Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

[sask3m]

Re: @ spyder23

the minors DON'T count according to the SCEA guys when they were inputting what a player's attributes are. Again, if you hit .240 in a full season at the MLB level, your contact SHOULD NOT be in the high 80's at all. And it's incorrect.

i'm sure scea was factoring in some projection stats when they did Longorias attributes.

[mgoblue678]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

^^^I would be more comfortable doing it based on stats though as opposed to speculation.

I don't know if Rod does this but the only time I don't go according to the stats is if a guy played injured for the year or had a year that was way off from his career stats. Usually I settle somewhere in the middle in those cases.

[sask3m]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

Longoria is a special case though, wouldn't you agree?

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Re: @ nathan118

In terms of site for ratings, I don't know, I don't care about ratings at all. Only about how players perfrom in the game. Ratings are soooooooooooo overblown and so much is made of them, that I see why some don't really take the time to see how the game will play out. They just worry about who is rated higher than the next guy.

I was asking more along the lines of how you calculate your formulas

[spyder23]

Rod Carew

the minors DON'T count according to the SCEA guys when they were inputting what a player's attributes are. Again, if you hit .240 in a full season at the MLB level, your contact SHOULD NOT be in the high 80's at all. And it's incorrect.

I totally disagree. And I know you don't care, but I'm allowed to.

SCEA may not inject minor league stats into a players ratings but I'd be willing to bet anything they incorporate PLAYER PROJECTIONS. Otherwise, why play the games if the sim engine replicates what happened in 08?

Longoria is not a .240 hitter against lefties, and he shouldn't be rated as such. It was an anomaly. He was a 23 year old rookie in 2008. The sky is the limit with the kid.

Usually, projections are compiled using a three year window, and in Longoria's case, he only played the one year. So while you may disagree that he isn't at the Manny/Pujols level just yet, let's not delegate him to David Murphy status either.

Longoria is a beast. This is 2009. Not 2008. I for one am GLAD they didn't limit him to a .240-type rating vs lefties. If the trend continues for a few years then yes, but someone there knows what they are doing.

[spyder23]

Re: @ spyder23

i'm sure scea was factoring in some projection stats when they did Longorias attributes.

I'd bet my house on it. I just posted the same thing, I didn't see your post.

Otherwise, if they based their player attribute ratings solely off of 2008 performance, then if you simmed an entire season, you should see similar leaders in hitting/pitching categories and teams within shouting distance of their actual won/loss records.

And in Show 09, that's the not the case. They without a doubt based attributes(a certain percentage, not 100%), off a player's projection.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ spyder23

a) ALL stats in ALL baseball video games are based on the year PRIOR. Since when do we cancel out, ignor ot trivialize the preceding year?

b) As a yankees fan, you look at Cano's attributes and you tell me if they are some kind of 'projection' into 2009 as you speak....NOT!

c) http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi...ev01&year=2008

d) .242 in black and white....sorry to disappoint you

end of discussion

I totally disagree. And I know you don't care, but I'm allowed to.

SCEA may not inject minor league stats into a players ratings but I'd be willing to bet anything they incorporate PLAYER PROJECTIONS. Otherwise, why play the games if the sim engine replicates what happened in 08?

Longoria is not a .240 hitter against lefties, and he shouldn't be rated as such. It was an anomaly. He was a 23 year old rookie in 2008. The sky is the limit with the kid.

Usually, projections are compiled using a three year window, and in Longoria's case, he only played the one year. So while you may disagree that he isn't at the Manny/Pujols level just yet, let's not delegate him to David Murphy status either.

Longoria is a beast. This is 2009. Not 2008. I for one am GLAD they didn't limit him to a .240-type rating vs lefties. If the trend continues for a few years then yes, but someone there knows what they are doing.

