The Comeback AI thread

[tessl]

Re: The Comeback AI thread

I believe the devs but I would like to know the details of when "clutch" is activated. If it is when the team at the plate is trailing, that might explain the comebacks.

[viking12344]

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I fall in between. I would have bet cold cash there was a comeback code in this game. Every single time I took the lead, the next time the opposing team took their bats up, they would answer me right back. It was almost always the same too, 3-4-5 hits right in a row...sometimes on just the first pitch and 80% of the time right up the middle. Pissed me off to the point of wanting to tear my hair out. I also let the catcher call the game and would always pitch to his location (same as I played last year) and always mixed my speeds up via the meter.

Well, it got to the point that I was going to shelf this game or figure out what I was doing wrong. I decieded to call my own game, pitch and location. The problem went away, completely, at that point. Not over time, right at that point. Done, no more crazy comebacks.
I have a feeling that the comeback AI may in fact be the pitch and locations as called by the catcher helping out the other team. I play on all star. I pitch smart. I pitch to mostly blue zones. I set guys up. The catcher does not.

Edit: Default all star slider. Comeback set to off and was with me or without me calling the game. I encountered the comeback on vet and AS.

[swaldo]

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Thanks Millennium and OS for opening this thread. After all the comeback threads were being shut down I found myself using PM to discuss the issue with others. I'd rather do it here though because I think it's easier and it's best if everyone else can join in on the conversation if they want.

My apologies if I offended anyone in the other comeback threads. This is a subject that is pretty much impossible to agree to disagree so it was a disaster waiting to happen. DrUrsus - it's all good, I've enjoyed your posts in the past and you seem like a smart dude so it's good to have you in here contributing.

JT30 and myself are running some tests and we will certainly keep everyone posted as soon as we get enough samples. I will say though regarding the games I've played thus far - do not sell your disk on ebay just yet.

I'll be quiet on here for awhile because I have alot of games to play and stats to track. Later I'll post up the links here of the research I've conducted thus far.

[Phoenixmgs]

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I really don't think there's a CPU comeback reverse thing happening. However, there is CPU BS no matter if you play with CPU comeback on or off.

The CPU hitting is just ridiculous at times, they just get into a streak of hitting line shots everywhere that can't be stopped unless you make perfect pitches or the ball is hit right at someone. Additionally, I've put down the first 8 hitters of the game, and the pitcher comes up to the plate. I literally called it, I said to myself, well the pitcher going to get a hit. First pitch of the at bat, perfect solid single to left. This one time, I was playing the dodgers and the game went to extra innings and Manny got on 1st with a single. The CPU decides to send Manny on a hit and run or steal (didn't make no damn sense whatsoever) and the batter "coincidentally" hits a perfect fracking double down the line and Manny scores to win the game. The only way Manny could score on a double would be for him to be running on the play, but why would you put Manny in motion unless it was a 3-2 count? And, I swear it's impossible to do a 1-2-3 save unless the CPU hits 3 rockets right at someone.

I do actually think the BS happens a little bit less with CPU comeback turned on if that means anything.

[twiztiddarkangelman]

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Personally I don't see much difference with the comeback ON/OFF. I don't think there is a comeback in the game totally. But I do think that the clutch numbers seem way too high and may or may not contribute to some of the things we are seeing. One thing disturbs me for sure. CPU scoring after I do just about everytime. And a drop off in my pitching as they mount their attack and score and then just as quickly their offense going cold. It just seems all so very strange to me. I thought about messing with the clutch numbers, but frankly I don't know what this will do because I believe most of these sliders don't do too much.

[PsychoBulk]

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You shouldn't be getting results like the ones you posted with it ON. It should be keeping games close.

Alright Doc.

This part is incorrect.

The CPU Comeback ON is not solely intended to guarantee games are close, only that the CPU/USER gets a small contact bonus/drop when winning or losing by 4, it does not mean all games should be close, a lot of that is down to the way the user plays still, just to clarify.

Its a small ratings boost, nothing more, nothing less, not a nailed on close game :wink:

[brunnoce]

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Alright Doc.

This part is incorrect.

The CPU Comeback ON is not solely intended to guarantee games are close, only that the CPU/USER gets a small contact bonus/drop when winning or losing by 4, it does not mean all games should be close, a lot of that is down to the way the user plays still, just to clarify.

Its a small ratings boost, nothing more, nothing less, not a nailed on close game :wink:

still, in a giant sample like i have(over 90 games with OFF and over 80 with ON) i should be seen that diference a bit cleary..wich i am indeed, but as the oposite, with ON i get all kinds of results, with OFF only close games...

