MLB The Show 24 Gameplay Improvements and Trailer Revealed

[jcar0725]

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Hardball! The first baseball video game I ever played. My dad had it for the Commodore 64. There were two teams: red and blue.


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Hardball for the PC, I loved that game !

[mrCPUgeek]

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Hardball! The first baseball video game I ever played. My dad had it for the Commodore 64. There were two teams: red and blue.


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I had it on PC. Actually, my girlfriend bought it for me when she broke up with me. Kind of a win win at the time. LOL.


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[Shaffer26]

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54 just on the graphics team? What have they been doing all year? For the past 10 years????

I don't think it's the # of people on the staff that counts, it's the fact that they're all handcuffed by being insisted to created the game for older hardware.

[canes21]

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I don't know. Art, graphics? But apparently developing a video game isn't as simple a task as saying these things are simple and should have been done differently years ago.

Nobody said it was that simple. Stop with the strawman stuff. That's a very common theme I'm noticing from the crowd that cannot accept that the game is objectively behind the times.

"I'd rather they improve other areas of the game before graphics"

"I played X on the SNES, so the game looks fine to me"

"Gameplay matters way more than graphics"

And so on. Literally nobody that's complaining about graphics is saying they're more important than the gameplay or that the game is a massive failure because the game looks like a PS3 game still or whatever. So many strawman arguments continue to be made by a select group that fot whatever reason feels the need to defend the game.

I don't even know why this is a conversation that continues to be so polarizing here. It's not anything that's subjective at all. The gsme is behind the standard graphically by a decade at this point. It's just an objective fact that people are pointing out and questioning, yet some here are making it out to be that those complaining about graphics are calling the game trash or are saying graphics matter above all else.

Literally nobody is saying any of the things those that continue to defend the graphics are arguing against. Many of us accept that the gameplay is pretty good and does typically matter more than the graphics do. That does not excuse the lack of progress the graphics have made.

It is just crazy to me to see this specific board on these forums become this way. It's how the Madden boards used to be 5-10 years ago. If you critique the game you end up with a group of people trying to make you seem unreasonable. Why?

Also, the guy you're replying to literally does video game graphical work. I've also done it in the side for free and for payment, so we both know it's not as simple as saying it. I just wanted to address that strawman still as I found it a humorous attempt at trying to discredit the complaints. It's just a bit of irony you'd say it to the one guy here that legit does video game graphics, lol.

Don't take this reply as a personal attack on you. It's more me speaking in general. It's just frustrating to see this community devolve into one where people with legitimate critiques are constantly being met with so much backlash and are constantly made out to be unreasonable by a select group.

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[jcar0725]

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Nobody said it was that simple. Stop with the strawman stuff. That's a very common theme I'm noticing from the crowd that cannot accept that the game is objectively behind the times.

"I'd rather they improve other areas of the game before graphics"

"I played X on the SNES, so the game looks fine to me"

"Gameplay matters way more than graphics"

And so on. Literally nobody that's complaining about graphics is saying they're more important than the gameplay or that the game is a massive failure because the game looks like a PS3 game still or whatever. So many strawman arguments continue to be made by a select group that fot whatever reason feels the need to defend the game.

I don't even know why this is a conversation that continues to be so polarizing here. It's not anything that's subjective at all. The gsme is behind the standard graphically by a decade at this point. It's just an objective fact that people are pointing out and questioning, yet some here are making it out to be that those complaining about graphics are calling the game trash or are saying graphics matter above all else.

Literally nobody is saying any of the things those that continue to defend the graphics are arguing against. Many of us accept that the gameplay is pretty good and does typically matter more than the graphics do. That does not excuse the lack of progress the graphics have made.

It is just crazy to me to see this specific board on these forums become this way. It's how the Madden boards used to be 5-10 years ago. If you critique the game you end up with a group of people trying to make you seem unreasonable. Why?

Also, the guy you're replying to literally does video game graphical work. I've also done it in the side for free and for payment, so we both know it's not as simple as saying it. I just wanted to address that strawman still as I found it a humorous attempt at trying to discredit the complaints. It's just a bit of irony you'd say it to the one guy here that legit sites video game graphics, lol.

Don't take this reply as a personal attack on you. It's more me speaking in general. It's just frustrating to see this community devolve into one where people with legitimate critiques are constantly being met with so much backlash and are constantly made out to be unreasonable by a select group.

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It's not just one-sided. Both sides of that "debate" continue this back and forth until it's beaten to death. And then it's starts over again.

It's okay to say you hate the graphics. It's okay to say you're fine with the graphics. It should just end there, but it just keeps going and going....

[canes21]

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It's not just one-sided. Both sides of that "debate" continue this back and forth until it's beaten to death. And then it's starts over again.

It's okay to say you hate the graphics. It's okay to say you're fine with the graphics. It should just end there, but it just keeps going and going....

