is there any point to the pitching meter ?

[Imnus]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Look, this is a game, there should be an ellement of be ing able to judge what the ball is going to do. Why play a game that has a mind of its own !!

A real pitcher has the Human ellement, this is a game.

So i ask again, what is the point of the meter if it has a mind of its own ?

Also, i did not realise there was a blue confidence meter, i dont suppose it will help with pitching but it may answer why they are a bit wayward

First it doesn't have a mind of it's own, you just don't understand how pitching works in the game yet.

Second don't know what are you trying to say with the "Human Element" thing, and this game intends it's to simulate the real thing.

Third I doubt that your always hitting the release point on the same spot, plus the strenght and the aiming of the throw unless you're a robot, so there goes your "Human Element" thing.

And finally if you want a game that makes you think that you're always doing things right go play something on the Wii, or wait for the more arcady The Bigs 2.

[Imnus]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

I am not new to Baseball but indeed this is my first Baseball game so some of my questions maybe NOOBISH

What is the meter if not an aid ?
If you want more speed why would you aim for yellow and not red ?
If you want more accuracy why would you aim anywhere other than the middle of the blue section ?

I am lost if that is not what is meant to happen ?

Not being sarcastic in any of the above by the way, just very confused

Man you have to realize that pitching is a very tricky thing, one slight change on the inclination of your arm, of your grip, of your release, just a little thing makes a big difference on how and where the ball travels.

About your questions:

It's more a mechanism than an aid.

Because filling to the red you're overthrowing which could lead to bad release.

Accuracy it's not only affected by that. It's a lot complex than that.

[paulwilko]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

I do actually understand that pitching is tricky, i cant pitch for toffee (Maybe an english saying !!)

You are not actually helping, you are just accusing me of not knowing what i am talking about which maybe true, but you are not saying how to actually make use of the system / aid or whatever its called, all your saying is there are so many variables to getting it right and even then it may not pitch correctly.

So again i ask, what is the point of the meter if it does nto do what you want ?

[Zinger]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

So again i ask, what is the point of the meter if it does nto do what you want ?

There is a point to hitting the snap on the meter because it means that your pitches will go where you want them to more often than if you miss the snap. You won't get 100 percent success, as in real life, but you will aim better. If you think the pitch should always go where you want if you hit the snap, then I'm afraid this just isn't the game for you.

[paulwilko]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

There is a point to hitting the snap on the meter because it means that your pitches will go where you want them to more often than if you miss the snap. You won't get 100 percent success, as in real life, but you will aim better. If you think the pitch should always go where you want if you hit the snap, then I'm afraid this just isn't the game for you.

Not a question of it not being the game for me, I am just trying to understand it yet not one person has told me how the meter works and how best to accurately get the most pitches where i want them, its all been about how i dont understand things. So i am asking how to read the meter and how best to use it to be as accurate as possible !
Can you help ?

[scooteristkai]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Best to use it I would say: Don´t get in the red while filling up the meter (which gives you most accuracy not pinpoint of course) and hit the spot on the meter for again best accuracy. You won´t hit your spots all the time but this should give you the most accurate results. And when your pitch confidence goes up (you can see that by the bigger bar on the meter) you can go over the yellow area into the red and have similarly acurate results because of your pitchers´confidence in his pitches.

Not a question of it not being the game for me, I am just trying to understand it yet not one person has told me how the meter works and how best to accurately get the most pitches where i want them, its all been about how i dont understand things. So i am asking how to read the meter and how best to use it to be as accurate as possible !
Can you help ?

[jr86]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Not a question of it not being the game for me, I am just trying to understand it yet not one person has told me how the meter works and how best to accurately get the most pitches where i want them, its all been about how i dont understand things. So i am asking how to read the meter and how best to use it to be as accurate as possible !
Can you help ?

I am also a noob at this so i will let the other more well informed answer you. But i do get where you are coming from.
Take a game like Tiger Woods golf, if i hit the downswing perfectly on the line then the ball will go exactly where i aimed it before swinging, no matter if i went into the overswing or not, the key thing on that game is hitting the line perfectly on the downswing and then the ball will go where you intended it to go (obviously if there is high wind then it will be blown around but you know what i am trying to say hopefully).
But whereas on The Show even if you hit this line perfect every time then the ball does not necessarily go where you intend it to.
Now i know guys have said that no pitcher in the world can make a pitch go exactly where they want time and time again and this stands to reason, but not withstanding this whether or not it makes the game arcade if i hit that line spot on i expect that ball to go exactly where i intend it to go. Now if i miss by even a fraction then it should not go where it is intended but like i say if i hit this perfect then i expect a perfect result a la Tiger.

[paulwilko]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

I am also a noob at this so i will let the other more well informed answer you. But i do get where you are coming from.
Take a game like Tiger Woods golf, if i hit the downswing perfectly on the line then the ball will go exactly where i aimed it before swinging, no matter if i went into the overswing or not, the key thing on that game is hitting the line perfectly on the downswing and then the ball will go where you intended it to go (obviously if there is high wind then it will be blown around but you know what i am trying to say hopefully).
But whereas on The Show even if you hit this line perfect every time then the ball does not necessarily go where you intend it to.
Now i know guys have said that no pitcher in the world can make a pitch go exactly where they want time and time again and this stands to reason, but not withstanding this whether or not it makes the game arcade if i hit that line spot on i expect that ball to go exactly where i intend it to go. Now if i miss by even a fraction then it should not go where it is intended but like i say if i hit this perfect then i expect a perfect result a la Tiger.

EXACTLY !

