Pepe Spits in the Face of Players Who Don't Wanna be Cool

[Starducket Moon]

(I was about to press send posting this into the Pepe Alazar Saga thread, but thought this might be better off on it's own as not to derail that conversation.)

The Pepe Alazar card really annoyed me far more than it should have. Not because it is a diamond or all 99s. But because it made a mockery of me collecting these cards. If it was named "Roy Hobbs" and was jacked up like that I would have thought it sort of clever and a nod to a great baseball movie. Pepe though? It is so silly it just reminded me of the fact that these cards have absolutely ZERO value and not to take any of it seriously. That shouldn't happen. Everyone working up to having all diamonds isn't the problem. It's everyone having all the same diamonds that is. Like everybody having ARod at SS last year. They have somewhere about 60 legends now. Next year double or even triple it. Just give us a lot of variety to shoot for. Try to get every player that has a number retired on a team. Every player who has been elected to the HoF. Every hometown hero type guy. Like Andy Van Slyke. Great glove, good contact guy. Who cares if he's a gold or diamond? Can he hit Robin Roberts? Ron Santo from the Cubs vs Steve Rogers of the Expos. Richie Ashburn from the Phillies vs Cardinals Dizzy Dean. Cobb, Henderson, Ruth vs Gooden, Maddux, Clemens. I don't know how expensive it is to sign a legend, but maybe some players or families would do it for free? Then you don't have to create Pepes or whatevers.

Set up missions like so:
Mets

Collect Team: Prime David Wright
Beat Team 25 times: Tom Seaver
25 Wins with Mets pitchers: Jerry Koosman
25 saves: John Franco
200 strikeouts: Dwight Gooden
300 Hits: Gary Carter
100 HR: Darryl Strawberry
25 stolen bases: Mookie Wilson
25 doubles: Edgardo Alfonzo
10 triples: Prime Jose Reyes
Complete Mets Challenge board: Mike Piazza

So that's 10 challenges for 10 unique cards for one team. Adding the 29 other teams that makes 300 legend/Prime FB cards and will give us plenty of variety and value using our entire collection to complete. While they have given us a lot of old Topps cards to collect, and I am enjoying doing so, I think it's important to make them not only worth collecting but also fun to use.

[SigmundFraud]

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This game is going to be really bland in a couple months when people start completing more of the dynasty program. Everyone with have 99 Griffey, 99 Vida Blue, 99 Ripken, 99 Feller, and 99 Cabrera.

I have no issue with them giving out good rewards just for playing the game. I'm just not sure how I feel about the rewards being cards that are the best player on the game at their respective position. When the game first released you'd see tons of variety, it was much more fun to play online back then. Now basically everyone that's any good has a team pulled from a pool of about 60 players. There are certain positions that are so weak that nearly everyone just uses the same player there.

I understand all the stuff about not being able to just put any legend you want in the game. But something should be done to inspire people to use different cards. Something that would help a lot would be making starting pitchers who don't throw 95+ useful online.

Events are a nice start, but even those can get bland sometimes. Maybe next year we'll see a salary cap type mode similar to 2k and madden.


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[mikeq672]

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I agree with both of you guys. To be honest, Ive been getting pretty bored with the mode/game this year. Everyones teams are the same, the hitting is still a complete mess, it just discourages me a lot from playing. I try and go play rtts and im squaring up balls and they arent going anywhere, but then I cant see what they claimed to be wrong with my swing because the feedback is all messed up.

I dunno, I love baseball but this game just isnt doing it for me lately. They completely botch the launch year after year, and by launch I mean first two months of the game. Im still having freezing issues and getting Losses for them. They add fake made up players as the ultimate collection piece. Good timing gets a pulled foul ball while being late gives you the best chances at a hit. Theres zero variety in teams. I just find myself wanting to play this less and less in my free time.

[stgunn]

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(I was about to press send posting this into the Pepe Alazar Saga thread, but thought this might be better off on it's own as not to derail that conversation.)

