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  • CBoller1331
    It Appears I Blue Myself
    • Dec 2013
    • 3082

    #16
    Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

    Quoting myself from the other thread as it's related to this discussion:

    Originally posted by CBoller1331
    Dylan Cease was demanding 38M per year in one screen shot, so I don't think 30 will be a cap by any means.

    I'm sure there will still be some wonkiness, but I think people are making a little too much out of the Vladdy and Tucker figures that were in the video. Maybe they didn't quite kill it in their walk years, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen someone's market crater. I think it's a little silly to say that these guys wouldn't accept anything near those contracts a year away from free agency - a lot can happen to change the perception of a player in 1 season.

    Also, I know the Soto and Ohtani contracts have seemed to reset contract demands going forward, but those guys were very unique free agents so I'm a little skeptical that $40M AAV or $400M total value is suddenly attainable for every big name close to free agency. There are 5 players with an AAV over $40M (Ohtani, Soto, Judge and 2 more on short term deals - Bregman and Wheeler), and only 3 $400M contracts (Ohtani, Soto, Trout). If Vladdy hit the open market today he probably would be there, but alot can happen in a season to change that.

    All that to say, I'm optimistic this will be an improvement on the current Free Agency, how much remains to be seen.
    I tend to agree with JW that the Vladdy and Tucker valuations are not that far off, probably a little low but not crazy. I don't think it's worth getting worked up about until we see more tomorrow
    Last edited by CBoller1331; 02-26-2025, 05:50 PM.
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    • speels
      Pro
      • Feb 2004
      • 781

      #17
      Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

      Originally posted by CBoller1331
      Quotinf myself from the other thread as it's related to this discussion:



      I tend to agree with JW that the Vladdy and Tucker valuations are not that far off, probably a little low but not crazy. I don't think it's worth getting worked up about until we see more tomorrow
      To me it's not so much the value per year as the number of years. I do see Vladdy getting over $400M, but I think that will be a 12-14 yr term. ($33.33M per year @ 12 yrs) Him asking for only 7yrs in the game is what concerns me more, again especially with the regression in the game.

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      • Mauer4MVP
        MVP
        • Mar 2010
        • 2407

        #18
        Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

        A Start Today feature is still at the top of my wishlist. Even if it was limited to monthly.

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        • 0blong00
          Rookie
          • Apr 2021
          • 199

          #19
          Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

          Regarding Vladdy, it amuses me that in this thread he’s being called a defensive liability but in another thread he was being called a gold glove caliber first baseman. I genuinely have no idea what his fielding skills are like but just thought that was funny.

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          • CBoller1331
            It Appears I Blue Myself
            • Dec 2013
            • 3082

            #20
            Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

            Originally posted by 0blong00
            Regarding Vladdy, it amuses me that in this thread he’s being called a defensive liability but in another thread he was being called a gold glove caliber first baseman. I genuinely have no idea what his fielding skills are like but just thought that was funny.
            I think they are both valid lol - he did win a Gold Glove Award a couple years ago, but that award always has a few question marks. The defensive metrics generally have not shown him much love. Although he did have a positive DRS in '22 and '23
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            • tessl
              All Star
              • Apr 2007
              • 5685

              #21
              Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

              Originally posted by eric7064
              Alonso is not Vladdy, Soto or Harper though? They aren't the same tier of player. Age does matter. Alonso has been progressively been putting up worse numbers for the last 3 years. He's not by any means bad, but the #'s are there.

              Vlad and Tucker will both easily eclipse 400m dollars next year. Who knows the final years and dollar amount, but 30+ year olds aren't getting those deals. Age 100% matters for these mega deals that guys are getting. Now in this new age of massive deferrals, who knows what the future may be.

