MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

[Kramer5150]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

The one where he plays football against the young kids is my all time favorite king of queens moment.

There are soooo many great episodes, it's hard to pick a favorite...I love the interaction between Doug and Arthur, one highlight that sticks out is when Doug is at the Hospital and calls home needing Carrie's insurance card, and at the end of the phone call Doug says "I love you" to Arthur..cracks me up every damn time...

[SmashMan]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

There are soooo many great episodes, it's hard to pick a favorite.

“It's not my behind, it was my befront.”

[puppies_on_acid]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

I am so tired of reading posts that mention that this team or that team is "lazy" which is why changes don't happen as fast as people want...or features don't get added.

Do you think these are a bunch of guys hanging around in someone's garage deciding to watch King of Queens reruns rather than work on the project? Ever work for a major corporation? The opportunity to be "lazy" is not even present.

Art team and every other team take direction from execs from various other teams like marketing, sales, advertising, and the project executive team. Individuals don't decide on that they are going to work on daily. There is no concept of laziness in this arena. Don't show up for work frequently or miss deadlines will get you fired. Period. They all have performance metrics to meet and get reviewed yearly by management. Level 3 performer? Work on your resume...

I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I laid out several possibilities for the stagnation of the games art direction. Laziness would be the least likely for exactly the reasons you outlined above. The most likely culprit being upper management wanting to focus mostly on Diamond Dynasty, since that brings in the most money. It wouldn't surprise me if the art department has been cut down significantly over the last 10+ years.

[LastActionHero]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

but if it looks similar to 24 especially the umpire shoes. I don't think I will be paying up for 25

Hahaha this line cracked me up [emoji23]

[djflock]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Why is "lazy" a trigger word for everyone on here?

Putting out a game with SAME messed up bullpen, lineup logic while charging the same $69.99 is LAZY. Using the same exact code you have since PS3 is LAZY.

A company can be innovatively lax and lazy without specifically calling "John Doe", the lead dev, a lazy person at his job.

The whole situation is weird where they are making more and more money on micro transactions but even for the DD peeps, they seem to innovate less and less. In my uneducated opinion, a graphics boost is something that seems like it would draw in more of the casuals to play DD.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Why is "lazy" a trigger word for everyone on here?

Putting out a game with SAME messed up bullpen, lineup logic while charging the same $69.99 is LAZY. Using the same exact code you have since PS3 is LAZY.

A company can be innovatively lax and lazy without specifically calling "John Doe", the lead dev, a lazy person at his job.

The whole situation is weird where they are making more and more money on micro transactions but even for the DD peeps, they seem to innovate less and less. In my uneducated opinion, a graphics boost is something that seems like it would draw in more of the casuals to play DD.

They very well may be lazy (or extremely hard working), we can't possibly know without being in studio to watch if they are working at there job, or spending their time playing sudoku, Minecraft and Fortnite. Maybe they are doing exactly what the suits in the c-suite are telling them to do. We just don't know. But either way, I can agree things like bullpen logic among other things no doubt have some amount of sloppiness baked in. Maybe being slopy by definition makes one inherently lazy too, but I don't think so.

[Blzer]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

They very well may be lazy (or extremely hard working), we can't possibly know without being in studio to watch if they are working at there job, or spending their time playing sudoku, Minecraft and Fortnite. Maybe they are doing exactly what the suits in the c-suite are telling them to do. We just don't know. But either way, I can agree things like bullpen logic among other things no doubt have some amount of sloppiness baked in. Maybe being slopy by definition makes one inherently lazy too, but I don't think so.

Ramone personally took me into their offices in 2011, but that of course was also a different time. The things they do there amazed me, and makes me feel like their time spent was of the hard-working variety. It was also interesting to see that they had a PS3 playing MLB 2K11. They're all about seeing what their competition is doing.

Anyway. some others said it best (and we've heard it before) that they might just have like one stadium guy, one franchise guy, things like that. Artists are doing a lot of things regarding face scans and animations, and they aren't always about improving textures and grass and such.

Some things are in their creative control that I choose not to give them a pass over, but I'm certain they aren't all able to make which decisions should happen. I am for a complete scrap and overhaul of this game, and I doubt that will ever happen but even if they wanted to I'm sure that would be out of their ability to do so by governance alone.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Why is "lazy" a trigger word for everyone on here?

Putting out a game with SAME messed up bullpen, lineup logic while charging the same $69.99 is LAZY. Using the same exact code you have since PS3 is LAZY.

A company can be innovatively lax and lazy without specifically calling "John Doe", the lead dev, a lazy person at his job.

The whole situation is weird where they are making more and more money on micro transactions but even for the DD peeps, they seem to innovate less and less. In my uneducated opinion, a graphics boost is something that seems like it would draw in more of the casuals to play DD.

If people were saying that the result or game trend seemed lazy, that’s one thing. But most of the “lazy” comments are referring to devs or members of the team, which makes it sound like people are just working there doing nothing when that’s clearly not the case. Just because we aren’t getting certain things we want or not seeing growth we’d like in certain areas doesn’t mean that the people working on the game are lazy.

