The Year
                Life's been good so far.
                • Mar 2014
                • 6352

                #22
                Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                Originally posted by HeadCoach2.0
                Jazz has had 95 at bats and he is off the slow but decent start. As long as he stays injury free his numbers will improve

                Julio Rodriguez a person many thought should have been on the cover has numbers that are similar to Jazz but nobody is talking about that.

                Nobody is talking about the underwhelming performance of Rodriguez at all.

                My main concern about Jazz is that he has a sub .700 ops right now. That is not acceptable by any means but he has plenty of at bats left and that will go up once he starts hitting better.
                Jazz trying to hard. Oncet he realize he doesn't have real pressure on him becuz he play in Miami, he will be okay. But baseball is hard though I'm still not sure where NAFBUC was going with this though.
                T-BONE.

                Talking about things nobody cares.

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                • NAFBUC
                  ShowTime!
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1277

                  #23
                  Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                  Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                  Jazz trying to hard. Oncet he realize he doesn't have real pressure on him becuz he play in Miami, he will be okay. But baseball is hard though I'm still not sure where NAFBUC was going with this though.
                  Good thoughts for a GOY.

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                  • SmashMan
                    All Star
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 9710

                    #24
                    Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                    Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
                    Jazz trying to hard. Oncet he realize he doesn't have real pressure on him becuz he play in Miami, he will be okay. But baseball is hard though I'm still not sure where NAFBUC was going with this though.
                    Might be one of those "a guy holding his chain on my baseball game cover?!" guys

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                    • Scott
                      Your Go-to TV Expert
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20031

                      #25
                      Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                      Similar numbers so far between Julio & Jazz actually


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                      • Ghost Of The Year
                        Life's been good so far.
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 6352

                        #26
                        Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                        Jazz changing positions from infield to outfield could also be distracting his mind from hitting. The season is only 1/6 done, his upside potential for this year is still huge. Time will tell.
                        T-BONE.

                        Talking about things nobody cares.

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                        • Friar Fanatic
                          Rookie
                          • May 2012
                          • 471

                          #27
                          Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                          Do people actually sit there and stare at the cover art and fume about this?

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                          • Madden08PCgmr
                            MVP
                            • Feb 2017
                            • 2435

                            #28
                            Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                            Originally posted by Scott
                            Similar numbers so far between Julio & Jazz actually
                            I strenuously object and demand that be stricken from the record...
                            You want free speech?
                            Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                            • Skippy85410
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2019
                              • 243

                              #29
                              Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                              Originally posted by Friar Fanatic
                              Do people actually sit there and stare at the cover art and fume about this?
                              No, but if he wasn't wearing his uniform, you would never know it was a baseball game. And on top of that, like we said, there's at least 50 players more deserving than him to be on the cover who never got their shot yet.

                              Trout finished in the top 5 in OPS for 9 consecutive seasons and is a no doubt HoFer. No other player has ever done that. How does he not get on a cover?

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                              • Ghost Of The Year
                                Life's been good so far.
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 6352

                                #30
                                Re: Baseball is not easy - just ask

                                Originally posted by Skippy85410
                                No, but if he wasn't wearing his uniform, you would never know it was a baseball game. And on top of that, like we said, there's at least 50 players more deserving than him to be on the cover who never got their shot yet.

                                Trout finished in the top 5 in OPS for 9 consecutive seasons and is a no doubt HoFer. No other player has ever done that. How does he not get on a cover?
                                He may have turned them down. It was several years before he allowed The Show to face scan him.
                                T-BONE.

                                Talking about things nobody cares.

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