Quick Counts vs Regular

[IndianSummer]

I remembered that Knight told me that he had switched away from quick counts last year and the game played great. I was one of the guys that was getting a ridiculous amount of strikeouts.
Every year when the new version drops there are those guys with problems and those with none. From 2006 thru 2020 I was one of the guys with no issues.
I was very sick for a couple of years and really don’t remember anything about 21 or 22. Then when 23 dropped I was one of the guys with problems……too many strikeouts.

This year when 24 dropped other than putting a little more bite into the AI offense it was great. Then patch 12 dropped and the strikeout issue began again. I went from averaging 8 Ks per game to 14 Ks. The AI was punchless at the plate and rightfully so when an additional 6 Ks per game happens that is two innings that they didn’t put a ball in play.

Flashback to Knight’s conversation. So I decided to start a new franchise with the same team so I could compare apples to apples. Only turn Quick Counts off. Wow.

Quick Count game
Angels at Orioles
I have Bradish he goes 5.1 innings allowing 2 hits 0 runs 2 BB 10 Ks. The pens finished them off adding 4 more Ks and the Orioles win 6-0

Quick Counts OFF.
Angels at Orioles
Bradish on the mound goes 5 innings allowing 4 hits 1 run BB 0 K 6
The pens pitches the next 6 innings allowing 11 hits 9 runs BB 0 K 3.
Angels win 10-6 in 11 innings.

I know it’s only one game but the difference was noticeable. QC game 14 Ks in 9 innings
Regular game had 9 Ks in 11 innings.
The AI put up some offense for the first time since the patch to fix the foul balls.

Both of these games was played with the exact same sliders.
On an interesting side note, Bradish on QC went 90 pitches before stamina bar turned yellow. Without QC his bar turned yellow at 76. That may or may not mean anything but I thought I would throw that out there.

Classic pitching-Timing hitting
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I also let the catcher call the pitch and location.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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My experience even before this year was I always threw more K's with generated counts but I also issued more walks.
I still will play the occasional game with QC on but for the most part I use QC for all spring training games.
I would use QC more if Sony allowed us to set the percentage of times we see a generated count and also allowed all counts to be generated. Its waay past time they expanded the quick count possibilities.
For instance, in my case, I would set generated counts like so:
0-0 / 6%
0-1 / 6%
1-0 / 6%
1-1 / 10%
0-2 / 10%
2-0 / 10%
1-2 / 10%
2-1 / 10%
2-2 / 10%
3-2 / 10%
3-1 / 6%
3-0 / 6%

[KnightTemplar]

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Indian summer

I could never go back to QC. I realize you’ve been fighting health problems, concentration, etc., so QC speeds up the game for you a bit. I’m the same way so what I might end up doing is saving a game then going back to it, depending on my concentration level. That helps.

QC always gave me too many 2 strike counts. I think with it off you have to be more cautious with your pitches, esp. if you start 2-0 to a batter. Plus you mention the stamina. BIG problem with QC on. Man, most of my pitchers hit the wall around the 5/6 inning, so that impacts the Ks.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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QC always gave me too many 2 strike counts.

This.
Which is why we need to be able to set the percentage we want to see a generated count. I would have 2 strike counts set at 40%.
Sony, the ball is in your court, do something!

Plus you mention the stamina. BIG problem with QC on. Man, most of my pitchers hit the wall around the 5/6 inning, so that impacts the Ks.

Did you ever tinker with raising the Stamina Slider when playing with QC?

[jcar0725]

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My two cents on when I used quick counts a few years ago, it didn't seem to shave off as much game time as I thought it would.

[KnightTemplar]

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This.
Which is why we need to be able to set the percentage we want to see a generated count. I would have 2 strike counts set at 40%.
Sony, the ball is in your court, do something!
Did you ever tinker with raising the Stamina Slider when playing with QC?

I don’t recall. It’s been awhile, but I just didn’t like how the game felt otherwise. Example, I’m down a run 9th inning, 2 out, runner on third and I’m given an 0-2 count. Groan.

[IndianSummer]

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My first series is done not using QC.
10-6 loss in extra innings 9k
2-1 loss in extra innings 10k
8-6 loss 14k

I don’t understand how QC can be so different than playing the full version.
AI has plenty of punch but was dead on QC.
Strikeouts are in line as opposed to QC
Hitting seems the same
Cut scenes are even different.

I guess it’s the full version for me now.

I hope those of you that are using QC and having problems checkout the full version. I would love to hear your results.

[bryanm1982]

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My first series is done not using QC.
10-6 loss in extra innings 9k
2-1 loss in extra innings 10k
8-6 loss 14k

I don’t understand how QC can be so different than playing the full version.
AI has plenty of punch but was dead on QC.
Strikeouts are in line as opposed to QC
Hitting seems the same
Cut scenes are even different.

I guess it’s the full version for me now.

I hope those of you that are using QC and having problems checkout the full version. I would love to hear your results.

I wish they would let us use it for hitting only or vice versa.

[NYJin2011tm]

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My first series is done not using QC.
10-6 loss in extra innings 9k
2-1 loss in extra innings 10k
8-6 loss 14k

I don’t understand how QC can be so different than playing the full version.
AI has plenty of punch but was dead on QC.
Strikeouts are in line as opposed to QC
Hitting seems the same
Cut scenes are even different.

I guess it’s the full version for me now.

I hope those of you that are using QC and having problems checkout the full version. I would love to hear your results.

I’ve always used it since its inception. But I just played my opening day without it. Now just one game but I didn’t notice much difference. Both my pitcher and cpu only lasted 5 innings and bb and K’s were in line from when I use quick counts. We’ll see what happens going forward though.

[PhlliesPhan6]

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I tried Quick Counts once this year and I felt like every single count I was given was 1-1. And as others have mentioned, I don't feel like it actually shaves off that much game time. I'd rather just work the count myself.

[NYJin2011tm]

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Which MLB the Show was the last one where quick counts worked correctly?

[TheBrew101]

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Which MLB the Show was the last one where quick counts worked correctly?

MLB 22. I'm not sure why they changed it. I still use it in MLB24 and it is ok but it worked better the old way.

[PhlliesPhan6]

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MLB 22. I'm not sure why they changed it. I still use it in MLB24 and it is ok but it worked better the old way.

What was wrong with it last year? I don't think I used it ever on last year's game.

[KnightTemplar]

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What was wrong with it last year? I don't think I used it ever on last year's game.

For one SP at 100 pitches in the 5th/6th inning.

[bryanm1982]

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What was wrong with it last year? I don't think I used it ever on last year's game.

In 22, the pitch count would minus one pitch every AB. So if a count started at 2-1, it would only count 2 pitches. That gave us realistic pitch counts and your pitcher would get tired at the same amount of pitches if we’re using regular counts. Now, if counts every pitch and you are getting a minimum of 15 pitches per inning and you get 90-100 pitches by the 5th inning. Because you never get one pitch AB’s.

In 22, you would also get some 2-0 or 0-2 counts. In 24, you get mostly 1-1 counts. Sometimes you’ll get 3-1, 2-1, 1-2, or 2-2 counts but they are rare. But you always start with a ball and a strike.