I think that’s where people take issue with using that word.

[topwater]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Why is "lazy" a trigger word for everyone on here?

Putting out a game with SAME messed up bullpen, lineup logic while charging the same $69.99 is LAZY. Using the same exact code you have since PS3 is LAZY.

A company can be innovatively lax and lazy without specifically calling "John Doe", the lead dev, a lazy person at his job.

The whole situation is weird where they are making more and more money on micro transactions but even for the DD peeps, they seem to innovate less and less. In my uneducated opinion, a graphics boost is something that seems like it would draw in more of the casuals to play DD.

For some reason gamers (especially here on OS) are ridiculously understanding and magnanimous about things that just a few years ago would have otherwise left them disappointed. Just because they have an interaction with a dev or someone on a social media platform or even in these forums all of a sudden they get excused for these game companies either being lazy or overwhelmingly greedy. It's so lame. I, as the average consumer, don't care about your personal relationship with any company I give money to. Stop simping. They do not give a single crap about you.

This game needs a presentation overhaul. It also needs to address some very old in game issues. Facts. I don't care if Ramone came to your kids birthday party. Not fixing these issues is either lazy, or greedy (because they will absolutely find a way to get gamers to spend money via micro transactions) or both. If you think otherwise I kinda question your intellectual integrity and/or capability.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

For some reason gamers (especially here on OS) are ridiculously understanding and magnanimous about things that just a few years ago would have otherwise left them disappointed. Just because they have an interaction with a dev or someone on a social media platform or even in these forums all of a sudden they get excused for these game developers either being lazy or overwhelmingly greedy. It's so lame. I, as the average consumer, don't care about your personal relationship with any company I give money to. Stop simping. They do not give a single crap about you.

This game needs a presentation overhaul. It also needs to address some very old in game issues. Facts. I don't care if Ramone came to your kids birthday party. Not fixing these issues is either lazy, or greedy (because they will absolutely find a way to get gamers to spend money via micro transactions) or both. If you think otherwise I kinda question your intellectual integrity and/or capability.

I absolutely cannot disagree with any statement saying Sony is in business to maximize profits lol.

[SmashMan]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

For some reason gamers (especially here on OS) are ridiculously understanding and magnanimous about things that just a few years ago would have otherwise left them disappointed. Just because they have an interaction with a dev or someone on a social media platform or even in these forums all of a sudden they get excused for these game companies either being lazy or overwhelmingly greedy. It's so lame. I, as the average consumer, don't care about your personal relationship with any company I give money to. Stop simping. They do not give a single crap about you.

Yeah, it's almost like learning more about game development (or any other field) might lead to people understanding how things work at these jobs and give them another perspective on why things on their personal wishlist may or may not make it to the final product. And whatever the shortcomings happen to be that year, if you want the product, buy it. If not, don't.

On the flip side, not learning more lets someone imagine that whatever they want to be true actually is and you wind up calling developers lazy or some other ****.

It's a real choose your own adventure book over here.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

For some reason gamers (especially here on OS) are ridiculously understanding and magnanimous about things that just a few years ago would have otherwise left them disappointed. Just because they have an interaction with a dev or someone on a social media platform or even in these forums all of a sudden they get excused for these game companies either being lazy or overwhelmingly greedy. It's so lame. I, as the average consumer, don't care about your personal relationship with any company I give money to. Stop simping. They do not give a single crap about you.

This game needs a presentation overhaul. It also needs to address some very old in game issues. Facts. I don't care if Ramone came to your kids birthday party. Not fixing these issues is either lazy, or greedy (because they will absolutely find a way to get gamers to spend money via micro transactions) or both. If you think otherwise I kinda question your intellectual integrity and/or capability.

It’s not about being understanding, it’s just pointing the frustration with things in the right direction. The people working on the game care a lot about the final product or they wouldn’t be working on it. Just because the priority list and direction of the game isn’t what some people want doesn’t mean people there are lazy. Also as someone that works in tech, I find it funny that people just throw around lazy when most don’t even know what goes into making and testing complex coding like a video game, especially when you have an annual deadline.

Also if we don’t like that issues aren’t being fixed, we don’t have to buy the product. They aren’t holding a gun to our heads and forcing us to purchase it every year.

[topwater]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Yeah, it's almost like learning more about game development (or any other field) might lead to people understanding how things work at these jobs and give them another perspective on why things on their personal wishlist may or may not make it to the final product. And whatever the shortcomings happen to be that year, if you want the product, buy it. If not, don't.

On the flip side, not learning more lets someone imagine that whatever they want to be true actually is and you wind up calling developers lazy or some other ****.

It's a real choose your own adventure book over here.

Case in point.

By this logic, everyone gets a pass at every profession because we've learned that all of a sudden humans are nuanced and life is hard. The world can't function like that. Everyone has issues in every profession. Acting like game development is this exclusive group of selfless, passionate misunderstood heroes is ridiculous.

