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  • SonnyWest
    Rookie
    • Apr 2018
    • 217

    #1

    D Rating

    How many agree that a D rating in Baseball should not be used because of how much players change from year to year? Its either C or higher.

    I see so many Rosters with D ratings and the following year (real life) that player makes the show lol


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  • Ghost Of The Year
    Turn Left. Repeat.
    • Mar 2014
    • 6366

    #2
    Re: D Rating

    Originally posted by SonnyWest
    How many agree that a D rating in Baseball should not be used because of how much players change from year to year? Its either C or higher.

    I see so many Rosters with D ratings and the following year (real life) that player makes the show lol


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    You mean rating as in Potential rating?
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    • SonnyWest
      Rookie
      • Apr 2018
      • 217

      #3
      Re: D Rating

      Originally posted by Ghost Of The Year
      You mean rating as in Potential rating?


      Yes. Sorry for the confusion. The D potential. Someone in here, years back, said something along the lines about removing D potentials and leaving them at a Low C instead (70-72). His reasoning was that In baseball you can easily go from a nobody in AA to a MLB utility man in 1 season.


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      • Ghost Of The Year
        Turn Left. Repeat.
        • Mar 2014
        • 6366

        #4
        Re: D Rating

        Originally posted by SonnyWest
        Yes. Sorry for the confusion. The D potential. Someone in here, years back, said something along the lines about removing D potentials and leaving them at a Low C instead (70-72). His reasoning was that In baseball you can easily go from a nobody in AA to a MLB utility man in 1 season.


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        I look at this way, D is still a passing grade. So some D potential players should graduate out of the minors into the majors. And hopefully when/if rosters are ever increased from 90+ to 120+, we will see more F potential players in the Show, players who almost never even get a cup of MLB coffee. Having D potential players keeps utility players in the game, and keeps it from being overflooded with too many all-star caliber players. All-star caliber players who are all-star starters one year, back to the minors the next, back to all-star the third year, back to the minors the fourth year. Having D potential players keeps it to where there are players who rotate back and forth from MLB to MiLB without it being the all-star caliber players who are yo-yoing back and forth from majors to minors. Hope that makes sense.
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        • MiracleMet718
          Pro
          • Apr 2016
          • 2055

          #5
          Re: D Rating

          Isn’t the issue more that they have the wrong guys with a D potential? It’s usually saved for older random FAs that haven’t pitched in awhile and most RPs now anyway. So there cant be too many in that category. The problem before was legit MLB players who weren’t too old had it before it was sure they would pan out. But that’s been fixed the last couple of years.

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          • Cod
            MVP
            • May 2007
            • 2717

            #6
            Re: D Rating

            I've never understood why MLBTS doesn't utilize the 20-80 grading system for showing overall and potential ratings. The letters make little sense to me.

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            • Ghost Of The Year
              Turn Left. Repeat.
              • Mar 2014
              • 6366

              #7
              Re: D Rating

              Originally posted by Cod
              I've never understood why MLBTS doesn't utilize the 20-80 grading system for showing overall and potential ratings. The letters make little sense to me.
              Don't I know it brother:
              A=90-99.
              B=80-89.
              C=70-79.

              So then you naturally think:
              D=60-69.
              F=50-59-

              But no.
              D=50-69.
              F=49 and below.

              Go figure.
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              • MiracleMet718
                Pro
                • Apr 2016
                • 2055

                #8
                Re: D Rating

                Originally posted by Cod
                I've never understood why MLBTS doesn't utilize the 20-80 grading system for showing overall and potential ratings. The letters make little sense to me.
                Because they added it in for the draft a few years ago and people lost their minds and complained that it was too confusing.

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                • kinsmen7
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2016
                  • 1661

                  #9
                  Re: D Rating

                  Originally posted by Cod
                  I've never understood why MLBTS doesn't utilize the 20-80 grading system for showing overall and potential ratings. The letters make little sense to me.
                  My guess is that it confused those folks who just play the game but don't really follow the sport at all.

                  To the OP, regarding D potential, while I agree that it certainly muddies up the waters a bit when it comes to the *few* players that take that next step every year, there also still needs to be a level of separation with progression. When you take into account that roughly 10% of minor leaguers that sign a contract actually play 1 game in the majors, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority should be in that C-D range when it comes to potential.

                  The issue in game is the roster size, and that if you, like me and many others, use a shared roster with the top prospects on each team, without that potential difference, you're going to have a broken roster within 4-5 years of your franchise, because the vast majority of players will be in the 80-90 overall range.

