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  • marcusmoore12
    Rookie
    • Dec 2010
    • 86

    #31
    Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

    Originally posted by c4confused
    The problem with Cano possibly going diamond is that SCEA would have to either increase his fielding to what it was before they dropped it or raise his contact/power vs lefties which he isn't hitting well enough to justify doing so (.227 with 4 HRs). It wouldn't surprise me to see him go diamond, but it also wouldn't surprise me if he stays at a high gold for the time being.
    His Clutch and Vision could be upgraded to make him a diamond

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    • ObviouslyConnor
      Rookie
      • Aug 2014
      • 43

      #32
      Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

      Blue Jay fan here, but what about Edwin?! Dude has been on an absolute tear the last 6 games

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      • beardedaussie
        Rookie
        • Feb 2016
        • 379

        #33
        Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

        Salazar could do with a bump. Been 85 all year but it's pretty obvious he's been pitching well enough this year to deserve a boost. Other Indians deserving of a boost are Tomlin, Otero , Jose Ramirez and Naquin. They're plsying above what they're stats are, shouldn't be drastic upgrades but enough to at least make them usable.


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        • srdclark
          Rookie
          • Apr 2016
          • 102

          #34
          Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

          Originally posted by ObviouslyConnor
          Blue Jay fan here, but what about Edwin?! Dude has been on an absolute tear the last 6 games
          His stats to start the season were based on his numbers last year. After such a slow start (he didn't hit his traditional May hot streak until June) his performance in the last week (.458 with 6 HR!) is going a long way to justify not having dropped his stats already this season.

          Even setting that aside, the devs aren't quick to react to streaks, especially with power hitters (who are notoriously streaky). If Edwin can keep it up, hitting above his expected level over a larger sample size, we could eventually see a boost. Ortiz is a good comp, and I could see them boosting Edwin to match if this hot hot heat continues!

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          • OmarV02
            Rookie
            • Dec 2013
            • 25

            #35
            Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

            Originally posted by PSimp21
            Doubtful Cano goes to Diamond, as stated above, based on the defense.

            Stanton is deserving of a downgrade, but we will see if it happens.

            Trumbo deserves a hitting upgrade.

            Frazier deserves a hitting upgrade.

            Whats wrong with his defense? he has 1 error this season ,6 last year , 9 the year before last. Dee gordon had 6 last year , 12 the year before last, 2 this year and gordons defense is way higher than cano... doesn't make sense

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            • ALLMAN93
              Rookie
              • Feb 2014
              • 296

              #36
              Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

              Originally posted by OmarV02
              Whats wrong with his defense? he has 1 error this season ,6 last year , 9 the year before last. Dee gordon had 6 last year , 12 the year before last, 2 this year and gordons defense is way higher than cano... doesn't make sense
              Exactly. Cano is known for his bat forsure, but he's a great fielder too. Not sure why there's so much hate towards his glove on here.

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              • srdclark
                Rookie
                • Apr 2016
                • 102

                #37
                Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                Originally posted by OmarV02
                Whats wrong with his defense? he has 1 error this season ,6 last year , 9 the year before last. Dee gordon had 6 last year , 12 the year before last, 2 this year and gordons defense is way higher than cano... doesn't make sense
                Errors made is only one aspect of defence. If you compare two CF, neither of whom makes an error all season, but one of them has a cannon for an arm and records 10 outfield assists, while the other records none, would you rate them the same? If one of them is crazy fast and is running down balls in left and centre *cough Pillar cough* while the other is a fireplug who can't patrol his own area, would you rate them the same?

                In the olden days of the 20th century, we relied on outfield assists plus observation to compare defensive play from the outfield. Today, Statcast can tell you how quickly the fielder takes his first step; how efficient their route to the ball is; how frequently the fielder makes plays outside of his assigned zone of coverage. I'd argue that a player with fast reactions, great speed and the willingness to sacrifice his body for the ball is liable to make more errors, not less, simply because they are reaching balls that the lesser player wouldn't get to.

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                • srdclark
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2016
                  • 102

                  #38
                  Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                  Originally posted by ALLMAN93
                  Exactly. Cano is known for his bat forsure, but he's a great fielder too. Not sure why there's so much hate towards his glove on here.
                  Since I don't know Cano as a defensive player, I went and looked it up. According to FanGraphs, Cano has a defensive rating of 0.2, where 0.0 would be the average. Last year, he ranked a -6.3. Dee Gordon won the Gold Glove with a rating of +8.6. You can argue that Cano and Gordon were polar opposites in terms of defensive second basemen (plus only one of them got suspended for PEDs).

