We need a new injury system

[TuffJuff]

I know most casual players would hate this, but for us sim guys I think it’s time for an updated injury systems.

Baseball injuries are so much different than other sports injuries and MLB the show does not even come close to accurately reflecting that. Heck this game doesn’t even have Tommy John surgery unless you go in and manually give someone elbow surgery and even then that doesn’t give you the accurate 12-14 month recovery. In real life pitchers go on the 60 day IL with lat strains. If I remember right this game has a lat strain as a day to day type injury. Elbow inflammation and hamstring strains are also a day to day thing on The Show.

We need Tommy John, we need accurate recovery timelines, rehab assignments in the minors, injury set backs while rehabbing, be able to back date IL placement, etc.

How about when a defensive player is too hurt to play the field, but can still DH like Ohtani last year. If I pitcher has a history of elbow or shoulder injuries that should effect his pitching attributes. Injuries should provide wear and tear over time. And we definitely shouldn’t have limited IL spots like we currently do

Thoughts?

[KnightTemplar]

Re: We need a new injury system

Sounds like a ton of detailed programming.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: We need a new injury system

If they could use a cleaned up version of the 2k system, that would be ideal. Would take years to implement though since it’s not easy.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: We need a new injury system

I really like the manual injury function myself. If a pitcher needs TJS and comes back too soon, I can always add more time to his injury.

[Jeffrey Smith]

Re: We need a new injury system

Sounds like a ton of detailed programming.

Probably would be but I agree with the OP that it would be nice. Especially on the pitching side of things.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: We need a new injury system

One more thing I’d add is that expanding the roster size needs to happen first, otherwise pitching injuries would be a disaster. There simply aren’t enough pitchers in your roster to be able tho fill the spots needed for the amount of pitcher injuries that happen in baseball today.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: We need a new injury system

One more thing I’d add is that expanding the roster size needs to happen first, otherwise pitching injuries would be a disaster. There simply aren’t enough pitchers in your roster to be able tho fill the spots needed for the amount of pitcher injuries that happen in baseball today.

Yeah, when they increased the roster size from 90 to 93, those were basically just an increase in everyday position players. We were already capped at 45 pitchers with 90 roster spots and we remain capped at 45 with 93 roster spots. Although you only technically need 30 pitchers healthy, you could have 15 injured pitchers, but I believe we are capped at something like 7 injured players per team IIRC.

EDIT - Apparently you can injure a lot more than seven players at a time. I always thought it was capped at seven. Learn something new everyday.

[DudeManE]

Re: We need a new injury system

Definitely agree with everything said on this. I’ll add:

I’ve given up relying the logic for injuries. Players only get injured in games. It doesn’t come in between. Too many times the SP goes out in the first inning (creating an impromptu bullpen game). Never does the SP go out before his start (which is how it happens the vast majority of the time IRL). And if a franchise has a certain amount of injuries (and it’s not very many) the rest of the team becomes immortal (can’t be injured) until a slot opens.

At least they give some control if you want it. Manual injuries.

But even that’s unnecessarily cumbersome. Just let us pick the exact numbers of days. Why the ridiculous gaps. Nothing between 13 days and 35 days. Then another one between 70 and 120 (I think). There issome variance there getting into those gaps but is it manual injuries or not???

Those are the problems with manual. The stupid gaps and the roster size issue. I wind up sending good players to a-ball and dropping them from the 40man just to save the il slot.

I think roster sizing would require coding (which was devoted to contracts—which I have no interest in).

But how hard can it be to rework the injury days? I suppose it was done originally on purpose. They like it that way????


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[ninertravel]

Re: We need a new injury system

Yep I agree I mean having injuries like broken nose or broken fingernail

Or a “head fracture” is just ridiculous

Not to mention bp guys never get injured ever in the game

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: We need a new injury system

At least they give some control if you want it. Manual injuries.

But even that’s unnecessarily cumbersome. Just let us pick the exact numbers of days. Why the ridiculous gaps. Nothing between 13 days and 35 days. Then another one between 70 and 120 (I think). There issome variance there getting into those gaps but is it manual injuries or not???