                  What I will say though, is that *if* roster sizes were reasonably larger (ie. 110ish), potential would have a much more positive affect on the game.
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                  • djflock
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2022
                    • 645

                    #10
                    Re: D Rating

                    Originally posted by Cod
                    I've never understood why MLBTS doesn't utilize the 20-80 grading system for showing overall and potential ratings. The letters make little sense to me.
                    They dont need to use the 20-80 system which honestly doesnt make sense irl. Just use 0-100 and have an current and potential rating. Id like to see it for every attribute. This way you could get a 18 yr old prospect who has 20 power but the potential of 80.

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                    • Cod
                      MVP
                      • May 2007
                      • 2717

                      #11
                      Re: D Rating

                      Originally posted by kinsmen7
                      The issue in game is the roster size, and that if you, like me and many others, use a shared roster with the top prospects on each team, without that potential difference, you're going to have a broken roster within 4-5 years of your franchise, because the vast majority of players will be in the 80-90 overall range.
                      This is dead on. The game can't handle re-rates because you end up with a loaded player list where the distribution ends up way above the intended mean (C-grades).

                      Since MLBTS 23, I've found that playing a franchise with the base roster (or only official updates) allows you to go much deeper into franchise without these problems. It sucks you don't have all the prospects, but it allows you play longer.


                      Originally posted by djflock
                      They don't need to use the 20-80 system which honestly doesn't make sense irl. Just use 0-100 and have an current and potential rating. Id like to see it for every attribute. This way you could get a 18 yr old prospect who has 20 power but the potential of 80.
                      In a normal distribution, three standard deviations in either direction should include 99.7% of your sample. So there's no reason for a 0-100 scale.

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                      • Cycloniac
                        Man, myth, legend.
                        • May 2009
                        • 6505

                        #12
                        Re: D Rating

                        Originally posted by Cod
                        This is dead on. The game can't handle re-rates because you end up with a loaded player list where the distribution ends up way above the intended mean (C-grades).

                        Since MLBTS 23, I've found that playing a franchise with the base roster (or only official updates) allows you to go much deeper into franchise without these problems. It sucks you don't have all the prospects, but it allows you play longer.
                        The game can handle re-rates. The issue is when the re-rates are too high.

                        D potentials are useful, and I'd say a lot of custom rosters want to have accurate prospect pools. The problem is that most of those prospects will not pan out. That 18 year old prospect maybe shouldn't have a 90 potential just because he's young and has upside.

                        But it's hard for folks to make those calls because every team has fans, so every player wants to have some prospect who they can hopefully build their squad around in franchise.
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                        • Cod
                          MVP
                          • May 2007
                          • 2717

                          #13
                          Re: D Rating

                          Originally posted by Cycloniac
                          The game can handle re-rates. The issue is when the re-rates are too high.
                          That's why I mentioned the mean ends up too high. The game can only handle re-rates if they're done in a way that keeps the standard deviation similar to the base roster.

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                          • SonnyWest
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 217

                            #14
                            Re: D Rating

                            This all makes sense. So if D ratings matter… then what are the break downs for the rating vs League that is best used for Franchise?
                            MLB 70+
                            AAA 64-70
                            AA 60-64
                            A 60- 40
                            (I know some players will cross over this dynamic based on their potential. Its a rough estimate but its hard to understand what the Show does with their roster. They release the game with a player at 52 overall and a D rating. Then they bump him to 72 B after a good month lol this doesn’t work out in Franchise. So a C rated prospect at 18 years old… whats a good rating for him to develop properly into the MLB level by time he is 22-23 years old?


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                            • Cycloniac
                              Man, myth, legend.
                              • May 2009
                              • 6505

                              #15
                              Re: D Rating

                              Originally posted by SonnyWest
                              This all makes sense. So if D ratings matter… then what are the break downs for the rating vs League that is best used for Franchise?
                              MLB 70+
                              AAA 64-70
                              AA 60-64
                              A 60- 40
                              (I know some players will cross over this dynamic based on their potential. Its a rough estimate but its hard to understand what the Show does with their roster. They release the game with a player at 52 overall and a D rating. Then they bump him to 72 B after a good month lol this doesn’t work out in Franchise. So a C rated prospect at 18 years old… whats a good rating for him to develop properly into the MLB level by time he is 22-23 years old?


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                              Players can grow 3-5 OVR a year, so maybe:

                              18: 60 (A ball level)
                              19: 63 (AA)
                              20: 66 (AAA, fringe MLB)
                              21: 69 (AAA, MLB bench)
                              22: 72 (MLB low-end starter)
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