              Verlander and Scherzer have been living on one year deals. That would be fine to implement in the show if they fix regression and they both aren't 60 overalls by the end of the season. I would love to go after veterans like that in the show, maybe even have legendary vets give a team a small passive boost, but why would I ever sign them when they regress so fast?
              Aside from the "tax" for exceeding the payroll cap which the Dodgers proved can be manipulated there are essentially no limits regarding free agency. I don't know how they program something like that. I prefer the Show's free agency and contract system to the chaos of MLB and with half of the league having a shaky TV contract it only adds to the mess. The Cardinals appear to be unable to sign a player this season.

              If the developers replicated MLB accurately there would be no chance for the teams that had Fox Regional and Bally's to sign a new player or retain a current player. That's not so bad if the game replicated the actual MLB draft and international signings but it doesn't. International signings are rolled into the draft which is only 6 or 7 rounds. Instead of 20 MLB picks plus however many international players you can sign with the international money you get 6 or 7.

              Take a look at the 2024 international signings.

              Baseball America's 2024 MLB international signings tracker has agreements for prospects with all 30 teams as the signing period opens.


              Atlanta signed 11 international. 20 draft picks + 11 = 31. That's the smallest number. Boston signed 38 international. 20 + 38 = 58. In the game you get 6 or 7.

              No way can they replicate MLB free agency unless and until the also replicate the MLB draft and international signings unless they significantly increase the quality of players in very limited draft. The teams with a shaky TV deal which is half of MLB would be a dysfunctional mess with no ability to sign a free agent, retain a player or load up on prospects every year.

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              • Ghost Of The Year
                T Bone
                • Mar 2014
                • 6398

                #22
                Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                Originally posted by CBoller1331
                I think they are both valid lol - he did win a Gold Glove Award a couple years ago, but that award always has a few question marks. The defensive metrics generally have not shown him much love. Although he did have a positive DRS in '22 and '23
                Yeah, I haven't put any stock in gold gloves since Rafael Palmeiro won one for playing DH.
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                • Funkycorm
                  Cleveland Baseball Guru
                  • Nov 2016
                  • 3159

                  #23
                  Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                  Originally posted by tessl
                  Aside from the "tax" for exceeding the payroll cap which the Dodgers proved can be manipulated there are essentially no limits regarding free agency. I don't know how they program something like that. I prefer the Show's free agency and contract system to the chaos of MLB and with half of the league having a shaky TV contract it only adds to the mess. The Cardinals appear to be unable to sign a player this season.

                  If the developers replicated MLB accurately there would be no chance for the teams that had Fox Regional and Bally's to sign a new player or retain a current player. That's not so bad if the game replicated the actual MLB draft and international signings but it doesn't. International signings are rolled into the draft which is only 6 or 7 rounds. Instead of 20 MLB picks plus however many international players you can sign with the international money you get 6 or 7.

                  Take a look at the 2024 international signings.

                  Baseball America's 2024 MLB international signings tracker has agreements for prospects with all 30 teams as the signing period opens.


                  Atlanta signed 11 international. 20 draft picks + 11 = 31. That's the smallest number. Boston signed 38 international. 20 + 38 = 58. In the game you get 6 or 7.

                  No way can they replicate MLB free agency unless and until the also replicate the MLB draft and international signings unless they significantly increase the quality of players in very limited draft. The teams with a shaky TV deal which is half of MLB would be a dysfunctional mess with no ability to sign a free agent, retain a player or load up on prospects every year.
                  In order to increase the amount of players in the draft and the number of rounds, the roster size needs to be increased at the same time.
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                  • tessl
                    All Star
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5685

                    #24
                    Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                    Originally posted by Funkycorm
                    In order to increase the amount of players in the draft and the number of rounds, the roster size needs to be increased at the same time.
                    I agree it would take a lot of work but people are complaining about unrealistic contracts and I'm explaining it.

                    In order to have realistic contracts you would need realistic TV revenue and realistic payrolls. If you do that then half the league couldn't afford to sign free agents or retain their own players. The only way to make that work would be to have a realistic draft and international signings.