This is why i ask whther the meter is a good thing or a worthless thing because it does not do what you tell it to do

[bcruise]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Best to use it I would say: Don´t get in the red while filling up the meter (which gives you most accuracy not pinpoint of course) and hit the spot on the meter for again best accuracy. You won´t hit your spots all the time but this should give you the most accurate results. And when your pitch confidence goes up (you can see that by the bigger bar on the meter) you can go over the yellow area into the red and have similarly acurate results because of your pitchers´confidence in his pitches.

Well said - that's exactly what I was talking about earlier, I just wasn't detailed enough.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Paul.

Hitting the sweet spot on the meter means the pitch is simply more likely to go where you want it, not guaranteed.

That about covers it

[paulwilko]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Dunno why, but that made me chuckle !!!!

What a great system it is then ! So its throw and

[pbz06]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

that's why i've been using Classic lately.

The Meter has just been giving me another obstacle to struggle with pitching. All it took was miss the accuracy mark once or twice and things would unravel too quickly.

With Classic, at least I'm removing one layer of possible mistakes and relying only on the pitcher's ratings and attributes.

[davewins]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Guys you have to look at your individual pitch confidence as well as your main confidence (blue bar when you hit select). If you have a fastball that is rated great for control and you have full confidence in that pitch than you are going to spot it much better then if you have little confidence in the pitch and/or you have less control attributes for that pitch.

You sometimes do have to call off the pitcher. If your pitch confidence for your fastball is dead then stay off it. Try to get guys out with other pitches and mix up speeds and patterns. You are going to have a tough time getting outs and pitching where you want with pitches that have little confidence.

It's really all about confidence and hitting your release point. Just concentrate on mixing up speed (going into yellow/red) and hitting your release point. The only thing I think about when I pitch is hitting that release point. I seriously hit it 90% of the game unless I'm pitching with someone that's tough to hit it (fast delivery).

Keep your confidence up. When your confidence gets low you get wild. Your overall confidence and/or your indiviual pitch confidence. I do think the system is a little flawed because I can have a guy on the mound and if he gives up a couple hits and his confidence is shot it's all over for him. THere is no chance he is going to get an out. So I do think it's a little overdone but you have to play the game how it is. So stay on top of your confidence. That's really the goal when pitching besides hitting your release point and mixing up speed. As far as pitch type and location that's on auto pilot with the catcher making the calls.

Also for the OP, I'm not sure if this was mentioned I think it was but I will mention anyway. If you release your pitch slightly before the blue line (release point) you will release early and the ball will sail a little high. If you release late you will throw it low. You can get away with fastballs because they are tougher to hit anyway but be very careful when throwing offspeed stuff especially curveballs. Really concentrate on hitting your release point on those pitches.

[pbz06]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Guys you have to look at your individual pitch confidence as well as your main confidence (blue bar when you hit select). If you have a fastball that is rated great for control and you have full confidence in that pitch than you are going to spot it much better then if you have little confidence in the pitch and/or you have less control attributes for that pitch.

You sometimes do have to call off the pitcher. If your pitch confidence for your fastball is dead then stay off it. Try to get guys out with other pitches and mix up speeds and patterns. You are going to have a tough time getting outs and pitching where you want with pitches that have little confidence.

It's really all about confidence and hitting your release point. Just concentrate on mixing up speed (going into yellow/red) and hitting your release point. The only thing I think about when I pitch is hitting that release point. I seriously hit it 90% of the game unless I'm pitching with someone that's tough to hit it (fast delivery).

Keep your confidence up. When your confidence gets low you get wild. Your overall confidence and/or your indiviual pitch confidence. I do think the system is a little flawed because I can have a guy on the mound and if he gives up a couple hits and his confidence is shot it's all over for him. THere is no chance he is going to get an out. So I do think it's a little overdone but you have to play the game how it is. So stay on top of your confidence. That's really the goal when pitching besides hitting your release point and mixing up speed. As far as pitch type and location that's on auto pilot with the catcher making the calls.

Yea, that's the problem. I wish the Confidence wasn't so spazzy....the meters stop dropping real quick, and I hate being punished for throwing a Ball on purpose, know what I mean? Like sometimes I want to waste a pitch to get them to chase, but it results in the confidence dropping. And even if I have full confidence in a pitch, all it takes is one big hit and BOOM it drops like crazy and it's all down hill from there.

[davewins]

Re: is there any point to the pitching meter ?

Yes they need to tweak the confidence for next year. If I want to pitch around a guy then I want to pitch around a guy. That should not affect my confidence but then how does the CPU know that I am pitching around him and not missing my spots. Well this is why I think they need to make the confidence meter drop when I simply miss my release point. The greater I miss my release point the greater the confidence meter drops. This way I can walk a guy that I am pitching around and have no effect at all on the confidence meter. I don't think my individual pitch confidence meter should gain when I record an out too. If I make a good pitch in a tight spot maybe but when I give up a line drive shot to the 3rd basemen who makes a nice play on it I shouldn't be rewarded with a boost in confidence in that pitch.

It should be big things like HR's and doubles that drop confidence and strikeouts and double plays that boost confidence and it should be much more sensitive both ways. I think it's too easy to build confidence and lose confidence. If a pitcher doesn't have his curveball he's most likely not going to find it no matter what which I think they do pretty good because you probably aren't even going to risk throwing that. However the fastball and some pitches confidence are to sensitive both for positive and negative confidence gains.

You know what's funny though. The CPU's confidence doesn't drop as quick as the users. I can hit so good and somehow the confidence will never get depleted for the pitcher. Also the CPU I think made a few "arrangements" with the umpires because they are allowed 2 mound visits an inning :wink: