MLB The Show Franchise Mode Can't Handle the Dodgers (And Neither Can the MLB)

[djflock]

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For tips of you unfamiliar with how this works a deferred salary is when a player and team agree to pay a player his salary at a later date. If a player has a $10 million salary and defers 50% to be paid at that 50% over whatever time frame they agree to he's paid the $5 million. There really isn't much benefit for the player unless he's bad with keeping up with his money and wants payments later instead of now.


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I would say there are 2 benefits for the players.

1- Team being better if they agree with the team that the deferred money will be spent to sign other players.

2- We don't know if the contract total has added money due to deferment. Example - player and team agree on a 5yr/50 million dollar deal. But the team says "we will give you 5 yrs at 62 mil if you agree to defer money in the beginning. So in this case the player could still be accounting for the interest and inflation they might lose by not having the funds upfront.

[MiracleMet718]

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The result isn't the same at all. Deferred salaries is an agreed upon amount that the player is willing to be paid later.

Bonilla did not have a deferred salary.


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I know how they work and I agree with you.

I’m just saying it worked the same way since the Mets saved money then, which was their goal. Yes they overpaid him since they had to pay him interest so Bonilla made out big over the full term, but paying a little over a million a year freed up money they needed to sign players at the time. And for someone like Cohen, that’s pennies for him so it’s irrelevant now.

For actual deferred contracts, I still don’t understand why players agree to them other than not wanting to worry about having a good independent investment advisor or not trusting themselves to not spend the money right away. You’d think they’d want to maximize their money by getting it up front and investing on their own.

[Feros Ferio 7]

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I would say there are 2 benefits for the players.



1- Team being better if they agree with the team that the deferred money will be spent to sign other players.



2- We don't know if the contract total has added money due to deferment. Example - player and team agree on a 5yr/50 million dollar deal. But the team says "we will give you 5 yrs at 62 mil if you agree to defer money in the beginning. So in this case the player could still be accounting for the interest and inflation they might lose by not having the funds upfront.

They have to place the money that is deferred into escrow. They don't push a bill out later they have to the funds that year.


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[Feros Ferio 7]

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I know how they work and I agree with you.



I’m just saying it worked the same way since the Mets saved money then, which was their goal. Yes they overpaid him since they had to pay him interest so Bonilla made out big over the full term, but paying a little over a million a year freed up money they needed to sign players at the time. And for someone like Cohen, that’s pennies for him so it’s irrelevant now.



For actual deferred contracts, I still don’t understand why players agree to them other than not wanting to worry about having a good independent investment advisor or not trusting themselves to not spend the money right away. You’d think they’d want to maximize their money by getting it up front and investing on their own.

Right. The Mets mad a bad financial deal but as Empire pointed out made good baseball deals out of the money reallocation.

I don't get it for the players either. There's no interest benefit like it's a loan. And the team can make interest on the money. And save on the CBT.

The big thing here I guess is that Bonilla is getting new money from hi loan he Gane the Mets as opposed to it being a deferred salary like these other players ard getting. There's no benefit to the player but there is to Bonilla because his money wasn't deferred.


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[Ghost Of The Year]

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Right. The Mets mad a bad financial deal but as Empire pointed out made good baseball deals out of the money reallocation.

I don't get it for the players either. There's no interest benefit like it's a loan. And the team can make interest on the money. And save on the CBT.

The big thing here I guess is that Bonilla is getting new money from hi loan he Gane the Mets as opposed to it being a deferred salary like these other players ard getting. There's no benefit to the player but there is to Bonilla because his money wasn't deferred.


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I guess the only real reason a player would agree to it is if they thought it would help get more talent, so that the player might be part of a championship team.

[MiracleMet718]

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I guess the only real reason a player would agree to it is if they thought it would help get more talent, so that the player might be part of a championship team.

Players do not care about that in contract negotiation. I know we’d like to think that, but their main goal is maximizing their value. The only time guys will take a bit of a discount like that and help give more to the team for the roster is usually at the end of their careers where they don’t want to uproot their family and have already made the majority of their career earnings. But guys in their prime getting big deals don’t have retaining talent as a reason why they sign a contract, even if they say that to the media/fans.

[Feros Ferio 7]

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Deferred salary amounts cannot be reallocated to other players salaries. The teams have to put the deferred amount into escrow and keep it there each year until it's paid out.