The side complaining about the graphics at least continues to point out where the game is lacking. The grass, the dirt, player models, lighting, texture resolution, etc. It's not every post, but it's at least consistent enough and is productive.

The other side that's creating strawman arguments does nothing to help the situation. Saying you prefer gameplay over graphics is nothing but a soft troll attempt. Same for saying you played SNES games or whatever else has been said along those lines.

There's nothing wrong with being content with where the game is graphically. Not everyone has the same wants and needs. However, trying to discredit those who are complaining about objective deficiencies is just defending the game for no reason outside of blind loyalty and/or to try and troll others.

The graphics conversation should remain a conversation that focuses on the technical details, good and bad, yet it devolves consistently each time someone feels the need to come in and discredit those complaining about the graphics. It's a predictable cycle at this point that is beyond unnecessary.

Every critique does not need to be met with a reply about how someone doesn't care about graphics improving. That literally does nothing productive at all.

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[djflock]

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I do think we also over credit MLBTS for "gameplay". Out of all the sports, baseball, is by far the easiest to develop. And let's be honest, that isn't even perfect.

Just like someone above mentioned hardball, I played High Heat baseball on PC in like 02 and was able to get very realistic gameplay.

If we didn't get significant franchise changes, it does seem kind of hard to defend them this year. They said they basically didn't touch gameplay because it was in a good place so.... we would be paying $70 for ngl season 2 and a Derek Jeter storyline?

[jcar0725]

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The side complaining about the graphics at least continues to point out where the game is lacking. The grass, the dirt, player models, lighting, texture resolution, etc. It's not every post, but it's at least consistent enough and is productive.

The other side that's creating strawman arguments does nothing to help the situation. Saying you prefer gameplay over graphics is nothing but a soft troll attempt. Same for saying you played SNES games or whatever else has been said along those lines.

There's nothing wrong with being content with where the game is graphically. Not everyone has the same wants and needs. However, trying to discredit those who are complaining about objective deficiencies is just defending the game for no reason outside of blind loyalty and/or to try and troll others.

The graphics conversation should remain a conversation that focuses on the technical details, good and bad, yet it devolves consistently each time someone feels the need to come in and discredit those complaining about the graphics. It's a predictable cycle at this point that is beyond unnecessary.

Every critique does not need to be met with a reply about how someone doesn't care about graphics improving. That literally does nothing productive at all.

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I'm not saying you're wrong you do bring up a good point, I'll only say that the vitriol is coming from both sides, when really it's just people sharing their opinions. Its not wrong to share both opinions on a discussion forum.

If someone randomly shares how beautiful they feel the sky, the stadiums, the colors look, someone will follow that up immediately with how bad the graphics are with the tone that you're ridiculous if you're not in agreement, or you're holding the game back if you don't agree. Happens all the time from both sides.

[Kramer5150]

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Nobody said it was that simple. Stop with the strawman stuff. That's a very common theme I'm noticing from the crowd that cannot accept that the game is objectively behind the times.

"I'd rather they improve other areas of the game before graphics"

"I played X on the SNES, so the game looks fine to me"

"Gameplay matters way more than graphics"

And so on. Literally nobody that's complaining about graphics is saying they're more important than the gameplay or that the game is a massive failure because the game looks like a PS3 game still or whatever. So many strawman arguments continue to be made by a select group that fot whatever reason feels the need to defend the game.

I don't even know why this is a conversation that continues to be so polarizing here. It's not anything that's subjective at all. The gsme is behind the standard graphically by a decade at this point. It's just an objective fact that people are pointing out and questioning, yet some here are making it out to be that those complaining about graphics are calling the game trash or are saying graphics matter above all else.

Literally nobody is saying any of the things those that continue to defend the graphics are arguing against. Many of us accept that the gameplay is pretty good and does typically matter more than the graphics do. That does not excuse the lack of progress the graphics have made.

It is just crazy to me to see this specific board on these forums become this way. It's how the Madden boards used to be 5-10 years ago. If you critique the game you end up with a group of people trying to make you seem unreasonable. Why?

Also, the guy you're replying to literally does video game graphical work. I've also done it in the side for free and for payment, so we both know it's not as simple as saying it. I just wanted to address that strawman still as I found it a humorous attempt at trying to discredit the complaints. It's just a bit of irony you'd say it to the one guy here that legit does video game graphics, lol.

Don't take this reply as a personal attack on you. It's more me speaking in general. It's just frustrating to see this community devolve into one where people with legitimate critiques are constantly being met with so much backlash and are constantly made out to be unreasonable by a select group.

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The side complaining about the graphics at least continues to point out where the game is lacking. The grass, the dirt, player models, lighting, texture resolution, etc. It's not every post, but it's at least consistent enough and is productive.

The other side that's creating strawman arguments does nothing to help the situation. Saying you prefer gameplay over graphics is nothing but a soft troll attempt. Same for saying you played SNES games or whatever else has been said along those lines.

