Three Things MVP 05 Still Does Better

[Acedeck]

The hitting in MVP allowed you to control how you wanted to push/pull various pitches, but didn't allow you to aim where you wanted to swing. The same counter-argument could be made that it didn't allow precision with your swing, since controlling *where* you swing is equally as important as controlling how you swing.

MVP allowed you to uppercut, swing down, swing level, and push/pull pitches. It didn't let you actually aim where your bat swung. That's a huge fault in a swinging system, in my humble opinion. I'm not saying The Show gives you 100% control of your swing. I'm simply stating my point that MVP by no means contained 100% control, like the OP seems to imply.

[mwjr]

My biggest problem with MVP's owner mode is that your MLB team started out playing in what was essentially what was a minor leage stadium.

That just wasn't realistic at all, and I found it amazingly difficult to generate money to build it up.

And thos sim times. LORD, those sim times. It took forever to sim games if you were so inclined, as I usually was since I couldn't play every game.

That said, MVP was a fantastic game, and it's a shame that that such a revolutionary a game - a game that was on the precipice of something amazing, much like NFL 2K5 - was killed before it got going because of these stupid exclusive licenses.

[Crown42Royal]

Decent article.

[hydrostar]

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Just want to chime in and say that I also don't feel it was wise to post this article in this forum. This encourages the kind of arguments that the hard-working moderators try so hard to prevent. Not a very good idea.

[SFGiantsPBA]

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I think High Heat 2001, 2002 and 2003 was a better game then MVP but MVP added innovation to Baseball and for OP to call High Heat an arcade game is just wrong MVP was way more on the Arcade side of things then High Heat was.

I always thought of The Show as the best of the 2 games High Heat type of Sim with MVP Meters and such.

Anyone that knows anything about baseball will tell you nothing comes close to it like The Show and The Show is the only game that makes me see things on a real MLB game and say that's just like The Show.

I have been playing baseball games since I was a child and I'm 40 now and no game have I played was so Sim like the real thing as The Show none.

I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that.

MVP was a real fun time and I ran leagues with that game all year round with every MLB Version and had a blast but it don't even come close to The Show.

High Heat arcade my ***!

[bkrich83]

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I think High Heat 2001, 2002 and 2003 was a better game then MVP but MVP added innovation to Baseball and for OP to call High Heat an arcade game is just wrong MVP was way more on the Arcade side of things then High Heat was.

I always thought of The Show as the best of the 2 games High Heat type of Sim with MVP Meters and such.

Anyone that knows anything about baseball will tell you nothing comes close to it like The Show and The Show is the only game that makes me see things on a real MLB game and say that's just like The Show.

I have been playing baseball games since I was a child and I'm 40 now and no game have I played was so Sim like the real thing as The Show none.

I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that.

MVP was a real fun time and I ran leagues with that game all year round with every MLB Version and had a blast but it don't even come close to The Show.

High Heat arcade my ***!

Completely agree with all points.

[SFGiantsPBA]

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Completely agree with all points.

Thanks, anyone that knows anything about the games of this past decade knows nothing touched High Heat in it's era and no game played sim but High Heat and all the rest I mean all the rest where all arcade type games.

MVP was EA's attempt to get more sim an away from the total arcade Triple Play brought.

So when I read simple things like High Heat being arcade and hitting and pitching better in MVP then The Show I read from someone that really doesn't know WTF he is talking about.

[Yankees_CT]

This article blew my mind, MVP better then the show...and in hitting of all things!!! People really need to move on from MVP. I have the game, the PC game and I utilize all the tools at MVPmods and it still does not come close to the Show on any level. It was a great game for it's time and for people who do not like spending money on videogames every year, it is great that the community is keeping it fresh but to try and compare with the Show is insane. This, sorry, fanboy article should be in the MVP forum so everyone there can agree and mark out to it. Again, I was a big fan and still am of MVP but C'MON!!!

[~Guru~]

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this article does not even mention the other better things mvp did better. fielding was great and when you set it on manual...guess what it worked like it was advertised. you manually controlled the fielder

the show has a pathetic excuse of a fielding engine. complete joke

[k_bassuka]

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[quote=SFGiantsPBA;2039550806]
I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that.
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I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke).

Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB.

Just because this game is good for you (or you are not that good to beat the dumb CPU in the show) doesn't mean that is going to be the same for everyone else, I'm glad you and many others are getting your money's worth for some of us this game has too many unrealistic things tend to be repetitive and the big problem is that most of those issues were found since 07 and still they haven't attempt to fix them, too me that makes this game just good at best, and no I'm not going to play MVP 05 and I may give this game another try latter on but for now I'm putting this game away.

I believe that the Moderators were the ones that put this article in this thread, so bashing on the guy that wrote the article is not going to make it go away, if anything complain to the ones that place it here the Moderators.

[jim416]

I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke).

Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB.

Calling all moderators! Calling all moderators, lol. This isn't a MVP vs. Show thread?

If I was SCEA I'd be rethinking my relationship with this board. All the vile PMs they are getting from some people who have been allowed to call them out on things, and now this mess?