Taking a deferred salary doesn't increase the teams spending on other players.


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[tessl]

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Speaking of the Dodgers I'm in June 2026 of my mlbts 23 franchise. I'm trying to unload pending free agent Gavin Sheets and the Dodgers accepted an offer of Sheets for 33 year old Mookie Betts even up. I didn't complete the trade because I have a half dozen other pending free agents I'm trying to clear payroll space for but I found that interesting.

[LegendKillerOne]

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Trying to think Outside of Judge and maybe Yamamoto who else took less recently?


Judge 1000% took less but he wanted the Bronx. And Yamamoto could have gone back to the Mets once Dodgers matched but wanted LA

[Feros Ferio 7]

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Trying to think Outside of Judge and maybe Yamamoto who else took less recently?


Judge 1000% took less but he wanted the Bronx. And Yamamoto could have gone back to the Mets once Dodgers matched but wanted LA

How did Aaron Judge take less?

He makes $40 mil per year on a 9 year deal for a total of $360 million.

He currently ranks 4th in AAV, cash this year, luxury tax cost and 5th in total contract cost.


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[MiracleMet718]

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Trying to think Outside of Judge and maybe Yamamoto who else took less recently?


Judge 1000% took less but he wanted the Bronx. And Yamamoto could have gone back to the Mets once Dodgers matched but wanted LA

Yamamoto did not take less lol. He got the same amount and plays in a better situation for his family in Japan.

Judge also didn’t take less. The Giants offered more and the Yankees then finally matched and he signed there. If they didn’t, he’d be in San Francisco right now.

Deferred salary amounts cannot be reallocated to other players salaries. The teams have to put the deferred amount into escrow and keep it there each year until it's paid out.

Taking a deferred salary doesn't increase the teams spending on other players.


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Yes but it allows them to spend more in the current season because the deferred money doesn’t go against their luxury tax number in that season. So the teams save on luxury tax penalties, which in turn saves them money to spend on other players.

[Feros Ferio 7]

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Yamamoto did not take less lol. He got the same amount and plays in a better situation for his family in Japan.

Judge also didn’t take less. The Giants offered more and the Yankees then finally matched and he signed there. If they didn’t, he’d be in San Francisco right now.



Yes but it allows them to spend more in the current season because the deferred money doesn’t go against their luxury tax number in that season. So the teams save on luxury tax penalties, which in turn saves them money to spend on other players.

Under the tax yes. But too many people think they can take the deferred amount and spend that. They can't.


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[LegendKillerOne]

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Yamamoto did not take less lol. He got the same amount and plays in a better situation for his family in Japan.

Judge also didn’t take less. The Giants offered more and the Yankees then finally matched and he signed there. If they didn’t, he’d be in San Francisco right now.



Yes but it allows them to spend more in the current season because the deferred money doesn’t go against their luxury tax number in that season. So the teams save on luxury tax penalties, which in turn saves them money to spend on other players.

He did take less in the sense that the Mets asked his agent if the Dodgers matched to come back to us again and the agent did not do so. Whether that is best for his family or not is his business. But had he come back to the Mets again after they matched the offer would have been higher. If you have someone willing to pay you more that is leaving money on the table.

[LegendKillerOne]

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Yamamoto did not take less lol. He got the same amount and plays in a better situation for his family in Japan.

The Giants offered more and the Yankees then finally matched and he signed there. If they didn’t, he’d be in San Francisco right now.



Yes but it allows them to spend more in the current season because the deferred money doesn’t go against their luxury tax number in that season. So the teams save on luxury tax penalties, which in turn saves them money to spend on other players.

The Giants offered 360 million which the Yankees matched, the Padres offered 400 million which he never considered even though he had the meeting with them. He left money on the table. Players do actually leave money on the table. Not often but it happens.

[LegendKillerOne]

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How did Aaron Judge take less?

He makes $40 mil per year on a 9 year deal for a total of $360 million.

He currently ranks 4th in AAV, cash this year, luxury tax cost and 5th in total contract cost.


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AS mentioned in above reply he had a 400 million dollar offer from the Padres so he took less. If we are trying to find an example of a player leaving say 100 million on the table that does not exist. But players do from time to time leave money on the table.