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  • ninertravel
    MVP
    • Aug 2015
    • 4833

    #16
    Re: AI Bullpen Logic

    Originally posted by DudeManE
    Here’s what I’ve noticed.

    The AI is good in close games late. Very good particularly with the team leading. You’ll get set up guys up to the ninth and then the closer.

    The AI is not good in low leverage situations. It will tend to pick the same middle/long RP and just run him into the ground. Same guy almost every time. Doesn’t matter if he came in tired.

    AI is worst in a tied game late. It counts that as low leverage which is where I think the problem is. It would rather put in a mop up guy than a high leverage reliever. It is particularly frustrating in a playoff game.

    There are bullpen setups that will help but none solve the problems.

    I just jump in and make the change myself if necessary.

    This does not help with simming though.


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    100% all of this jumping in is good the issue is if you are not fast enough and the CPU makes a bowhead choice and they have to face 3 batters first there is also the issue of when you warm up a giu for them the CPU says *oh no you dont I want my guy to warm up* and sits that pitcher down again

    I believe this is why their is a myth in the 'comeback code' at least for when we come back because the stupidity of the CPU AI bp logic

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    • Ghost Of The Year
      T Bone
      • Mar 2014
      • 6406

      #17
      Re: AI Bullpen Logic

      Originally posted by ninertravel
      100% all of this jumping in is good the issue is if you are not fast enough and the CPU makes a bowhead choice and they have to face 3 batters first there is also the issue of when you warm up a giu for them the CPU says *oh no you dont I want my guy to warm up* and sits that pitcher down again

      I believe this is why their is a myth in the 'comeback code' at least for when we come back because the stupidity of the CPU AI bp logic
      There is a myth about the Come Back Code. The myth being that the code exists.
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      • theoriginal561
        Rookie
        • May 2011
        • 338

        #18
        Re: AI Bullpen Logic

        Originally posted by ninertravel
        QC don't really matter. as soon as a pitcher is injured gets blow out in the 1st innings or can't quite get out of the 4th innings CPU warms up the LR maybe it is better to have 2 LR guys instead of 1 perhaps then the CPU won't always just pick the 1 guy regardless of how tired he is.



        The setup guys are always a issue as well with the CPU basically will never get used by them unless they have a 1 run lead in the 8th innings.
        I replied to the wrong message so don't take offense here. Too lazy to fix it lol


        Quick counts DO matter. For whatever reason it messes with stamina and makes them get tired faster than they should. This is why you can't play with them unless you bump the stamina sliders up like to like 7 or 8 and Manager Hook at 5.



        LRP should always just be at 35 or less stamina. Only thing to do with it is just keep his stamina lower so that he can't be abused a lot OR put your worst reliever (20-25 stam) as your LRP so that he can't be used every game. He's the first out but he's a normal reliever at least.

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        • djflock
          Pro
          • Sep 2022
          • 645

          #19
          Re: AI Bullpen Logic

          Originally posted by Mike Lowe
          AI bullpen logic is my biggest issue with the game. Here's to hoping it finally gets some attention in 2024.
          Agree. And lineup logic there too.

          My biggest grip about these two things is the predictability. After 6 or so years of the same exact lineup/bullpen AI , I know exactly what the cpu is going to do. I'd almost just prefer the logic to be random at this point.

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          • wheels2121
            Pro
            • Nov 2002
            • 672

            #20
            Re: AI Bullpen Logic

            You have to put low stamina guys in the lrp spots. Lr2 and SU2 won’t get used at all so bury guys there.

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            • soxfanbs91
              Rookie
              • Feb 2020
              • 310

              #21
              Re: AI Bullpen Logic

              Originally posted by wheels2121
              You have to put low stamina guys in the lrp spots. Lr2 and SU2 won’t get used at all so bury guys there.
              So does it make sense to structure the bullpen this way:
              LRP 1: Best non-closer reliever (set-up man)
              LRP 2: Third best reliever
              LRP 3: Long-reliever/swingman (guy with higher stamina)
              MRP 1: Reliever
              MRP 2: Reliever
              MRP 3: Reliever
              SU 1: Second best non-closer reliever
              SU 2: (leave blank)
              Closer: Closer

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              • soxfanbs91
                Rookie
                • Feb 2020
                • 310

                #22
                Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                For example, using Roster Resource of the Dodgers projected pen:

                https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-res...charts/dodgers

                LRP 1: Brusdar Graterol (SU)
                LRP 2: Joe Kelly (MR)
                LRP 3: Ryan Yarbrough (LR)
                MRP 1: Alex Vesia (MR)
                MRP 2: Blake Treinen (MR)
                MRP 3: J.P. Feyereisen (MR)
                SU 1: Caleb Ferguson (SU)
                SU 2:
                CL: Evan Phillips (CL)
                Attached Files

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                • tgreer
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 565

                  #23
                  Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                  Someone posted this last year and it worked out really well:

                  First, make sure cpu only has ONE 6th starter or guy with high stamina. After that, set up their bullpen this way. I promise it is the best possible setup for the cpu. I doubt they can fix the logic, or they would've by now.