                  It's shocking that Cano's defensive ratings started the year as high as they did, given last year's performance. His offensive ratings against lefties seem high relative to reality, and his defensive ratings seem high for an average-by-definition defender. It'd be tough to justify boosting him to diamond by making digital Cano an elite defender; and, really, shouldn't diamond players be those that are elite on both sides of the play? "Weak against lefties, average defender" doesn't scream diamond to me.

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                  • ALLMAN93
                    Rookie
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 296

                    #39
                    Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                    Originally posted by srdclark
                    Since I don't know Cano as a defensive player, I went and looked it up. According to FanGraphs, Cano has a defensive rating of 0.2, where 0.0 would be the average. Last year, he ranked a -6.3. Dee Gordon won the Gold Glove with a rating of +8.6. You can argue that Cano and Gordon were polar opposites in terms of defensive second basemen (plus only one of them got suspended for PEDs).

                    It's shocking that Cano's defensive ratings started the year as high as they did, given last year's performance. His offensive ratings against lefties seem high relative to reality, and his defensive ratings seem high for an average-by-definition defender. It'd be tough to justify boosting him to diamond by making digital Cano an elite defender; and, really, shouldn't diamond players be those that are elite on both sides of the play? "Weak against lefties, average defender" doesn't scream diamond to me.
                    Fair enough. I haven't gone into that much detail to see the in depth stats to his fielding. So I'll give you that. However, as far diamonds being reserved for players who are good on both sides of the plate, I think that's kind of irrelevant. Whether it be a player like Ozzie Smith who's obviously amazing on defense but has well below average hitting stats or a player like Fielder who has all the hitting in the world yet is a defensive liability. I don't think they look at it as diamond gold silver etc. I think they plug in stats that they think best reflects their real life counterpart and sees what comes out on the other end.

                    So now that this week's boosts have been released and Stanton was yet again not dropped, can anyone explain what exactly he's doing to keep diamond status?

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                    • BigOscar
                      MVP
                      • May 2016
                      • 2971

                      #40
                      Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                      Originally posted by ALLMAN93
                      Fair enough. I haven't gone into that much detail to see the in depth stats to his fielding. So I'll give you that. However, as far diamonds being reserved for players who are good on both sides of the plate, I think that's kind of irrelevant. Whether it be a player like Ozzie Smith who's obviously amazing on defense but has well below average hitting stats or a player like Fielder who has all the hitting in the world yet is a defensive liability. I don't think they look at it as diamond gold silver etc. I think they plug in stats that they think best reflects their real life counterpart and sees what comes out on the other end.

                      So now that this week's boosts have been released and Stanton was yet again not dropped, can anyone explain what exactly he's doing to keep diamond status?
                      That's all about position though. A players overall rating is just the outcome of a formula for their stats based on their position. For a first basemen the fielding attributes don't have much weight in the formula for overall rating, for a middle infielder they are hugely important. Going diamond for a middle infielder requires you to be a good, if not great fielder, going diamond in CF requires speed, going diamond at 1B requires hitting ratings far higher than any other position.

                      Stanton has naked pics of the developers, so will stay diamond forever.

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                      • mikeq672
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 1761

                        #41
                        Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                        Originally posted by OmarV02
                        Whats wrong with his defense? he has 1 error this season ,6 last year , 9 the year before last. Dee gordon had 6 last year , 12 the year before last, 2 this year and gordons defense is way higher than cano... doesn't make sense
                        Errors are a terrible indicator for defensive performance, its not the 1920's anymore.

                        His fielding was always fairly overrated, but its regressed even more. Yes he hardly makes errors and looks very smooth, but his range has declined and his UZR is pretty terrible.

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                        • cardinalbird5
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 2814

                          #42
                          Re: Ratings Boost Predictions (6/17/16)

                          Originally posted by ALLMAN93
                          Exactly. Cano is known for his bat forsure, but he's a great fielder too. Not sure why there's so much hate towards his glove on here.


                          Noone is hating. He just did not deserve to be a top 3 defensive 2b in this game out of all the legends and flashbacks. 77 defense is still really good. Plus errors dont mean much nor do gold gloves. Pujols won gold gloves based off his reputation alone.


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