Question for scea about clutch

[countryboy]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...Albert Pujols & Ryan Ludwick both hit over 30 homers, drove in over 100 RBI's and both hit near or over .300 last year(Ludwick hit .299), which would you rather have batting in a big moment of a ball game.

Say, 2 on with 2 out and you trailing by 2 runs. Who would you rather have hit?

In my opinion clutch does exist in sports. Its what separates the elite players of any sport from the great players of any sport. Clutch is how you determine who doesn't "get caught up in the big moment", get tense, and who can stay focused and get the job done.

I mean, would you consider Michael Jordan clutch?

In regards to the Show...I ask that they don't remove it. Make it an opinon to turn on/off, but I truly hope they don't remove it.

[Jackdog]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...Albert Pujols & Ryan Ludwick both hit over 30 homers, drove in over 100 RBI's and both hit near or over .300 last year(Ludwick hit .299), which would you rather have batting in a big moment of a ball game.

Say, 2 on with 2 out and you trailing by 2 runs. Who would you rather have hit?

In my opinion clutch does exist in sports. Its what separates the elite players of any sport from the great players of any sport. Clutch is how you determine who doesn't "get caught up in the big moment", get tense, and who can stay focused and get the job done.

I mean, would you consider Michael Jordan clutch?

In regards to the Show...I ask that they don't remove it. Make it an opinon to turn on/off, but I truly hope they don't remove it.

Co-sign. I agree 100%.

[brunnoce]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...Albert Pujols & Ryan Ludwick both hit over 30 homers, drove in over 100 RBI's and both hit near or over .300 last year(Ludwick hit .299), which would you rather have batting in a big moment of a ball game.

Say, 2 on with 2 out and you trailing by 2 runs. Who would you rather have hit?

In my opinion clutch does exist in sports. Its what separates the elite players of any sport from the great players of any sport. Clutch is how you determine who doesn't "get caught up in the big moment", get tense, and who can stay focused and get the job done.

I mean, would you consider Michael Jordan clutch?

In regards to the Show...I ask that they don't remove it. Make it an opinon to turn on/off, but I truly hope they don't remove it.

id take Albert any day of the week, for the simple fact that he is a better hitter overal..nothing to do with clutch.

[countryboy]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

id take Albert any day of the week, for the simple fact that he is a better hitter overal..nothing to do with clutch.

Ok...what if for whatever reason...Albert is hitting .250 on the year and Ludwick is hitting over .300? Wouldn't you take Albert for the fact that you're more confident that he could get the big hit in that situation vs Ludwick?

Thats why I'd take him.

There are just certain players in any given sport that you want taking the last shot, up with potential game winning/tying situations etc...because they deliver.

Great hitters can fold in crucial situations and good hitters can be great in big moments. Stats play very little in clutch moments, because its more of a "talent" than anything, to be able to come through in big situations.

[brunnoce]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...what if for whatever reason...Albert is hitting .250 on the year and Ludwick is hitting over .300? Wouldn't you take Albert for the fact that you're more confident that he could get the big hit in that situation vs Ludwick?

in that case id take ludwick(if albert was really that cold to be hitting 250)...ill aways go with who is hotter atm...
just my opinion.

[countryboy]

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Ok...who would you rather have hitting in a clutch situation in the playoffs...Albert or A-Rod?

Anyways, as I said, I hope clutch stays as part of the attributes for players.

[brunnoce]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

probably the better way of asking would be...if Albert was hitting .250 and he was up with men on 2nd and 3rd, down 2 with 2 outs, would you feel confident that he could get the big hit?

I guess you could say yes because he's a great hitter, but to me, its because he's a "clutch" hitter that has history of coming up with the big hits.

Anyways, as I said, I hope clutch stays as part of the attributes for players.

id think that from any 330 career hitter(with more than 1 year in the league)...id say his chances are bigger on getting that hit becaus of his avr not because of clucth.

[brunnoce]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...who would you rather have hitting in a clutch situation in the playoffs...Albert or A-Rod?

Anyways, as I said, I hope clutch stays as part of the attributes for players.

albert, he has a higher avr and i think he is a better hitter overal than a-rod.

[JT30]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Ok...who would you rather have hitting in a clutch situation in the playoffs...Albert or A-Rod?

Anyways, as I said, I hope clutch stays as part of the attributes for players.

Interesting, so you believe clutch hitting is an actual skill? If that's the case wouldn't the same players do well in the "clutch statistics" year in and year out?

[countryboy]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Interesting, so you believe clutch hitting is an actual skill? If that's the case wouldn't the same players do well in the "clutch statistics" year in and year out?

