Fact or Fiction: Baseball Games Cometh Edition

[Artman22]

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You weren't wearing these!...
Oh...there is also a High Heat version...
...and a version for EVERY sports game out there.

M.K.
Knight165

Somebody has to be wearing those because they see things differently then you

[ehh]

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Yeah the notion that MVP '05 had perfect and/or overly realistic gameplay is a bit of a stretch. For those who need realistic pitch counts and walks, MVP definitely wasn't for you. MVP '05 was on the arcade side of the fence to me but insanely fun and realistic enough.

[GTheorenHobbes]

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I think MVP was vastly overrated. It didn't even have signature styles, for crying out loud. Any baseball game without signature styles keeps my attention for 20 minutes or so, tops.

[Full_Collapse]

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Hit varieties and ball physics in MVP 05 were what made it great. Pitch counts and walk totals weren't overly-accurate, for sure, but in terms of gameplay, it's as close to real baseball as I've played.

[ehh]

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I think MVP was vastly overrated. It didn't even have signature styles, for crying out loud. Any baseball game without signature styles keeps my attention for 20 minutes or so, tops.

LOL, MVP '05 had sig styles my dude.

[Artman22]

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The pitching/batter dual is best in the show. The show also give accurate pitch counts as well. It's a beautiful game to look at. I just think the show needs to work on hit varieties imo.

[Artman22]

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LOL, MVP '05 had sig styles my dude.

It didn't have a lot but the ones it had were on point.

[-Sonnenschein-]

Well, yes MVP 05 had problems: it was too easy on the lower difficulty levels and too hard on the higher ones (without adjusting sliders) and I hit a lot of HR:

but: at least they had a stadium creator, which had the problem that you needed many seasons to max it out and I had to sim most of it and you couldn't really determine much. But it could've been used for other games to implement a mode like CREATE your dynasty together with a game creator. I'm not the Be A Pro/ Road to the Show guide so I don't care about these modes in Fifa/ MLB 08.

And though presentation might surpass anything we have seen yet (except commentary which seems totally boring in The Show) I doubt The Show will surpass MVP 2005 just yet. Maybe next year, but for this they'll have to include more modes. They haven't really progressed on that since 2007: all they have done so far (seemingly) is presentation and sorry but I'd rather stay with lame graphics compared to The Show but have a fun time playing ball in MVP 2005.

What I do think is good for both MLB 09 + MLB 2k9 is that they both have practice modes now!

But yes, it can be debated if MVP is really that great. I do think so

[-Sonnenschein-]

oh: and The Show still needs to improve pitching so it actually looks like pitching! It still looks sooooooooooooooooo off, which kind of annoys me and takes away from the realism and fun

[spitoon]

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Wait, what? MVP 05 had to be modded to achieve anything close to realism in any of the areas he mentioned.

I think people are putting MVP on a pedastal that it doesn't quite deserve. Was it good? Yes. Was it the best baseball game at the time? Yes. But come on, it played terribly out of the box, so to say that it's "still superior", especially in those areas (ball physics were a complete joke!), is revisionist history.

What made MVP 05 great was the ability to mod it. Otherwise it was an average title.

I think this is the most important part of this 'argument'.

I spent as much time (probably more) modding MVP '05 as playing it. One time, when I got a new computer, I installed the game 'out of the box' with no mods, and it was virutually unplayable for me. On a scale of 1-10, MVP out of the box was probably a 6 or 7, but with the proper mods it approached a 9.

Now, given the fact that MLB '09 will not be moddable (outside of rosters), it won't have that advantage, but I'm confident from what I've seen that it will be very good.

[ehh]

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I think people are putting MVP on a pedastal that it doesn't quite deserve. Was it good? Yes. Was it the best baseball game at the time? Yes. But come on, it played terribly out of the box, so to say that it's "still superior", especially in those areas (ball physics were a complete joke!), is revisionist history.

To say it played terribly out of the box is just wrong, so many Xbox/PS2 gamers loved MVP '05 and they didn't have any benefits of the PC mods.

[nemesis04]

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To say it played terribly out of the box is just wrong, so many Xbox/PS2 gamers loved MVP '05 and they didn't have any benefits of the PC mods.

They also kept things moving too with the college series as far enhancing game play and innovation. That was only ps2 though.

[ehh]

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At least the beauty of this thread is that people are only arguing as to which game they feel is overrated. No one is saying that The Show or MVP 05 suck which is obviously good for us as gamers. Different fans like and look for different things in video games. It's easy to see why someone would be fanatical about either game, and also easy to see why someone would think one is overrated.

[swaldo]

Any reference to MVP 05 should be the PC modded version. There is a reason the price of a retail boxed version is $100 on ebay as compared to $5 for the console version.

Does The Show 09 justify spending $300-400 on a console & game for those that aren't Sony gamers? As for me playing MVP 05 PC modded + OOTP + MLB2K9 will probably hold me over. The Show will have to be pretty dang good for me to change my mind...

[vegaas]

MVP 05 was a great game, but yes it needed to be modded to get there. I remember putting countless hours simulating changes made to the tune file(I know it wasnt called a tune file, old HH reference, but same thing) by Bill Harrs. I would send the results he would modify it more and then more hours of simulating. This went on for sometime before finding the right balance. So who says MVP 05 was great out of the box is sadly mistaken.

As for The Show, after the disapoinment of 2k8 I bit the bullet and bought a PS3 just for The Show. I was not disappointed and I never had the thought that I wish I was playing HH or MVP. I had that thought several times before The Show, but not after.