The game has bugs/glitches. This post above, not going there (again), but, come on. (note: report a post doesn't seem to work)

[ehh]

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The hitting in MVP allowed you to control how you wanted to push/pull various pitches, but didn't allow you to aim where you wanted to swing. The same counter-argument could be made that it didn't allow precision with your swing, since controlling *where* you swing is equally as important as controlling how you swing.

MVP allowed you to uppercut, swing down, swing level, and push/pull pitches. It didn't let you actually aim where your bat swung. That's a huge fault in a swinging system, in my humble opinion. I'm not saying The Show gives you 100% control of your swing. I'm simply stating my point that MVP by no means contained 100% control, like the OP seems to imply.

Actually it did let you aim your swing, that's a huge misconception with MVP. I've hit moon shot home runs while pressing down-and-away on the joystick and hitting a low-n-away curveball. I've pulled outside pitches for homers by pressing the stick to the right with a right-handed batter. Even read the instruction booklet, IIRC it tells you that's how the swing system works.

IMO the only downsides to MVP's hitting are:

1) Too easy to make contact
2) Can't hit pitches outside of the strike zone
3) Hit variety could be better but it's not bad (at least there are more doubles and triples than MLB '09)

[Knight165]

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[QUOTE=k_bassuka;2039551829]

I see the same things happen every day on TV that happen in the Show but MVP didn't give me that.
quote]

I never seen a fielder let the ball go through his legs for no with out even trying to catch the ball and not even call it an error, or a team go over a week without commiting an error, or base runners allow to advance to 2nd on a throw to cutoff 100% of the time, or low and outside balls being pull for monster HR, or left handed 1B play error less games at any other IF position, and many more unrealistic features on the MOST REALISTIC GAME EVER (what a joke).

Over 90 games and still haven't play a 1-0 or 2-1 game yet or struck out more than 3 times in a game or walk more than 3 batters in a game, and that's on Legend but "that happens all the time in baseball". I turned the human contact and power to 0 and still my team is hitting over .350 and I have 3 players over 50 HR and all of them over 15, just like in MLB.

Just because this game is good for you (or you are not that good to beat the dumb CPU in the show) doesn't mean that is going to be the same for everyone else, I'm glad you and many others are getting your money's worth for some of us this game has too many unrealistic things tend to be repetitive and the big problem is that most of those issues were found since 07 and still they haven't attempt to fix them, too me that makes this game just good at best, and no I'm not going to play MVP 05 and I may give this game another try latter on but for now I'm putting this game away.

I believe that the Moderators were the ones that put this article in this thread, so bashing on the guy that wrote the article is not going to make it go away, if anything complain to the ones that place it here the Moderators.

Wah!

Here are the three things that MVP does better.
1.It's on PC
2.It has an editor that works on a PC and...umm...hmm....
3. The fielding...the glorious fielding...the best fielding...THE FIELDING RULES IN MVP are you BLIND!!
(oh...forget that pre-fielding the pitching BLOWS!...yawn...rock back..throw a strike top right corner...rock back...throw a strike lower left corner....oh...I need to throw a ball...let me close my eyes and hold the controller with my feet!)
...but let's not get carried away.

Yes....there are parts of this game that need attention.....nobody is or can deny that....and in that context I guess this article is a nice diversion and a good read.

M.K.
Knight165

[steelcurtain311]

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Calling all moderators! Calling all moderators, lol. This isn't a MVP vs. Show thread?

If I was SCEA I'd be rethinking my relationship with this board. All the vile PMs they are getting from some people who have been allowed to call them out on things, and now this mess?

The game has bugs/glitches. This post above, not going there (again), but, come on. (note: report a post doesn't seem to work)

We should call moderators because of a guy's opinion? Not that I agree with what some of he's saying, but give me a break. Who cares if it's an MVP vs. MLB argument? That's kind of the idea of the thread. And forums in general.

The fact is, MVP still does do some stuff better. The hitting, I don't understand how people say is better. It's better because you can hit 80 HR's a season with average power guys? I think not. He's right about the outside the zone stuff in the Show, though. That's annoying at times. I hate it when I make perfect breaking pitches to the outside corner, yet they somehow get pulled for ridiculous HR's.

[jim416]

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We should call moderators because of a guy's opinion? Not that I agree with what some of he's saying, but give me a break. Who cares if it's an MVP vs. MLB argument? That's kind of the idea of the thread. And forums in general.

Nope. No 2k vs. The Show threads, no The Show vs. 2k threads. Watch me start one and watch a mod jump in and close it post haste. We've been told to use the post report icon. Not talking about this guy particularly, but again, this thread wasn't supposed to be a hit on SCEA and this poster definitely turned it into that, didn't he?

People can have all the opinions they want. I remember a couple years ago we were all told (warned) that it's a privilege to have the devs and SCEA on board. It is. We had to watch terms like "liars", yeah, seen it, etc., etc., etc. Now if you don't give a crap, I do, and the argument that they are big boys and can take care of themselves isn't the point either.

I'm just wondering what happened here, as many of us are. Maybe it's the site hit counter, I don't know.