There's nothing wrong with being content with where the game is graphically. Not everyone has the same wants and needs. However, trying to discredit those who are complaining about objective deficiencies is just defending the game for no reason outside of blind loyalty and/or to try and troll others.

The graphics conversation should remain a conversation that focuses on the technical details, good and bad, yet it devolves consistently each time someone feels the need to come in and discredit those complaining about the graphics. It's a predictable cycle at this point that is beyond unnecessary.

Every critique does not need to be met with a reply about how someone doesn't care about graphics improving. That literally does nothing productive at all.

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[KnightTemplar]

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I'm not saying you're wrong you do bring up a good point, I'll only say that the vitriol is coming from both sides, when really it's just people sharing their opinions. Its not wrong to share both opinions on a discussion forum.

If someone randomly shares how beautiful they feel the sky, the stadiums, the colors look, someone will follow that up immediately with how bad the graphics are with the tone that you're ridiculous if you're not in agreement, or you're holding the game back if you don't agree. Happens all the time from both sides.

Absolutely. Agreeing to disagree gets some on this forum to go on long winded rants.

[baconbits11]

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Have to say though as much as we criticize Madden for its gameplay, they at least did something with the graphics starting in Madden 21. It does look like a next-(current) Gen game. This is even with still producing a PS4/Xbox One product. The gameplay in The Show is already fantastic and should allow for fixing all the small things that are annoying, like bullpen management, customizable schedules/divisions, add online franchise, add year to year saves/rosters, etc. Those things should be the focus of this development team if the graphics were up to par.

In summary though, I think all those criticizing graphics are asking for is an upgrade comparable in The Show.

[jcar0725]

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Have to say though as much as we criticize Madden for its gameplay, they at least did something with the graphics starting in Madden 21. It does look like a next-(current) Gen game. This is even with still producing a PS4/Xbox One product. The gameplay in The Show is already fantastic and should allow for fixing all the small things that are annoying, like bullpen management, customizable schedules/divisions, online franchise, etc.

In summary though, I think all those criticizing graphics are asking for is an upgrade comparable in The Show.

Just to add to this, anyone on this board would welcome graphical improvements on the level of madden, even if they feel what the show has now is good enough to still enjoy the game. It doesn't mean they don't think there isn't room for improvement.

[KnightTemplar]

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Just to add to this, anyone on this board would welcome graphical improvements on the level of madden, even if they feel what the show has now is good enough to still enjoy the game. It doesn't mean they don't think there isn't room for improvement.

Of course.

Me, I have zero problems with the graphics. If somebody else does, that’s cool, but don’t infer people are dumb, etc., because of an opinion and they are holding the game back, etc.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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It's not just one-sided. Both sides of that "debate" continue this back and forth until it's beaten to death. And then it's starts over again.

It's okay to say you hate the graphics. It's okay to say you're fine with the graphics. It should just end there, but it just keeps going and going....

There's actually more than two sides. On one side you have people like canes who can critique the game with common sense. Then there is another side that criticises developers with personal attacks claiming they are lazy. But somewhere lost in the mix, some in the ''critique'' side are misidentified as part of the ''criticise'' crowd. I think that's why canes thought my comment was dircted at those who can constructively critique (again, like canes himself) when in fact my aim was at that third side. It's a fine tightrope line to walk in being able to rationally critique the game. Not everyone can do it. Hell, there are some on that third side who have no intention of walking it. The very first thing out of their mouths is ''lazy''. And again, I do not consider canes part of that third side. There are three sides to every coin, the heads and tails side that can land on either side. And then there is the third side that is irrational and can only exist when spun out of control, like a spinning quarter. But at the end of the day when the spinning is done, it won't be their side that lands up when the dust settles and the coin stop lands on one side or other.

[jcar0725]

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There's actually more than two sides. On one side you have people like canes who can critique the game with common sense. Then there is another side that criticises developers with personal attacks claiming they are lazy. But somewhere lost in the mix, some in the ''critique'' side are misidentified as part of the ''criticise'' crowd. I think that's why canes thought my comment was dircted at those who can constructively critique (again, like canes himself) when in fact my aim was at that third side. It's a fine tightrope line to walk in being able to rationally critique the game. Not everyone can do it. Hell, there are some on that third side who have no intention of walking it. The very first thing out of their mouths is ''lazy''. And again, I do not consider canes part of that third side. There are three sides to every coin, the heads and tails side that can land on either side. And then there is the third side that is irrational and can only exist when spun out of control, like a spinning quarter. But at the end of the day when the spinning is done, it won't be their side that lands up when the dust settles and the coin stop lands on one side or other.

Fantastic point! There are those of us sort of in the middle that most likely could have cool contrasting conversations, but not actually be that far apart. It's the ones way off to one side or the other that ruin it for the rest of us.