Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

[nathan118]

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Yes, setting power to 0 will probably result in zero homeruns...but what's to prevent that from screwing with the players ability to get extra basehits or liners up the middle?

I know next to nothing about editting, but doesn't SCEA factor the player's real-life stats into proper power ratings? Not criticizing, just curious.

[steelcurtain311]

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The splits are always off in this game. They're WAY too generous with the contact ratings. .280 hitters shouldn't have their contact waaaaay up like some of them do. Or it seems to happen in the case of people who batted .300 like one season, but never did again, and still have high contact or power ratings. Adam LaRoche barely hit 20 some HR's last season, yet his power rating is high enough to hit like 40 with him in the game.

Hell, most left handed hitters in the game should have their contact/power ratings against lefty pitchers lowered, since they're way too high.

[seveb]

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Yeah Rod,

No disrespect, but last year's splits for Longoria don't mean squat. Less than squat. 120 Ab's vs lefties? I thought guys here were stat-heads. Wanna bet this year his splits vs lefties tops righties?

Don't mean to sound harsh, but given his dearth of ML AB's, I bet he falls into line with almost every other player in the long run with regards to his splits. If it ain't the case, make him prove it over the long haul. Odds lie with SCEA on this one.

Edit: Plus what Jamal said

[theotherguy619]

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Carew, are your changes going to make their way to Knight's Full Minors? Cuz I too think a lot of player's ratings are too high.

[RAZRr1275]

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Yeah Carew it would be great to see you and knight join forces. That would make the roster so much better.

[42]

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I'm in the midst of editing ALL of the Rays players. Longoria is the first that I'm doing for position players. I already see (IMO) that his power numbers are too high (vsR +79; vsL +88)...that's Hoawrd, Pujols, Manny territory.

So...I just happened to look at the contact splits, and I see:

vsR +70; vsL +86....


I don't agree with this.

Longoria batted .242 vs lefties (+60)* and .284 (+71)* vs. righties.


* my formula

I've 'done' (or thought I did) three teams already, now it looks as though I'll HAVE TO check each players' contact splits for those teams.....damn

There a web site where I can locate player ratings?

[spyder23]

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I'm in the midst of editing ALL of the Rays players. Longoria is the first that I'm doing for position players. I already see (IMO) that his power numbers are too high (vsR +79; vsL +88)...that's Hoawrd, Pujols, Manny territory.

So...I just happened to look at the contact splits, and I see:

vsR +70; vsL +86....


I don't agree with this.

Longoria batted .242 vs lefties (+60)* and .284 (+71)* vs. righties.


* my formula

I've 'done' (or thought I did) three teams already, now it looks as though I'll HAVE TO check each players' contact splits for those teams.....damn

I haven't read through the entire thread so if I apologize if this was mentioned, but Longoria flat out RAKED against lefties in the minors. The dude can hit period. Last year he hit a paltry .242 I believe, but that won't be the norm. I wouldn't adjust him IMO.

I think this year that avg vs lefties will rise significantly and he'll be a monster. Very much like the guys you named in your post above.

[mgoblue678]

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Carew I have to say I was going to post something similar considering I am doing my own roster and editing every player as well. Just in the couple of teams I have done so far I have seen so many attributes that don't match up with the stats and splits. I can't rememeber who it was but I saw a player with a 50 contact rating against left handers who batted .330 against left handers and .320 in career .

Just for example since the Orioles were the first team in the edit menu with the default rosters they are 30th in hitting when they were up near the top of the league in runs scored. Several guys on there roster had attributes that were significantly lower than their stats for last year and their career.

Long story short the ratings out the box are extremely innaccurate and I would never feel comfortable starting a franchise before editing every team.

BTW I do the same exact thing with guys who hit no or very few home runs. Very low power rating. I can't believe how many players in this game out of the box have very inflated power attributes.

[42]

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Carew I have to say I was going to post something similar considering I am doing my own roster and editing every player as well. Just in the couple of teams I have done so far I have seen so many attributes that don't match up with the stats and splits. I can't rememeber who it was but I saw a player with a 50 contact rating against left handers who batted .330 against left handers and .320 in career .

Just for example since the Orioles were the first team in the edit menu with the default rosters they are 30th in hitting when they were up near the top of the league in runs scored. Several guys on there roster had attributes that were significantly lower than their stats for last year and their career.

Long story short the ratings out the box are extremely innaccurate and I would never feel comfortable starting a franchise before editing every team.