                    They would have to put that entire package together in order to get realistic contracts. I prefer the current contracts to "realistic" contracts without a realistic draft and international signings.

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                    • djflock
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2022
                      • 645

                      #25
                      Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                      Originally posted by tessl
                      I agree it would take a lot of work but people are complaining about unrealistic contracts and I'm explaining it.

                      In order to have realistic contracts you would need realistic TV revenue and realistic payrolls. If you do that then half the league couldn't afford to sign free agents or retain their own players. The only way to make that work would be to have a realistic draft and international signings.

                      They would have to put that entire package together in order to get realistic contracts. I prefer the current contracts to "realistic" contracts without a realistic draft and international signings.
                      None of these things are relevant to Vladdy getting a “realistic” contract in game. His demand was in the 209 mil range when in IRL he will get no less than 300 mil.


                      They dont need RSN’s. Its a video game. Have the budgets calculate how much it is to resign their own players and then give them an additional allotment to sign free agents. I usually play with budgets off anywyas but that still doesnt solve for Vladdy demanding a contract of 209mil.

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                      • DonkeyJote
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 9194

                        #26
                        Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                        Originally posted by DrPhibes
                        Pic in the OP:
                        - 26 years old
                        - 95 overall
                        - asking for 7 year contract for $29,000,000

                        Completely tone deaf for them to tout at new contract logic that is reflective of 2025 FA standards, yet that is the kind of contract a FA would sign for in 2019.
                        This game continues to be half a decade behind.
                        Also, 1B. $29 million per year would be the biggest AAV for a 1B ever. Pete Alonso only got $27 million on a shorter deal. It's not like a 7 year, $200 million contract is totally unreasonable for a 1B.

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                        • MiracleMet718
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                          • Apr 2016
                          • 2095

                          #27
                          Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                          Also, 1B. $29 million per year would be the biggest AAV for a 1B ever. Pete Alonso only got $27 million on a shorter deal. It's not like a 7 year, $200 million contract is totally unreasonable for a 1B.

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                          It’s like people don’t pay attention to the position. Before Alonso signed his short term deal, Freeman and Olson got paid long term deals in 2022. Freeman got 6/162 (27m per) and Olson got 8/168 (21m per). Vladdy getting 10/300 or 9/270 is not out of the possibility because he’s a 1B and that would still be the highest contract ever given to 1B.

                          He might get more, but that would a unique outlier compared to the rest of the deals. As mentioned they aren’t going to get those outliers right, but as long as most of the contracts outside of that 1 or 2 every 3-5 years, then that’s pretty accurate.

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                          • jkra0512
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                            • Sep 2006
                            • 2277

                            #28
                            Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                            Originally posted by LegendKillerOne
                            Hate to assume but they said more realistic contracts. Can we assume that Ohtani and Soto have their 700 million plus deals and that other players can get big deals like that. Really kills the off-season when a player who could get 600 million signs for 300
                            Can we defer money to the end of time, like for Ohtani (and Bobby Bonilla)? I jest, but hey, it's happening IRL

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                            • LegendKillerOne
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                              • Jan 2019
                              • 1764

                              #29
                              Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                              Originally posted by MiracleMet718
                              Waiting for people to assume they now have opt-outs, hype themselves up, then get angry at the game for not having them even though SDS never said they did.

                              You would think by now they would. Such a huge part of contracts now
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                              • MiracleMet718
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                                • Apr 2016
                                • 2095

                                #30
                                Re: Everything New in MLB The Show 25 Franchise Mode

                                Originally posted by LegendKillerOne
                                You would think by now they would. Such a huge part of contracts now
                                They had so many other things to work on that opt outs were the least of the issues. Club/Player options suffice for now. Plus it’d be annoying to try to figure that out as part of a contract and would make it a bit too complex for most to manage contracts with multiple opt outs and the rules where certain players get paid still if they opt out.

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