[PsychoBulk]

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My last 2 games with it off (can give screens if needed ) 11-5 and 6-1 wins.

I just dont see it.

That said this thread is for people who apparently do see it so ill stay quiet

[brunnoce]

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My last 2 games with it off (can give screens if needed ) 11-5 and 6-1 wins.

I just dont see it.

That said this thread is for people who apparently do see it so ill stay quiet

no need for screens at all....
i belive ure seeing that, but im not... so u keep OFF and i keep ON
this way we both can have all kinds of results and be happy

[davewins]

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I fall in between. I would have bet cold cash there was a comeback code in this game. Every single time I took the lead, the next time the opposing team took their bats up, they would answer me right back. It was almost always the same too, 3-4-5 hits right in a row...sometimes on just the first pitch and 80% of the time right up the middle. Pissed me off to the point of wanting to tear my hair out. I also let the catcher call the game and would always pitch to his location (same as I played last year) and always mixed my speeds up via the meter.

Well, it got to the point that I was going to shelf this game or figure out what I was doing wrong. I decieded to call my own game, pitch and location. The problem went away, completely, at that point. Not over time, right at that point. Done, no more crazy comebacks.
I have a feeling that the comeback AI may in fact be the pitch and locations as called by the catcher helping out the other team. I play on all star. I pitch smart. I pitch to mostly blue zones. I set guys up. The catcher does not.

Edit: Default all star slider. Comeback set to off and was with me or without me calling the game. I encountered the comeback on vet and AS.

Dude when I read this post I felt like I was reading one of my own posts. This is EXACTLY how I felt lately.

I started to just go with my pitches with the most confidence more often then going with the catchers suggestions. I also feel that the catcher will call the game and make the CPU come back a little on you because there is no reason in the world they should have you throw 2 of the same pitches in the same location back to back. It ALWAYS ends up in a hit at the least.

I still think something is messed up with the option. The fact that I played about the first 100 games with everything set to default (off) and couldn't lose or win by more then 4 and then the very first 2 games I try with this option ON I win by 8 (12-4) and 7 (9-2) was very interesting. I don't know what's up with the option but in my opinion it's broken in some way. Reversed? I don't know because I still see some funky comebacks and the CPU try to make it close with it turned ON. However, in my personal experience it has been MUCH harder with the option turned OFF then with the option turned ON. Why should it be harder with the option OFF then ON when the CPU supposively only gets hitting bonuses with it turned ON????

Also I believe it's broken not only from my personal experiences with it actually being easier with the option turned ON but if you go back to last year's game the fielding marker option was broken. If an option was broken before then why can't it be now. The difference with this becoming such an argument and nobody coming to a conclusion is because it's under the hood and can not be seen with the naked eye like the other option that was broken (fielding marker). That was a visual aid that could clearly be seen that it wasn't turning off when the option was switched to off in the settings.

Another thing just to clear my name a little. I never thought the dev's were lying. These guys are GREAT guys that devote their life to this game. I just sit back and do what I do all year and just play this game when it comes out. These guys make the game all year and then when they finally get a short break they still spend time in these forums talking about the game with the community. Which is absolutley amazing. Just to clear the air, I want them to know if they are reading this that I never thought that they lied to me. I believe everything they ever told me. What I believed about this "issue" was it couldn't be determined by ANYBODY dev's included. The question in my mind was never "did the dev's PUT IN comeback code?" The question in my mind was "did the option somehow become broken"?? Which would be accidental and not done on purpose. Which is a huge difference, NIGHT AND DAY. To think that they put comeback code built into the game vs the option that they put in the game could possibly be broken is NIGHT AND DAY and could really make me look bad trying to argue with the dev's about what they say. This is not what I thought again, I only thought that when the game was developed there could of been a simple error in the option where the option is broken. Just like the fielding marker was broken in last year's game (was it last year??). When I asked if they could somehow see if options like this were broken they told me that they did numerous tests. All I ever hold against them (if you even want to call it that) was that their tests vs Phillyfan/Swaldo's tests were in the end a matter of opinion vs opinion. That's all I ever thought. Never thought they lied with their findings. Just simply thought that this option is broken, and if it is broken then how can anybody prove otherwise? We can't prove it with our tests because why should our tests hold more weight then SCEA's tests and vice verse. It can not be proved. It can only be felt by the user and that is why they have the option of turning it ON and turning it OFF.

Bottom line here is I think it's all a matter of opinion and I never wanted to argue with anyone. This to me was all just a matter of opinion vs opinion because you can not prove something under the hood.