BTW I do the same exact thing with guys who hit no or very few home runs. Very low power rating. I can't believe how many players in this game out of the box have very inflated power attributes.

You know of any sites that show player ratings/attributes so I myself can adjust to the appropriate levels?

[mgoblue678]

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^^^Do you mean where do I get my stats from? I use MLB to get my stats for hitters and compare them to the attributes in the game. For instance if somebody batted .320 against left handers in real life I give them a 90 contact rating or so against left handers in the game. For home runs for instance if somebody had an high amount of home runs against left handers I would give them about a 90 rating in power against left handers. It is not exact.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ nathan118

trust me, player contact, as well as the slider settings (default or otherwise) ultimately determine what a player will do. Trust me, guys with NO power attributes can get extra basehits, triples (if they have any type of speed) and on occasion (like Luis Castillo has done for me-lol), launch one to the warning track---as how he sould.

Play an exhibition with a team who has at least one of those no power guys. And when you pitch to him, just throw it down the middle. Then post back and make sure you tell what happened in those AB's.

In terms of site for ratings, I don't know, I don't care about ratings at all. Only about how players perfrom in the game. Ratings are soooooooooooo overblown and so much is made of them, that I see why some don't really take the time to see how the game will play out. They just worry about who is rated higher than the next guy.

Yes, setting power to 0 will probably result in zero homeruns...but what's to prevent that from screwing with the players ability to get extra basehits or liners up the middle?

I know next to nothing about editting, but doesn't SCEA factor the player's real-life stats into proper power ratings? Not criticizing, just curious.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ spyder23

the minors DON'T count according to the SCEA guys when they were inputting what a player's attributes are. Again, if you hit .240 in a full season at the MLB level, your contact SHOULD NOT be in the high 80's at all. And it's incorrect.

I haven't read through the entire thread so if I apologize if this was mentioned, but Longoria flat out RAKED against lefties in the minors. The dude can hit period. Last year he hit a paltry .242 I believe, but that won't be the norm. I wouldn't adjust him IMO.

I think this year that avg vs lefties will rise significantly and he'll be a monster. Very much like the guys you named in your post above.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ mgoblue678

DING!!!! You are absolutely, positively, no-doubt-about-it correct!

If Knight and I ever do a joint venture, I'll suggest to bring you on board too!

peace!

Carew I have to say I was going to post something similar considering I am doing my own roster and editing every player as well. Just in the couple of teams I have done so far I have seen so many attributes that don't match up with the stats and splits. I can't rememeber who it was but I saw a player with a 50 contact rating against left handers who batted .330 against left handers and .320 in career .

Just for example since the Orioles were the first team in the edit menu with the default rosters they are 30th in hitting when they were up near the top of the league in runs scored. Several guys on there roster had attributes that were significantly lower than their stats for last year and their career.

Long story short the ratings out the box are extremely innaccurate and I would never feel comfortable starting a franchise before editing every team.

BTW I do the same exact thing with guys who hit no or very few home runs. Very low power rating. I can't believe how many players in this game out of the box have very inflated power attributes.

[mgoblue678]

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^^^Well, I still think you and Knight are probally better at it than me. This is only my second doing this in The Show.

Hopefully I have my roster ready by open day, I am stickler for stats. The problem with team lineups has me waiting as well. I might use Knights as base if it fixes it.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ seveb

yeah seveb...check this out...if you are REALLY a baseball fan, you would KNOW (but obviously you don't), that in a full season, the number of lefties one faces, NEVER equals or comes close to the number of righties.

So SQUAT means a lot, sorry you don't understand the game.

PS: as I told the other guy, and you missed that too, per SCEA, the ratings/atrributes for all players--who have at least three years in the majors, are formulated taking into accout that three year cycle.

For those who don't have that kind of resume, you go with 2008.
Fool, don't bet me because you will lose. How? The info in THIS game pertains to last year for Longoria. No one gives a **** about what (you) think Longoria will do THIS year. Save that nonsense for the spring of 2010. And get back to us then.

Class session OVER!

Yeah Rod,

No disrespect, but last year's splits for Longoria don't mean squat. Less than squat. 120 Ab's vs lefties? I thought guys here were stat-heads. Wanna bet this year his splits vs lefties tops righties?

Don't mean to sound harsh, but given his dearth of ML AB's, I bet he falls into line with almost every other player in the long run with regards to his splits. If it ain't the case, make him prove it over the long haul. Odds lie with SCEA on this one.

Edit: Plus what Jamal said