                  Put your 2 lowest rated RP pitchers that have less then 40 stamina in the 2 LRP spots

                  Put your best RP/setup man in the SU1 spot

                  Put your closer in the closer spot like normal

                  Put your highest rated RP's in the MRP 1-3 spots

                  Put the 6th starter/LRP pitcher in the MRP4

                  SU2 - empty

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                  • LegendKillerOne
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2019
                    • 1764

                    #24
                    Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                    Originally posted by theoriginal561
                    I replied to the wrong message so don't take offense here. Too lazy to fix it lol


                    Quick counts DO matter. For whatever reason it messes with stamina and makes them get tired faster than they should. This is why you can't play with them unless you bump the stamina sliders up like to like 7 or 8 and Manager Hook at 5.



                    LRP should always just be at 35 or less stamina. Only thing to do with it is just keep his stamina lower so that he can't be abused a lot OR put your worst reliever (20-25 stam) as your LRP so that he can't be used every game. He's the first out but he's a normal reliever at least.
                    I just noticed a work around or maybe say glitch with quick counts and it took me until this long into the cycle to notice it. If I save a game in the middle and come back half the time it resets the pitchers pitch count who was in the game.
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                    • ninertravel
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 4833

                      #25
                      Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                      Reducing the LR stamina to 35 isn’t the answer sone of those pitchers make spot starts.. irs like the ai had the LR guy as a priority it’s a easy fix if they ever fix the ai logic with it, until then I’ll keep managing the bp myself.

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                      • ninertravel
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 4833

                        #26
                        Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                        Originally posted by soxfanbs91
                        For example, using Roster Resource of the Dodgers projected pen:

                        https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-res...charts/dodgers

                        LRP 1: Brusdar Graterol (SU)
                        LRP 2: Joe Kelly (MR)
                        LRP 3: Ryan Yarbrough (LR)
                        MRP 1: Alex Vesia (MR)
                        MRP 2: Blake Treinen (MR)
                        MRP 3: J.P. Feyereisen (MR)
                        SU 1: Caleb Ferguson (SU)
                        SU 2:
                        CL: Evan Phillips (CL)
                        Does this mean the su2 guy will only get used though if the starter comes out before the 5th??

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                        • BodamEscapePlan
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 295

                          #27
                          Re: Bullpen AI Login

                          This is something I've been trying to fight since really getting into The Show in 2014. The best and most effective solution I came up with is lowering every relief pitcher's Stamina somewhere in the range of 11-20. 11 was for basically lefty specialists and 20 was your multi-inning reliever.

                          There were times where I still saw relievers go 3 full innings both in-game and by simulating but it mostly took care of the problem.

                          Your issue is more ratings/overall based it sounds like.
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                          • LegendKillerOne
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 1764

                            #28
                            Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                            Some great ideas but I think at the end of the day we paying for a game that should not force us to do this for realistic behaviors. So lets hope they found a fix in 24
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                            • soxfanbs91
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 310

                              #29
                              Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                              Originally posted by tgreer
                              Someone posted this last year and it worked out really well:

                              First, make sure cpu only has ONE 6th starter or guy with high stamina. After that, set up their bullpen this way. I promise it is the best possible setup for the cpu. I doubt they can fix the logic, or they would've by now.


                              Put your 2 lowest rated RP pitchers that have less then 40 stamina in the 2 LRP spots

                              Put your best RP/setup man in the SU1 spot

                              Put your closer in the closer spot like normal

                              Put your highest rated RP's in the MRP 1-3 spots

                              Put the 6th starter/LRP pitcher in the MRP4

                              SU2 - empty
                              I played a handful of games with this setup and it seems to work pretty close to how it should.

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                              • djflock
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2022
                                • 645

                                #30
                                Re: AI Bullpen Logic

                                At this point, I would be happier with logic that just randomizes who in the bullpen pitches and how they set their lineup.

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