The Pepe Alazar card really annoyed me far more than it should have. Not because it is a diamond or all 99s. But because it made a mockery of me collecting these cards. If it was named "Roy Hobbs" and was jacked up like that I would have thought it sort of clever and a nod to a great baseball movie. Pepe though?....... They have somewhere about 60 legends now. Next year double or even triple it. Just give us a lot of variety to shoot for. Try to get every player that has a number retired on a team. Every player who has been elected to the HoF. Every hometown hero type guy. ..... I don't know how expensive it is to sign a legend, but maybe some players or families would do it for free? Then you don't have to create Pepes or whatevers.

You clearly have no idea how America works. First off no one is doing anything for free. Why? Cuz Capitalism. Also you need to pay the employees for the time it takes to make all these extra players.

Secondly, every HOFer and guy with his number retired? The NYY alone have 22 numbers retired. Furthermore, a lot of teams DO have most of those guys. The orioles for example are missing only Frank Robinson (and Earl Weaver but I'm not counting that for this sake). On top of that theres 220 HOFers. Now you just opened a whole different can of worms. What about Negro League players now? Only 35 of them and lord knows there were plenty more who were just as good.

Lastly time. I invite you to devote your time and resources to making additional players. The game was sick 2 years ago when all they had was 1 flashback per team. Its sick now. Have we really gotten to a point where we are complaining that the seemingly endless stream of flashbacks/legends isnt enough simply because ppl disagree with who they are?

[stgunn]

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Also the rights to Roy Hobbs or any other movie likeness are probably more expensive than a players rights but thats just a flat out guess.

[yelch]

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They should do cross-promotional stuff, like a 99 diamond Spiderman or Resident Evil flashback cards.
Or just do a Smurfs team, there's about 100 of those.

[SigmundFraud]

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They should do cross-promotional stuff, like a 99 diamond Spiderman or Resident Evil flashback cards.
Or just do a Smurfs team, there's about 100 of those.

I actually had a dream the other day where people had Spongebob characters on their teams.

[ph33]

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Right, the problem is they don't have the $$$ to pay all the legends. That's why you see so many repeats over and over and over again. These cards aren't new. They just changed the attributes on it. The same Dawson card was a 95 a year or two ago.

I agree that every lineup ends up being the same, makes it boring. And I don't blame people for that. I didn't bother playing ranked games until this week cause I wanted to just stack the deck before jumping in, knowing many others did the same.

The way they've encouraged people to trot out different lineups is with the rookie/breakout/etc. missions. None of which I have any incentive to complete, as it only gives 1% towards the dynasty program. And the players it'd force me to use would make it harder to win ranked games, and the point of those games to me is to just win. It doesn't benefit me that much to try and get 7 strikeouts with a rookie pitcher against a team full of diamonds.

[mikeq672]

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I actually had a dream the other day where people had Spongebob characters on their teams.

The way theyre going, this wouldnt surprise me as some kind of cross promotional thing for big movie releases or something like that.

[angryandrew11]

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Yeah this to me was the biggest issue with this year's game and the biggest thing they need for next year. I'm loving the game this year with the epics and programs and I've even gotten into the online play this year. If they don't change a thing with that for next year I'd be happy but I just want to see more legends.

Baseball is unique even over Madden or like 2K because there's so much more history and so many people care about the old players. I mean they could double their roster of current legends and still be just scratching the surface.

And for the guy saying they're not free, yeah, no s***, but it's not like these guys are charging a million bucks for their rights. It's Sony, they've got enough money to have a much deeper roster of legends. And it's not like adding them into the game is that much work, they get the images from Topps so there's no design work involved. People already make ratings for legend players for classic rosters for free, so it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of work there either.

[Starducket Moon]

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You clearly have no idea how America works. First off no one is doing anything for free. Why? Cuz Capitalism. Also you need to pay the employees for the time it takes to make all these extra players.

