Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

[SirManBoy]

So, in my franchise playthrough the year is 2028 and a very capable 38-year-old Freddie Freeman with a 79 OVR and strong hitting attributes doesn’t get signed. Instead, some teams around the league are placing non-first baseman (not even as their secondary position) at the position, or they are calling up inferior players with lower OVRs and abysmal hitting attributes. My guess is that some kind of age and OVR threshold has been passed, so that’s why this situation has occurred, but it’s a shame that the logic isn’t programmed better than this. I give the franchise team kudos for doing a much better job with regression, but if free agent veterans don’t get signed when they are still a far better option than what’s already on half of the league’s rosters, then it doesn’t mean much.

[ripwalk]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

What’s he asking for ? Just thinking out loud, but maybe a budget situation if his contract demand is too high for the teams that need him to pay ..

[countryboy]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

What’s he asking for ? Just thinking out loud, but maybe a budget situation if his contract demand is too high for the teams that need him to pay ..

That along with prior year(s) stats.

If his stats have been subpar and his asking price is high, then I would suspect teams to pass on him.

[bilbobeuli]

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That along with prior year(s) stats.

If his stats have been subpar and his asking price is high, then I would suspect teams to pass on him.

I seriously doubt that this kind of logic for the AI is present in this game.

[SportsGamer89]

Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

I seriously doubt that this kind of logic for the AI is present in this game.

Why do you doubt that? If they don’t have the funds for them to sign him, they simply can’t..

Nevermind read your post wrong lol it’s early.
Yeah not sure what the logic is when it comes to players stats.


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[countryboy]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

I seriously doubt that this kind of logic for the AI is present in this game.

This kind of logic is absolutely present in the game

[SirManBoy]

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I doubt that there’s any performance considerations tied to free agency. I just witnessed the Cardinals drop the 2027 league batting champion, Dan Vogelbach, off of their playoff roster because he had a 69 OVR. And like Freeman, he wasn’t signed in 2028. We all know that a C-potential vet with a rating in the 60s doesn’t ask for much at that stage of their career, so if performance was truly a factor, I’m sure some team would have ponied up for the previous year’s batting champ. To test this out even further I signed Freeman for only 60K and then I released him. No team jumped on his rights, so he fell right back into free agency. I think his age and OVR are the only factors at play, but I don’t understand why the game logic isn’t trying to pick up competitive players.

[Freakywwe]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

I seriously doubt that this kind of logic for the AI is present in this game.

It is absolutely present. The league will leave ageing veterans who aren't putting up numbers asking for the same money they were making on the free agent list and go pickup a young prospect who puts up similar numbers for a fraction of the cost lol

[SirManBoy]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

It is absolutely present. The league will leave ageing veterans who aren't putting up numbers asking for the same money they were making on the free agent list and go pickup a young prospect who puts up similar numbers for a fraction of the cost lol

Then why can I as the human user sign Freeman for 60K? And why won’t anyone take a 60K Freeman when I release him? He’s still better than 60% of the rostered first baseman around the league, but the CPU won’t even throw a league minimum offer at him. As I said, if the game logic is dumb enough to take a league batting champ and drop him from a playoff roster, then it would seem that the free agency logic is just as dumb. As far as I can tell, it’s driven exclusively by a combination of potential, age, position and rating, and once you hit the sweet spot on that matrix where the player is both in their late 30s and falling below 80 OVR, it basically marks you an undesirable who won’t get signed by a CPU club. No way should 26-year-old Journeyman McGee with a 71 OVR, C potential, and trash hitting attributes be the preferred option.

[countryboy]

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Then why can I as the human user sign Freeman for 60K? And why won’t anyone take a 60K Freeman when I release him? He’s still better than 60% of the rostered first baseman around the league, but the CPU won’t even throw a league minimum offer at him. As I said, if the game logic is dumb enough to take a league batting champ and drop him from a playoff roster, then it would seem that the free agency logic is just as dumb. As far as I can tell, it’s driven exclusively by a combination of potential, age, position and rating, and once you hit the sweet spot on that matrix where the player is both in their late 30s and falling below 80 OVR, it basically marks you an undesirable who won’t get signed by a CPU club. No way should 26-year-old Journeyman McGee with a 71 OVR, C potential, and trash hitting attributes be the preferred option.

When are you signing him for $60K? What is his asking price?

[SirManBoy]

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When are you signing him for $60K? What is his asking price?

Free agents will eventually sign for anything if they don’t receive any other offers.

[countryboy]

Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

Free agents will eventually sign for anything if they don’t receive any other offers.

Right this takes place after all the arbitration hearings are sorted out (last week or so of offseason) and typically the AI roster is full so they don't go out and sign additional players.

Also the AI isn't going to undercut someone drastically just to sign. So if Freeman is asking for $650K, that is how they are going to value him against their budget and roster.

As for why they don't take him for $60K when you release him, its because they will look at Freeman as an aging vet that is on a one year deal versus being controllable player that holds more value should they look to trade.

Its not impossible for aging vets to be signed in the offseason to low end contracts. In my '23 franchise Joey Votto signed at the age of 41 (maybe 42) with the Phillies for around $550K. I remember being shocked they did and looked at his stats which were pretty bad. I don't recall his overall exactly but I know if was low-mid 60s.

[mattynokes]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

So, in my franchise playthrough the year is 2028 and a very capable 38-year-old Freddie Freeman with a 79 OVR and strong hitting attributes doesn’t get signed. Instead, some teams around the league are placing non-first baseman (not even as their secondary position) at the position, or they are calling up inferior players with lower OVRs and abysmal hitting attributes. My guess is that some kind of age and OVR threshold has been passed, so that’s why this situation has occurred, but it’s a shame that the logic isn’t programmed better than this. I give the franchise team kudos for doing a much better job with regression, but if free agent veterans don’t get signed when they are still a far better option than what’s already on half of the league’s rosters, then it doesn’t mean much.

I play CPU generated Franchises and this has been the way for some time now. Each season, you'll almost always find a handful of useful upper 30's aged players sitting in Free Agency.

I do agree with using younger players, but their decisions are perplexing when a player is screaming, "clear upgrade." Especially when they had a good season a year ago. Like with Bullpen Logic, The Show's Bench Management is odd with how CPU teams won't cover certain positions, but keep three or four catchers on the roster.

[SirManBoy]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

2028 Freddie Freeman — Stats & Attributes:

https://imgur.com/a/OQKl2JH

[countryboy]

Re: Weird ageism programmed into free agent signing logic.

2028 Freddie Freeman — Stats & Attributes:
https://imgur.com/a/OQKl2JH

What was his asking price on the market?


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