[spyder23]

Re: @ spyder23

a) ALL stats in ALL baseball video games are based on the year PRIOR. Since when do we cancel out, ignor ot trivialize the preceding year?

b) As a yankees fan, you look at Cano's attributes and you tell me if they are some kind of 'projection' into 2009 as you speak....NOT!

c) http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi...ev01&year=2008

d) .242 in black and white....sorry to disappoint you

end of discussion

Dude, I know he hit .242 last year vs lefties. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I didn't mean it in a literal sense. You don't need to send me a link. He's played one year. Big deal. So am I supposed to think he's not gonna hit over 27 homers?

All I'm telling you he's NOT A .240 HITTER VS LEFTIES. He's much better.

If you think every attribute is based on 2008, that's crazy. Cano is rated the way he is b/c he's hit his ceiling. What you see is what you get. Longoria...this is the tip of the iceberg.

And point to me where I said they are solely based on projections. I never once did.

I'm sure ratings are allocated between a few different factors, one of them being 2008 stats, another being 2009 projections.

End of discussion? Why? You started the thread. And I disagree. Stop acting like a 3rd grader, taking your ball and going home.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ spyder23

Unless and until he proves himself in the MAJORS as a terror against lefties, then he's not..plain and simple. A whole ton of guys murder lefties/righties in the MINORS, but once they come the the club, it's another story.

We will ALL see if he reigns terror or struggles in the MAJORS

Dude, I know he hit .242 last year vs lefties. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I didn't mean it in a literal sense. You don't need to send me a link. He's played one year. Big deal. So am I supposed to think he's not gonna hit over 27 homers?

All I'm telling you he's NOT A .240 HITTER VS LEFTIES. He's much better.

If you think every attribute is based on 2008, that's crazy. Cano is rated the way he is b/c he's hit his ceiling. What you see is what you get. Longoria...this is the tip of the iceberg.

And point to me where I said they are solely based on projections. I never once did.

I'm sure ratings are allocated between a few different factors, one of them being 2008 stats, another being 2009 projections.

End of discussion? Why? You started the thread. And I disagree. Stop acting like a 3rd grader, taking your ball and going home.

[Blzer]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

I've only read the first post so I don't know if anyone said this yet, but have you looked at three-year splits? I mean I know that Longoria isn't a good example, but maybe SCEA looks at more than just 2008 (in fact, I'm almost positive that they do).

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Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

I've only read the first post so I don't know if anyone said this yet, but have you looked at three-year splits? I mean I know that Longoria isn't a good example, but maybe SCEA looks at more than just 2008 (in fact, I'm almost positive that they do).

Also heard this is true...

[Rod_Carew29]

@ Blzer

yes, we were told on OS a few weeks ago that a three-year plan (for lack of a better word), is incorporated into player attributes

I've only read the first post so I don't know if anyone said this yet, but have you looked at three-year splits? I mean I know that Longoria isn't a good example, but maybe SCEA looks at more than just 2008 (in fact, I'm almost positive that they do).

[spyder23]

Re: @ spyder23

Unless and until he proves himself in the MAJORS as a terror against lefties, then he's not..plain and simple. A whole ton of guys murder lefties/righties in the MINORS, but once they come the the club, it's another story.

We will ALL see if he reigns terror or struggles in the MAJORS

Fair enough.

But those "ton of guys" murdering pitching in the minors are the same guys who are superstars today. And if they aren't superstars, then I rest my case b/c Longoria fits this trend of hitters that are superstars based on the impact he had in his rookie year and his minor league success.

He's a special, special player.

[Rod_Carew29]

@ spyder23

We all know he's a special player...well most of us do....
And yes, some rake in the minors and never stop, and some struggle with one handedness or another..

I think the 'projection' thing with the Show is more the 'progression' options which many gotta have and less than these guys at the studio trying to anticipate what his numbers are gonna look like by the end of September...

Fair enough.

But those "ton of guys" murdering pitching in the minors are the same guys who are superstars today. And if they aren't superstars, then I rest my case b/c Longoria fits this trend of hitters that are superstars based on the impact he had in his rookie year and his minor league success.

He's a special, special player.

[K_GUN]

Re: Batting Splits Not Equal to The Actual Splits?

so....


then how do you handle the guys in the minors?

their numbers should be adjusted accordingly.....yes?