Secondly, every HOFer and guy with his number retired? The NYY alone have 22 numbers retired. Furthermore, a lot of teams DO have most of those guys. The orioles for example are missing only Frank Robinson (and Earl Weaver but I'm not counting that for this sake). On top of that theres 220 HOFers. Now you just opened a whole different can of worms. What about Negro League players now? Only 35 of them and lord knows there were plenty more who were just as good.

Lastly time. I invite you to devote your time and resources to making additional players. The game was sick 2 years ago when all they had was 1 flashback per team. Its sick now. Have we really gotten to a point where we are complaining that the seemingly endless stream of flashbacks/legends isnt enough simply because ppl disagree with who they are?

You seem to miss my point. Pepe Alazar is free. Understood. But how much did they pay Mario Mendoza? Whatever they paid him... which I'm thinking was not a lot. Offer that to everyone in the number retirement, Hof, whatever. They say no, then it's no. You talk about the Negro Leagues. YES! work with the Negro League Museum in KC. Get Cool Papa Bell. Get Josh Gibson. How is this a bad thing to you? Variety. We as a whole will pay to get the stubs and get these guys. Meanwhile kids learn of the players. they're not forgotten. Keep this game fresh. No Pepe, but how about Old Hoss, Three-Finger, Dizzy, Scooter? This game has a colorful history. Why not expand into it? There may be families of players who would like to see kids playing as if their loved ones are still alive. They may waive any rights. Doesn't hurt to ask. If you wish to teach me about the economics of my country, I'm game, but maybe just look and see we're critiquing a game we all want to enjoy in a discussion board about the game with others who play it. My girlfriend does not care one iota about Pepe. I brought it up. She dismissed it. But here, we are free to share our feelings about what most of us still see as a great game. 60 Legends is not endless. It's actually a finite number. 60. Add to that the maybe 25-40 guys playing today that have attributes that can compete with the legends then you're at a pool of 100 players. That's why in a month or two all the teams will start to look the same. That's what people are trying to avoid.

Also the rights to Roy Hobbs or any other movie likeness are probably more expensive than a players rights but thats just a flat out guess.

Yeah I get that, but my point was that he's not real but would've been better received then Pepe.

[TattooedEvil]

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This game is going to be really bland in a couple months when people start completing more of the dynasty program. Everyone with have 99 Griffey, 99 Vida Blue, 99 Ripken, 99 Feller, and 99 Cabrera.

I have no issue with them giving out good rewards just for playing the game. I'm just not sure how I feel about the rewards being cards that are the best player on the game at their respective position. When the game first released you'd see tons of variety, it was much more fun to play online back then. Now basically everyone that's any good has a team pulled from a pool of about 60 players. There are certain positions that are so weak that nearly everyone just uses the same player there.

I understand all the stuff about not being able to just put any legend you want in the game. But something should be done to inspire people to use different cards. Something that would help a lot would be making starting pitchers who don't throw 95+ useful online.

Events are a nice start, but even those can get bland sometimes. Maybe next year we'll see a salary cap type mode similar to 2k and madden.


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ya id love to see contracts or maybe a max of how many times u can use a player per season

[SigmundFraud]

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ya id love to see contracts or maybe a max of how many times u can use a player per season

Ugh I really hope they don't do that. I'd just like to see team overall caps in ranked seasons and the removal of the Dynasty Player in ranked play.

As soon as contracts start getting involved things get really annoying. I can't stand that feature on ultimate team, it FORCES you to spend your hard earned in game currency just to play games.

[TattooedEvil]

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Ugh I really hope they don't do that. I'd just like to see team overall caps in ranked seasons and the removal of the Dynasty Player in ranked play.

As soon as contracts start getting involved things get really annoying. I can't stand that feature on ultimate team, it FORCES you to spend your hard earned in game currency just to play games.

i just dont get the create a player. every person that has one that ive came across is just straight up garbage. idk how they work but id never touch that part personally

[Mercury112491]

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Yeah please please please don't put contracts in. It'll ruin the game.

I like the idea of some kind of team overall based on what division you're in maybe.


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