Yes..I believe that clutch hitting is a skill, meaning that when things are on the line(end of game situations) they are more apt to come through for you vs some one else. Like I said, I believe clutch refers to players that can take on the pressure in end game situations and come through and not tense up, lose focus, or what have you.

And no, not necessarily to your second question. I view clutch more along the lines of a big situation, late in game, with something hanging in the balance. I'm not talking about bases loaded, 1st inning..clutch. I'm talking 7th inning on, coming up with the big hit in a big situation, to either put your team ahead or tie the game.

[chuckm1961]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Clutch Cargo.... there was a clutch guy.

[choadler]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

Clutch is more of a feeling to me and not sure that statistics can prove it out. All I know is that Robert Horry was a decent player, not great, but decent. Yet he hit some of the biggest shots ever in playoff basketball. To me, he is clutch.

On the other hand, Jeff Bagwell or Alex Rodriguez (both great hitters), have often sucked in important situations in the regular season and in the playoffs and such. To me, they have the feeling of not being very clutch.

I was an outstanding foul shooter in high school 75% to 80%, Could easily sit there and make 20 in a row. One time late in the game, the oppossing team recieved two technical fouls. I was sent in to take the foul shots. The pressure got to me and I missed them all. Plain and simple, I was not clutch.

[NCAAFootballFreak]

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What if clutch was presented a little more like this . . . ?

Some examples -- I realize there is more to "clutch" than simply batting with RISP, but it's just my example.

A -- a hitter with a power/contact rating of 90/86 and a clutch rating of 25 ends up batting .320 on the season, but only .240 with RISP.

*his low clutch rating causes a large negative deviation from his "normal" to his "clutch" average

B -- a hitter with a power/contact rating of 90/86 and a clutch rating of 90 ends up batting .320 on the season, and bats .350 with RISP.

*his high clutch rating causes his "clutch" average to be at or slightly higher than his "normal" average

C -- a hitter with a power/contact rating of 51/60 and a clutch rating of 25 ends up batting .261 on the season and bats only .214 with RISP.

*his low clutch rating causes his "clutch" average to be well below his "normal" average

D -- a hitter with a power/contact rating of 51/60 and a clutch rating of 90 ends up batting .261 on the season but hits .280 with RISP.

*His high clutch rating causes his "clutch" average to be at or above his "normal" batting average.

I think this would keep us from seeing the freak guy that bats .240 normally but has a massive .375 batting average in clutch situations. I think you're more likely to see whether a guy bats at his average or slightly higher in clutch situations vs. a guy who hits well below his normal average in clutch situations. I do think "clutch" should exist in sports games, but it's all in how it's represented.

I think a clutch rating somewhere between 75-90 should make a guy hit pretty close to his normal level and then 90-100 would make him hit beyond his "normal" level while a clutch rating at 50-74 would be slightly below his "normal" level and then 0-49 would mean the guy really cracks under pressure. That's just my take on it though.

Like I said, I think it should be implemented in games, but almost every way it's presented will have some kind of hole in it.

[JT30]

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How do you correlate clutch and RISP when the bases are loaded and you are up by 7 runs? There is no clutch there.

Clutch is an illusion.. simple as that. It cant be calculated and it cant be quantified. It should not be considered a rating or skill (so to speak) in this game because it probably skews other ratings.

Also, a player showing improved statistics in "clutch" situations is also not proof that clutch hitting exists, because random statistical variations can produce such occurrences.

And just because a player hits well with the bases loaded or with the game on the line or something to that effect may be in part because the other team's pitcher is not pitching well at that time, thus giving the batter a better-than-average chance for a hit in the first place. Furthermore, a pitcher may pitch differently with runners on (from "the stretch" rather than a full wind-up pitching motion), resulting in a strategic advantage for a batter.

[NCAAFootballFreak]

Re: Question for scea about clutch

How do you correlate clutch and RISP when the bases are loaded and you are up by 7 runs? There is no clutch there.

Clutch is an illusion.. simple as that. It cant be calculated and it cant be quantified. It should not be considered a rating or skill (so to speak) in this game because it probably skews other ratings.

Also, a player showing improved statistics in "clutch" situations is also not proof that clutch hitting exists, because random statistical variations can produce such occurrences.

And just because a player hits well with the bases loaded or with the game on the line or something to that effect may be in part because the other team's pitcher is not pitching well at that time, thus giving the batter a better-than-average chance for a hit in the first place. Furthermore, a pitcher may pitch differently with runners on (from "the stretch" rather than a full wind-up pitching motion), resulting in a strategic advantage for a batter.

Dude, I realize what you're saying and don't even necessarily disagree, but you must have missed this part of my post . . . But that's also why there's a "clutch" rating for pitchers.

Some examples -- I realize there is more to "clutch" than simply batting with RISP, but it's just my example.