Those are the problems with manual. The stupid gaps and the roster size issue. I wind up sending good players to a-ball and dropping them from the 40man just to save the il slot.

I think roster sizing would require coding (which was devoted to contracts—which I have no interest in).

But how hard can it be to rework the injury days? I suppose it was done originally on purpose. They like it that way????

I think Sony went the ''set it and forget it'' route all those years ago. If I want to put a guy out 6 months with a stomach ache, I'd like to be able to do that once instead of reupping every few days because you can't set it as high as you want in one shot.

I hope we get a salad injury option this year because of Dustin Mays, lol.

[TuffJuff]

Re: We need a new injury system

Definitely agree with everything said on this. I’ll add:

I’ve given up relying the logic for injuries. Players only get injured in games. It doesn’t come in between. Too many times the SP goes out in the first inning (creating an impromptu bullpen game). Never does the SP go out before his start (which is how it happens the vast majority of the time IRL). And if a franchise has a certain amount of injuries (and it’s not very many) the rest of the team becomes immortal (can’t be injured) until a slot opens.

At least they give some control if you want it. Manual injuries.

But even that’s unnecessarily cumbersome. Just let us pick the exact numbers of days. Why the ridiculous gaps. Nothing between 13 days and 35 days. Then another one between 70 and 120 (I think). There issome variance there getting into those gaps but is it manual injuries or not???

Those are the problems with manual. The stupid gaps and the roster size issue. I wind up sending good players to a-ball and dropping them from the 40man just to save the il slot.

I think roster sizing would require coding (which was devoted to contracts—which I have no interest in).

But how hard can it be to rework the injury days? I suppose it was done originally on purpose. They like it that way????


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I go in and do manual injuries at the start of the year to mimic all real life opening day injuries. Then 15 days into the season I am hit with dozens and dozens of people coming off the 15 day IL all at the same time. Have to go through and do the lengthy manual injury process all over again for the players who should be out anywhere between 16-59 days.

[0blong00]

Re: We need a new injury system

Because I don’t think there enough pitcher injuries, I’ve gone in and for every time there is a fielder injury randomly assigned a pitcher an injury of a similar length.

[kinsmen7]

Re: We need a new injury system

I'm going to continue to beat a dead horse here and say that half the reason that we can't come anywhere close to "realistic" injuries, or the number of them, is that the roster sizes are simply too small.

Imagine having to use 17 (!!!) different starters like the Dodgers last year? I think the most I've ever had to use (excluding trades) is 8, and two of those were because of production.

[MetsFan16]

Re: We need a new injury system

I did injuries off for many years, but I found no need to have any depth beyond 26-man MLB roster and prospects wouldn't get a "cup of coffee" throughout a season.

I also don't like having to micro-manage minor leagues throughout the year.

My solution, I created a random generator wheel. Only affects MLB roster.
Every day of my franchise I spin in. It tells me Team, Position, Injury Type and Severity.

I then go in game and manually injury the player. No re-dos and no skipping. I lost my RTTS player to a season ending injury in July, that sucked but felt good in a way.

I'll track the results and see what teams really got bit by injury bug and what team had relatively good injury luck.

One change I would like to see is injuries carry-over throughout an offseason. Currently, if you have max injury (254 days) during last week of regular season, come Spring Training the player is no longer injured. It should carry the full 254 days which would be early next season.
I also believe set-backs should be a thing. But with my random wheel I've had players get hurt and then 2 weeks later get another injury and miss more time, that was kind of a set-back in a way.

I personally don't mind the lack of depth in the game because I just like playing the games and letting randomness determine a team's season. I wouldn't enjoy having to send a player on rehab and manage that day-to-day.

In regards to your point about Ohtani, he's so unique that most players would simply not pitch/hit. No need to write such a specific code that only affects 1 player's injury situation.

[kinsmen7]

Re: We need a new injury system

In regards to your point about Ohtani, he's so unique that most players would simply not pitch/hit. No need to write such a specific code that only affects 1 player's injury situation.

In fairness to the Ohtani situation (and it really doesn't matter that much to me overall, but still), they wrote a specific code a few years ago because of Pat Venditte's ability as an ambidextrous pitcher...