My best friend on the planet for decades has been in game development long before it was even close to a viable profession, getting his feet wet with Sierra way back in the day and then breaking through with Team 17. I have a pretty decent perspective. Also, I'm a human being with life experience and an at least an above room temperature IQ, so I can figure out stuff on my own.

I'm not saying Ramone, or anyone on any team isn't an awesome person, and I'm not saying they are lazy in particular. I'm saying it isn't fair for consumers to have to do the mental gymnastics of where to place blame on an underwhelming product. Most consumers buy a product, and if it doesn't meet their expectations they get frustrated and in their mind assume that Company X doesn't do what they would like and next time they buy said product they move on to Company Y. They don't sit around and contemplate each individual who may have worked on the product's life story and wonder how driven or dedicated to their job they are. If you genuinely believe that then you are an absolute gem of a person. Also - look out because, that world view, while commendable and truly awesome, isn't reciprocated and you're in for a harsh does of reality.

I'd also like to remind you to keep that same energy with literally every single profession as to avoid (obvious) hypocrisy, so when the cat gets sick and the vet doesn't quite nail it, make sure to give them grace. When the lawnmower breaks after only it's third use, make sure to 'understand' that the people who assembled it are good people and were under a lot of stress, while you go spend more money to get it repaired. Then when you get the lawnmower back and it fails again, extend that grace to that mechanic/repairman because his boss was being a jerk that day and had him work an extra hour so he missed his kids recital. It goes on and on...

[KnightTemplar]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

I'm saying it isn't fair for consumers to have to do the mental gymnastics of where to place blame on an underwhelming product. Most consumers buy a product, and if it doesn't meet their expectations they get frustrated and in their mind assume that Company X doesn't do what they would like and next time they buy said product they move on to Company Y. They don't sit around and contemplate each individual who may have worked on the product's life story and wonder how driven or dedicated to their job they are.

I'd also like to remind you to keep that same energy with literally every single profession as to avoid (obvious) hypocrisy, so when the cat gets sick and the vet doesn't quite nail it, make sure to give them grace. When the lawnmower breaks after only it's third use, make sure to 'understand' that the people who assembled it are good people and were under a lot of stress, while you go spend more money to get it repaired. Then when you get the lawnmower back and it fails again, extend that grace to that mechanic/repairman because his boss was being a jerk that day and had him work an extra hour so he missed his kids recital. It goes on and on...

Good life advice in general.

I’m a retired cop so I know what “blame” is. Frustratingly inaccurate as it may be.

Personally I think this is a fantastic product. We can’t always get everything we want and as a result I don’t think it’s fair to call out the devs (plural) as lazy, and certainly we have no idea whatsoever who, or what to “blame”. If perceived blame really exists.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: MLB the show needs a new graphics engine.

Case in point.

By this logic, everyone gets a pass at every profession because we've learned that all of a sudden humans are nuanced and life is hard. The world can't function like that. Everyone has issues in every profession. Acting like game development is this exclusive group of selfless, passionate misunderstood heroes is ridiculous.

My best friend on the planet for decades has been in game development long before it was even close to a viable profession, getting his feet wet with Sierra way back in the day and then breaking through with Team 17. I have a pretty decent perspective. Also, I'm a human being with life experience and an at least an above room temperature IQ, so I can figure out stuff on my own.

I'm not saying Ramone, or anyone on any team isn't an awesome person, and I'm not saying they are lazy in particular. I'm saying it isn't fair for consumers to have to do the mental gymnastics of where to place blame on an underwhelming product. Most consumers buy a product, and if it doesn't meet their expectations they get frustrated and in their mind assume that Company X doesn't do what they would like and next time they buy said product they move on to Company Y. They don't sit around and contemplate each individual who may have worked on the product's life story and wonder how driven or dedicated to their job they are. If you genuinely believe that then you are an absolute gem of a person. Also - look out because, that world view, while commendable and truly awesome, isn't reciprocated and you're in for a harsh does of reality.

I'd also like to remind you to keep that same energy with literally every single profession as to avoid (obvious) hypocrisy, so when the cat gets sick and the vet doesn't quite nail it, make sure to give them grace. When the lawnmower breaks after only it's third use, make sure to 'understand' that the people who assembled it are good people and were under a lot of stress, while you go spend more money to get it repaired. Then when you get the lawnmower back and it fails again, extend that grace to that mechanic/repairman because his boss was being a jerk that day and had him work an extra hour so he missed his kids recital. It goes on and on...

As I’ve gotten older, I try doing the latter as much. I don’t go into Home Depot or Target or whatever store and start yelling at the employee because something I purchased doesn’t work.

Maybe it’s because I work in a client facing environment and I’ve seen people act like real *******s over the littlest thing, so I take that and think “how would I feel if someone just started yelling and attacking my work ethic” when either myself or someone I’m working with are trying hard to do a good job and someone just isn’t happy with something while other clients are very happy.

Criticism is absolutely fine and applauded, but just using the excuse that “someone is lazy” is a lazy form of criticism IMO. It’s better to provide constructive feedback and voicing frustrations without making it personal.