May everybody on this forum enjoy this game to it's greatest whether you believe there is comeback, no comeback, or santa clause. One thing's for sure, this game is the best video game I have ever played in my entire life. Forget about best baseball game, or best sports game ever. That wouldn't be saying enough. This is the best video game that I have ever played in my entire life.

[PsychoBulk]

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because you can not prove something under the hood.

You can when you made the damn game

They have told you its not broken, you say you are not accusing them of lying but then say you think its broken, clearly that is a huge contradiction.

That said Dave i admire your persistence in this matter :wink:

p.s. sorry, couldnt keep out of it, but its civil.

[davewins]

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I really don't think there's a CPU comeback reverse thing happening. However, there is CPU BS no matter if you play with CPU comeback on or off.

The CPU hitting is just ridiculous at times, they just get into a streak of hitting line shots everywhere that can't be stopped unless you make perfect pitches or the ball is hit right at someone. Additionally, I've put down the first 8 hitters of the game, and the pitcher comes up to the plate. I literally called it, I said to myself, well the pitcher going to get a hit. First pitch of the at bat, perfect solid single to left. This one time, I was playing the dodgers and the game went to extra innings and Manny got on 1st with a single. The CPU decides to send Manny on a hit and run or steal (didn't make no damn sense whatsoever) and the batter "coincidentally" hits a perfect fracking double down the line and Manny scores to win the game. The only way Manny could score on a double would be for him to be running on the play, but why would you put Manny in motion unless it was a 3-2 count? And, I swear it's impossible to do a 1-2-3 save unless the CPU hits 3 rockets right at someone.

I do actually think the BS happens a little bit less with CPU comeback turned on if that means anything.

I am not arguing your point. You see what you see and that's perfectly fine. However, I would like to point out that I have gotten plenty of 1,2,3 saves with the option turned ON. I haven't played with it OFF in a long time but I from what I recall it was much more difficult. Just letting you know that you can get 1,2,3 saves just to give you the hope. Again, not arguing what you see and saying you need to play better. Just trying to encourage you that you can get 1,2,3 outs with a closer in the 9th. I have gotten them.

[davewins]

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You can when you made the damn game

They have told you its not broken, you say you are not accusing them of lying but then say you think its broken, clearly that is a huge contradiction.

That said Dave i admire your persistence in this matter :wink:

p.s. sorry, couldnt keep out of it, but its civil.

I have a right to my opinion. Disagreeing with an opinion my friend is not thinking the other person is lying. This is an opinion vs opinion and always will be. Why do you think this has been the heated debate for the entire year???

I was told by Russell when asked "how can you determine if the option is or isn't broken?" that Brian determined this by numerous tests done before the game shipped. All gameplay tests. Well how can you say that their tests hold any more weight than Phillyfan/Swaldo's tests?? They were both gameplay tests done by users. Any results could of happened for both sides. That's why it's opinion vs opinion. Nobody is right. Nobody wins! LOL

That my friend is not accusing someone of lying. It's disagreeing with their opinion on a view.

Also note how I say that I think it's broken. It's not a matter of fact. It's my opinion. I am very open to the fact that I could possibly be wrong here. However I just don't see the evidence that proves that this option can or can not possibly be broken and/or reversed somehow.

[PsychoBulk]

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Have SCEA or have SCEA not told you its not broken? They have.

Have you or have you not stated you think it is broken? You have.

You are therefore saying they are lying, because if you believe they are telling you the truth you cannot possibly say its broken.

Its not rocket science this

[davewins]

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Have SCEA or have SCEA not told you its not broken? They have.

Have you or have you not stated you think it is broken? You have.

You are therefore saying they are lying, because if you believe they are telling you the truth you cannot possibly say its broken.

Its not rocket science this

I think it's a matter of opinion. I don't think I am right and they are wrong. I think it's a matter of opinion. What don't you understand about this?? I don't think they are lying. I think they are stating their opinion on the issue. They came up with the answer that it is not broken based on tests. Tests performed by Brian.

If I thought they thought it wasn't broken and they were just coming on to cover something up then I would think they were lying. I think that they believe it isn't just like I believe it is. A matter of opinion!!

They told me how they came up with the answer. That's why I asked them the question. If they came up with the answer "no it is not broken" based on human tests when we have human tests seeing different things than how am I supposed to agree with them????????

Again, for the 100th time. I don't think they are lying I think they are stating their opinion which I disagree with.

I don't understand why you are honestly even in this thread at all. Besides arguing with me about thinking the dev's are lying what have you contributed to this comeback issue in this thread?? Nothing.